ehm... what?
what possible difference does any of that make?The rationale is just getting weirder as we go along.
New members, lurkers, fake engagement, reviews.
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what possible difference does any of that make?The rationale is just getting weirder as we go along.
Omg Valentina!This message goes out to all users & mods. I hope you’re all doing great!
I will be inviting new people to sign up to MERB (just as I’ve coached many SPs / help build their profiles here).
Expect to see reviews from “new members” soon - be it for myself or other wonderful SPs ♥
I’m trying to get people off of the fast food sites (like LL) and comelol participate on this forum.
There’s wayyyyyy too many people who don’t know about MERB, TERB, PERB. This creates many missed opportunities for reviews that don’t end up being documented!
I don’t know if some members are aware, but we SPs pay to be here. Not to mention the add-ons we want as features. Many of us are passionate and take pride in our job!

To the lurkers out there, I really do love you all but please help us SPs out by leaving reviews & interacting from time to time. There’s a lot of fake engagement out there, it would help ALL OF US SPs. Especially in times of a “contest” lol. Which should be authentic and not coerced.
Thank you, and wishing you all the breast!
-Val ♥
As an SP. I thank you @Valentina ♥️
So refreshing to see you say shit like this . This is why it’s unmotivating to use MERB at times .
How. Do you not see? Respectfully.
Anyways. I really do not take our back and forth to heart. I know we disagree
. If anything your analogies made me laugh.
Hahaha listen. The school of MERB is not only up to us SPs to do better. Anyways. Have a great day everyone.
I understand your point but lurkers may look for the forum online and not contribute either way while people who came from SPs may give positivite reviews of their sponsor (to use your words) but they also might stay and give mixed reviews of others SPs.
The thing is we don't know a lot about the users/posters/lurkers so we assume behavior that may or may not be true.
If i understand your point correctly, you'd rather have a small community of dedicated users who would write honest reviews; while i think it's more of a number game, many users means a better chance of having reviews, granted there will also be a lot of garbage with the latest scenario.
Since we don't have any idea of users profiles and behaviors (which is probably a good thing
, there's no way to know which is which.
Oh yeah and they didn’t even put you in the contest either! LMAO.
I would have agreed with you 15 years ago, but there are some members on this board who are always posting in the political threads but I have not read a review from these members in years. One banned member was constantly trolling if you posted a Liberal bashing post but never a review of any aspect of the sex trade. Initially the reviews is what brought us here, in my case when I was young and started frequenting stripclubs, in my quest to seek new high mileage stripclubs is how I landed on this board.
No, that's not what I was getting at and maybe I expressed it badly, or it's too scattered over the thread. Of course I would love a large group of honest reviewers, but that's never going to happen here because of nature of this particular board. We all know there is dishonesty, disinformation, and let's call them "promotional reviews" on the board. We all know it's there but it's what I'll call a tolerable amount of dishonesty, tolerable because we know it's there and we return anyway, so there is some implicit acceptance of it. What's being proposed by having the SPs bring in their pet reviewers is to increase that level of dishonesty at best, or to channel and institutionalize it at worst. I'm not looking to clean anything up, I'd just like it not to get worse by building in a selection bias intoI understand your point but lurkers may look for the forum online and not contribute either way while people who came from SPs may give positivite reviews of their sponsor (to use your words) but they also might stay and give mixed reviews of others SPs.
The thing is we don't know a lot about the users/posters/lurkers so we assume behavior that may or may not be true.
If i understand your point correctly, you'd rather have a small community of dedicated users who would write honest reviews; while i think it's more of a number game, many users means a better chance of having reviews, granted there will also be a lot of garbage with the latest scenario.
Since we don't have any idea of users profiles and behaviors (which is probably a good thing
the review process.
