Montreal still off limits to Americans -- any sense how the absence is affecting the market?

[Morris Wanchuk]

Restrictions are extended until September 21st.
I started a thread about how easy is it to sneek across the border? but mods wisely deleted it.
Supply and demand ... Ladies who want to
work still will make money from the natives. Watch the prices, price goes down , demand isn't there.
Are the colleges doing the remote zoom thing? So the transplanted art students aren't in Montreal either.

 

[edjohnson]

Restrictions are extended until September 21st.
I started a thread about how easy is it to sneek across the border? but mods wisely deleted it.
Supply and demand ... Ladies who want to
work still will make money from the natives. Watch the prices, price goes down , demand isn't there.
Are the colleges doing the remote zoom thing? So the transplanted art students aren't in Montreal either.

Morris, this just reminded me of something that happened to me several years ago. i was leaving montreal heading toward 89 South through Vermont and when I got close to the main border i veered off course (I think I was looking for a credit union near the border, it was either that or shortly after 9 11 and the lines were long so i might have been looking for a smaller border crossing anyway I was just driving along when all of a sudden I realized i was in the US. so I started looking in my rear view mirror as I was pretty scared I was in major trouble but I didnt get pulled over and I have no idea exactly where I was or how I did it.

 

[IamNY]

I always can’t sleep the night before I end up taking the flight to Quebec! Just this overwhelming sense of excitement, lol, especially around F1 time. I still have to make it out to Québec City......this pandemic sux balls

I‘ll sometimes head Straight to a massage parlor right from the airport with my luggage. So I can totally relate.

 

[luvdozer]

Fradi, you nailed it. I don’t think Montreal offers the incredible value for escorts as some suggest.

I generally stay in the $300-$350 range here in NNJ with most talent rivaling or exceeding Montreal escort quality, though the overall pool is significantly less. One hour in NNJ is a true 60 minutes of time, and I usually restrict myself to an hour, whereas in Montreal I usually go 90 minutes, and that mysteriously becomes 80 minutes or less with shower time.

OK but NYC and North Jersey is not the same as the rest of the USA. There is a huge range of variability depending on where in the USA one lives. Also, I think when we talk about value, it is not just about the price paid, but what you get for that price.

Here in Boston, most escorts are 350-400, but it there is a lot of mediocrity in that range. It is certainly possibly to find a beautiful escort who provides amazing service in that range, but they are not the majority of providers. Meanwhile, in Montreal, most agency girls are charging $200 USD and indy girls are charging $250 USD and most of the girls at the major agencies and MERB advertising indies are gorgeous and provide fantastic service. Finally and most importantly, no matter how cautious you are in the US, there is always some law enforcement risk. In Montreal, that risk is essentially zero.

So, I don't think of it as coming to Montreal to get the same escort experience that I get in Boston for a cheaper price. I think of it as coming to Montreal and paying essentially the same price as Boston (factoring in food lodging and fuel) but have the atmosphere of a kid alone in a toy store.

 

[Numerati]

Also don’t forget about the favorable exchange rate. That makes hobbying in Montreal a real bargain. When the exchange rate is great with $1500 to $2500 USD to spend for instance for a three day trip, you will be extremely satisfied.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

There are a couple of guys on Merb who claim to abstain while in the U.S., but I think they are very much the exception to the rule.

Waving my hand - I haven't been with a US escort in 5 years just not worth the hassle with the good review site shut down the high cost and few that I am attracted to and not willing to pay U.S. rates. And of course the US legal situation.

I had booked my long-overdue return to Montreal in April but of course, canceled. Been about 10 years since Montreal but go every year for about 20 years to Toronto except of course this year. I also do not want to take any COVID_19 risk but while saving lots of travel money am anxious to return to both Toronto and Monreal - but probably not till 2021!

I have a professional meeting twice postponed in Toronto now scheduled with a large group in December!!! I am hot in Phoenix but having lived in Minneapolis never thought I'd ever go to Canada in the winter when so nice here in Phoenix in the WINTER! . Now, when I want to escape, we are having record-breaking heat - beat by far the number of days over 110 and 115. So want to escape as I usually do to Canada (Toronto for decades) but we have this darn virus and our idiot Pres keeps us as one of the worst countries for it.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Patron - good comments. Just a word about here in AZ - many high-end gals have also been busted including a few years ago all the agencies with $400/hr prices were either busted and shut down as well all the local boards after AZ law passed that a board owner could be felony charged.

