Totally false and already refuted thoroughly by the posts of Shijak earlier in this thread. I was going to provide my own rebuttal but Shijak already refuted this notion so thoroughly that anyone who keeps repeating this silly falsehood should be suspended (even though already suspended from reality).
Most famous ever Quebecer worldwide?
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Totally false and already refuted thoroughly by the posts of Shijak earlier in this thread. I was going to provide my own rebuttal but Shijak already refuted this notion so thoroughly that anyone who keeps repeating this silly falsehood should be suspended (even though already suspended from reality).
EB, while in other threads I have a lot of respect for your contributions, the way you are treating this subject matter baffles mes.
Let's correct some misconceptions: I doubt that Shatner speaks better French than shijak, protagroas or myself. Imagine for a second that English is my second language and you will have an idea of my proficiency in French. I have never judged him on his looks or native language, and have been a Star Trek fanatic since day one.
Why do you need to introduce (wrongly) assumed prejudice into this? What will it achieve except resentment? As I stated before, this hammering of yours on assumed prejudice is starting to sounds like a prejudice in and of itself.
Like I said before, I only learned recently that he was born in Montreal. Big deal! He has always been flogged as a "famous Canadian". When you look at famous Idahoans worldwide they are billed as Americans, not Idahoans.
There may be lack of knowledge here in Québec about Shatner's province of birth, but I assure you that has nothing to do with his language and-or religion as you have been insisting multiple times in this thread for ... reasons. I am a proud Canadian and always was proud that he is a fellow Canadian.
I also thought this thread was asking people what they thought. You are entitled to state your opinion as to who you think fits your bill for the question asked, but why not treat other people's opinion on the matter with a dose of respect? Please?
It is clear you favour Shatner over others. Cool! Others prefer others. Cool!
sapman,
I have stated the truth and even Guido seconded my opinion on this. The lack of knowledge stems from the perception that Shatner is not a Quebecer and I have already stated what are the reasons for this and Guido seconded this. The reason people have not voted for Shatner is lack of knowledge and embedded into that is also a lack of respect. You have even admitted your own lack of knowledge as to Shatner being born and raised and educated in Montreal and as to his Judaism. I suspect that most other posters know less than you do about the man, his life, his accomplishments and his origins.
Also, how do you know that your French is better than Shatner's? That is total speculation on your part. I will bet that Shatner can speak as good or better French than anyone in this thread and that bet is more solid than Joe.T's NFL picks last Sunday.
I have stated the truth and even Guido seconded my opinion on this. The lack of knowledge stems from the perception that Shatner is not a Quebecer and I have already stated what are the reasons for this and Guido seconded this. The reason people have not voted for Shatner is lack of knowledge and embedded into that is also a lack of respect. You have even admitted your own lack of knowledge as to Shatner being born and raised and educated in Montreal and as to his Judaism. I suspect that most other posters know less than you do about the man, his life, his accomplishments and his origins.
Also, how do you know that your French is better than Shatner's? That is total speculation on your part. I will bet that Shatner can speak as good or better French than anyone in this thread and that bet is more solid than Joe.T's NFL picks last Sunday.
sapman,
Here is an interview in which Shatner said he learned French by osmosis on the streets of Montreal and most of his friends growing up were French:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxvlCHS5jw
Go to about the 5:20 mark.
Here is an interview in which Shatner said he learned French by osmosis on the streets of Montreal and most of his friends growing up were French:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxvlCHS5jw
Go to about the 5:20 mark.
Ok, so I have admitted I didn't know he is a Jew, therefore it cannot be religious discrimination, now can it?
Guido of the well-known opinions... what a stellar supporter. I am glad you said "even Guido".
This is how I know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zHBymwRxE&feature=related go to 04:30. You're the one who said Shatner probably spoke better French than us. Don't ask me why you said that, but it begged a reply.
Here is Shatner addressing students at McGill University in both French and English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zHBymwRxE
He can speak a lot better than wwhat he said there as is made known in the other video I posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zHBymwRxE
He can speak a lot better than wwhat he said there as is made known in the other video I posted.
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Link again please? This McGill 5-word thing shows his French to be laborious at best.
see post #116
By the ways has McGill ever awarded Celine Dion with an Honorary Doctorate?
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My intent here is not to pour more oil on the fire but, let's be honest, I think that Donald Sutherland (not a Quebecer) is - in as sense - more a Quebecer than Shatner.
Sutherland was born and raised in New Brunswick/Nova Scotia. No real connection to Quebec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sutherland There is simply no factual basis for your statement. He owns a home in Quebec but so do other people who are not considered Quebecers. Shatner is born and bred even though many do not seem to know or understand he grew up on the streets of Montreal and learned French by "osmosis" on the streets of Montreal.