The Agencies were felony charged for criminal enterprise and then every transaction money laundering. Both owners and escorts faced decades in prison (escorts felony affiliation with a criminal enterprise). I have been in court reporting on cases where judges gave "Donald Advisement" that if they didn't take a plea they could face like 60 years in prison - often more than for 2nd-degree murder. Yes, it was possible since stacked charged and run consecutively. Most took plea deals for probation but felony records. A few owners went to prison.

Then we had LE on P411 who when arrested gals, LE took over their accounts and pretended to be the escort giving favorable references to undercovers, etc which Gina tried to hide.

So you are right I do not indulge in the US for these risks, and while AZ was ground zero for many years similar stings have happened in other cities. Today I agree its a bit more lower end since most of the high ends and agencies - like you avoid AZ.

BTW my little pet saying to Canadians that refer to the US as Americans separate from Canada. Canada is part of "America"so you are as "American" as we are in the US! My nerd side.

 

[sene5hos]

Thanks Dave in Phoenix, for giving us the truth. I was not aware of any of this.

I understand how lucky we are.

And sincerely for you, I hope that you can soon realize all your projects.

 

[chowzilla]

Well put Patron, I knew that was the case thank you for confirming it.

just the simple statistics of local sex driven canadians vs traveling sex driven americans doesn’t make sense that there are more americans. Canadians are just as horny, if not more cuz they have access to it

 

[transatlantic]

Patron - good comments. Just a word about here in AZ - many high-end gals have also been busted including a few years ago all the agencies with $400/hr prices were either busted and shut down as well all the local boards after AZ law passed that a board owner could be felony charged.

The Agencies were felony charged for criminal enterprise and then every transaction money laundering. Both owners and escorts faced decades in prison (escorts felony affiliation with a criminal enterprise). I have been in court reporting on cases where judges gave "Donald Advisement" that if they didn't take a plea they could face like 60 years in prison - often more than for 2nd-degree murder. Yes, it was possible since stacked charged and run consecutively. Most took plea deals for probation but felony records. A few owners went to prison.

Then we had LE on P411 who when arrested gals, LE took over their accounts and pretended to be the escort giving favorable references to undercovers, etc which Gina tried to hide.

So you are right I do not indulge in the US for these risks, and while AZ was ground zero for many years similar stings have happened in other cities. Today I agree its a bit more lower end since most of the high ends and agencies - like you avoid AZ.

BTW my little pet saying to Canadians that refer to the US as Americans separate from Canada. Canada is part of "America"so you are as "American" as we are in the US! My nerd side.

Same here. Used to hobby in Hotlanta and NNJ but it is risky and if you only do agencies, screening is a pain when your reference agencies are busted. Atlanta had great talent 5-10 years ago but LE shut down agencies with stings 2-3 years ago. The agency that got busted was my go to agency whenever I'm in town. They even had hidden cameras installed in the incalls. An district attorney got caught up in the bust had to resign. Agencies not involved closed up shop/went underground after that.

I haven't partake in the US for past 5 years. Only do so in Montreal or German FKKs. Americans are prohibited from entering either country probably for the rest of the year.

As I mentioned couple of times in MERB previously, you guys in Montreal don't know how good you guys have it.

 

[Mistral]

There is more in the US than just escorts. I did that scene a long time ago. Had fun. Now I have more options and have no interest.

Reasons: Cost, convenience, privacy and quality. They don't stack up enough to incentivize. But I guess it depends on your options.

The local clubs in my area that are able to do so have re-opened with outdoor seating under tents. Most of the time you drink and socialize with the girls and/or other patrons. Or just hang out. If you need to use the restroom you go inside. The private lap dance booths inside are also discretely available. Wide range of service available depending on the girl. Last week was quite good. Two club visits with service. And an overnight with former club girl now SB. Grand total for the week was $550 plus dinner/drinks.

Down here we call it ITC or OTC.