Sutherland was born in Saint John, New Brunswick, the son of Dorothy Isobel (née McNichol; 1892–1956) and Frederick McLea Sutherland (1894–1983), who worked in sales and ran the local gas, electricity, and bus company.[1][3] His ancestry is Scottish. As a child he battled rheumatic fever, hepatitis and poliomyelitis.[4] His teenage years were spent in Nova Scotia,[5] and he got his first part time job at age 14 as a news correspondent for local radio station CKBW in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia. He then studied at Victoria College, University of Toronto, where he met his first wife Lois Hardwick (not the child star of the same name), and graduated with a double major in engineering and drama. He had at one point been a member of the "UC Follies" comedy troupe in Toronto. He changed his mind about becoming an engineer, and subsequently left Canada for England in 1957,[6] studying at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art.
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Most of the talk here has focused on Shatner and Celine.
I think an argument can be made for both Gilles Villeneuve and Pierre Trudeau. Villeneuve is a legend in a very popular, international sport, and is attached to the Ferrari name, which in itself is one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Heck, there is a statue of Gilles at the Ferrari factory, the only statue of any driver at the factory, which is visited by a countless number of people from all over the world every year. Of course, Trudeau is very well known as well - I just don't know how much his popularity extends beyond Quebec and Canada......
I think an argument can be made for both Gilles Villeneuve and Pierre Trudeau. Villeneuve is a legend in a very popular, international sport, and is attached to the Ferrari name, which in itself is one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Heck, there is a statue of Gilles at the Ferrari factory, the only statue of any driver at the factory, which is visited by a countless number of people from all over the world every year. Of course, Trudeau is very well known as well - I just don't know how much his popularity extends beyond Quebec and Canada......
EB,
You are hurting your own case. Two members on a sex board agree on an opinion so YOU must be right. C'mon, as a professional who should know the value of opinions in proving anything it's surrealistic that you cling to that as corroboration for your case. Three or four people had the 100% opinion Romney would win in a landslide sweeping all swing states. How did that work out.
Now you cite Joe.t??? I didn't know you went for hard liquor before 10:00 am. Then you keep whining about how we are offending Shatner's Judaism. It sounds like you are crying over some kind of failure of Affirmative Action. Not one person as shown any disrespect to Shatner as either an Anglo or a Jewish person, except maybe you as you continue to act like you're campaigning for minority rights where it's not in question. You must think Shatner's case is weak if you are going to keep playing this ugly anti-Semitic card you insist on. OH WAIT...only you understand the issues..blah diddy blah.
The case for Celine Dion:
Celine Dion net worth $400 million in 22 years.
William Shatner net worth $300 million in 55 years.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/celine-dion-net-worth/
Celine Dion net worth: Celine Dion is a Canadian singer, actress, songwriter, and entrepreneur who has an estimated net worth of $400 million dollars. Dion is known for her powerful, technically skilled vocals. As a child Celine Dion dreamed of being a performer, emerging as a teen star in the French-speaking world after Rene Angelil, her manager and future husband, mortgaged his home in order to finance her first record. In the 1990s Dion achieved worldwide fame after signing with Epic Records, becoming one of the most successful artists in pop music history. Dion’s international breakthrough began in 1991 with Disney’s animated film Beauty and the Beast when she duetted with Peabo Bryson on the title track of the film.
Celine Dion Net Worth Explodes:
By the mid-1990s, Dion established herself as one of the best-selling musical artists in the world. Dion’s Let’s Talk About Love album (1997) reached major success featuring the movie Titanic’s theme My Heart Will Go On, becaming Dion’s signature song. My Heart Will Go On won the 1997 Academy Award and Golden Globe for Best Original Song for Dion, as well as winning Dion two Grammy awards for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance and the coveted Record of the Year award. Dion’s music has been influenced by genres ranging from R&B to gospel to rock and classical, often receiving mixed critical reaction. According to Sony Music, Celine Dion has sold over 200 million albums, worldwide.
Celine Dion net worth – Artist of the Decade:
Between 2000 and 2010 Celine Dion was the highest grossing entertainer in the world. When you add up ticket sales, record sales, merchandise and every other source of income, Celine grossed over $720 million! Of that amount $500 million came from worldwide ticket sales. Of that $500 million, $350 million came from her Las Vegas show alone.
BTW...Joe DOH is 3 of 13 in the last 3 weeks. If you are serious about relying on a guy who is hitting .230 on his choices...have another shot of Jack.
Cheers,
Merlot
A strange debate going on here. I'll weigh in.
It's hard to say for sure, but I suspect that if you poll all 7 billion or so people in the world, that Celine Dion would be more well known. Titanic has been watched by probably more than a billion people worldwide and her song is the theme to that movie.
I think Celine's name and music are more recognizable worldwide than Shatner's name or image. I don't have any solid evidence, but this is my feeling.
It's hard to say for sure, but I suspect that if you poll all 7 billion or so people in the world, that Celine Dion would be more well known. Titanic has been watched by probably more than a billion people worldwide and her song is the theme to that movie.
I think Celine's name and music are more recognizable worldwide than Shatner's name or image. I don't have any solid evidence, but this is my feeling.
Sutherland has several emotional ties with Quebec.
He ownes a summer house in the Eastern township, he was a Montreal expo fan and he was once married to a Quebecer (a French Canadian).
There are several ways to belong to a country: Blut und Boden were the main criteria in Nazy Germany: Blood and Soil. Legally, Shatner is a Quebecer if we take into consideration his brithplace.
There is another critera than can link a person to a culture: elective affinities (to paraphrase Goethe) or affective affinities. In this sense Sutherland is more Quebecer than Shatner because he expressed several times his admiration and love for Québec (and its French Culture).
He ownes a summer house in the Eastern township, he was a Montreal expo fan and he was once married to a Quebecer (a French Canadian).
There are several ways to belong to a country: Blut und Boden were the main criteria in Nazy Germany: Blood and Soil. Legally, Shatner is a Quebecer if we take into consideration his brithplace.
There is another critera than can link a person to a culture: elective affinities (to paraphrase Goethe) or affective affinities. In this sense Sutherland is more Quebecer than Shatner because he expressed several times his admiration and love for Québec (and its French Culture).
Merlot,
As was already mentioned in this thread Shatner is worth far more than Celine because of his Priceline shares which were estimated to be $600 million but are now probably $900 million due to the PL purchase of Kayak. To those who wonder if Shatner cashed out, he would not have gone back to PL when their stock dropped if he did.
Please follow the thread because all this has been discussed.
I mentioned Shatner's Anglophonism and Judaism as reasons why people don't look at him and say "he is one of us." Nothing more nor less. It's a fact if you read the totality of the thread. He is a Quebecer but people within Quebec either don't know it or don't see him that way. They do see Celine as one of their own, but they don't see William Shatner that way. It is what it is.
But the thread is about worldwide popularity, not within Quebec.
Also if you know he battled the Clantons surely you know the scope of his popularity? Are you arguing against it or for it?
As was already mentioned in this thread Shatner is worth far more than Celine because of his Priceline shares which were estimated to be $600 million but are now probably $900 million due to the PL purchase of Kayak. To those who wonder if Shatner cashed out, he would not have gone back to PL when their stock dropped if he did.
Please follow the thread because all this has been discussed.
I mentioned Shatner's Anglophonism and Judaism as reasons why people don't look at him and say "he is one of us." Nothing more nor less. It's a fact if you read the totality of the thread. He is a Quebecer but people within Quebec either don't know it or don't see him that way. They do see Celine as one of their own, but they don't see William Shatner that way. It is what it is.
But the thread is about worldwide popularity, not within Quebec.
Also if you know he battled the Clantons surely you know the scope of his popularity? Are you arguing against it or for it?
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Do you know how many people have watched the Star Trek TV series, and the 7 Star Trek films he made, in total (that is not counting viewership of TJ Hooker, Boston Legal, PL commercials etc.)? I am guessing more and I think my guess is better than yours.
Don't worry about sapman Guido you were bang on and not fearful of speaking the truth no matter how politically incorrect it might be. You have high respect from me.
I think this is the only mention of Mordecai Richler - and only with a ? and linked to Mom Boucher, for God's sake!
if "famous" means well known and popular, then the light fluff represented by Shatner and Dion (Celine not Stephane) trumps any serious contenders. However, if a lifetime of writing serious, critically acclaimed works (fiction and non-fiction, some made into successful movies) with an international following counts for anything, then Mordecai deserves to be in the running.
Interestingly, everything EB said about William Shatner's ethnicity etc. applies to Mordecai ten times over. The French Quebecois hate and detest him because he is an English Jew who dared to take on and criticize the sacred cows of Quebec nationalism and separatism in a piece he wrote in the New Yorker. In Quebec, the English aren't allowed to criticize the mothership, and certainly not in the foreign press.
For all of those reasons, he gets my vote.
sinbad
And you are correct. Regarding Shatner's disclaimer on the rumor that his PL shares are worth $600 million, do you really believe he would post a serious statement about his own personal wealth on twitter? The man is a comic actor and his public statements are mostly of a comedic nature.
We know Shatner did not sell his PL shares. We know this because when their stock dropped precipitously after they killed off his pitchman character, they asked him to come back and he came running back, although at 82 years old and worth $300 million he clearly has better things to do with himself. He was protecting his investment. And it is well protected in light of PL's purchase of Kayak for $1.8 billion.
Shatner could easily buy Celine out of everything she has if he redeems those shares today. He is likely going to give it all to his very lucky heirs who did nothing to earn those monies. Would you rather be Shatner's long lost nephew or Celine's, Merlot? Don't take too long to answer.
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