There are long term implications to this that can negatively affect the SPs too, in that if all reviews of board supporters are viewed as inherently unreliable then those that don't already avoid seeing board SPs (yes, there are some, unfortunately) could turn to the obvious solution of only seeing women whose reviews might be credible, which is to say, everyone else. That's probably a longer time horizon down the road though. A much more likely scenario, and I've seen this on several other boards, is that the more experienced guys who have all the good information go underground, only using DMs, or leave, and that leaves the blind leading the blind. There's a fair amount of that here already, almost a secondary board within a board. Eventually bad info and non regular posters leads to less activity and that leads to less eyeballs, and then the swirling sound you here is the board going round and round the drain. This site depends on eyeballs.
that's why I said they may or may not use that stuff aftwerwards, but it's not what brought them here in the first place. Nobody came to MERB initially because they were looking for rousing political discussion. What they stay for is of course up to them.
I think at the root of the debate is an SP encouraging clients to give reviews is considered shilling by most.
It may not be what was initially proposed or intended, but will get taken that way.
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I don't think you have to look too hard to interpret or extrapolate the motive..Look at the early posts (1,5,12) where the directly stated intention is to put up positive reviews specifically to boost the SPs and to give the SPs more positive recognition. I mean, you can call it whatever term you want, but.....
I tried to think back to my own introduction to MERB and actually, it came from what began as a chat room in 2002, before MERB existed, when some of you were probably still drinking your mothers' tittie milk. Before MERB existed, there was a board called TBD (The Big Doggie). I went on the The Big Doggie, hoping to learn about the Montreal scene, because I had used it to gain intel on the New York and Connecticut scenes I then frequented.
On TBD, I learned about a chat room hosted by the poster some of you know now as "Doc Holliday." Doc Holliday hosted a private chat room, which was called Doc Holliday's Saloon. It was a private chat room frequented by around 10 or so posters who had names like Cool Amadeus, AlexK, Trev, Trailrunner 66 and some others I am not remembering. This was around summer of 2002.
At that time in Doc Holliday's Saloon, most of the guys were Canadians, and they told me that a review board Czar named Fred Zed, who operated in Toronto and owned a board called TERB, was creating a board for the Montreal market called MERB. I believe the board started in May 2003.
The guys in Doc's chatroom were all big time regulars on the Montreal scene and they soon became the early regular posters on MERB. I remember a few others as well, who are now long gone. I remember one poster named "Alfie" who posted only on massage parlors and he wrote extremely detailed, witty reviews which I enjoyed reading. I am not sure if he is still around but he was for a long time. I would consider him, and Ben Crane, Cool Amadeus, and Doc Holliday among the "Founding Fathers" of MERB. I was at that time something of a newbie to the Montreal scene, although not to the scene in the USA.
The board was in fact plagued by shills in its early days, and there were times when new posters were met with lots of questions and were turned off by it.
I think over time Moderators developed IT tools to catch shills and duplicate handles or those who promote BBFS, and those tools enabled better cleansing of board content.
I think most people do come here based on word of mouth. Many SPs I saw mentioned MERB to me and would ask if I would post a review. I would ask if they wanted me to and some said NO! Mainly for privacy reasons. I personally never let someone asking me to write a review to dictate whether I did so. I would only do it if I felt like it. And if an SP said no review, I would not write one. Many didn't want reviews. Some found them vulgar, and others found them to be invasive of their privacy.
On TBD, I learned about a chat room hosted by the poster some of you know now as "Doc Holliday." Doc Holliday hosted a private chat room, which was called Doc Holliday's Saloon. It was a private chat room frequented by around 10 or so posters who had names like Cool Amadeus, AlexK, Trev, Trailrunner 66 and some others I am not remembering. This was around summer of 2002.
At that time in Doc Holliday's Saloon, most of the guys were Canadians, and they told me that a review board Czar named Fred Zed, who operated in Toronto and owned a board called TERB, was creating a board for the Montreal market called MERB. I believe the board started in May 2003.
The guys in Doc's chatroom were all big time regulars on the Montreal scene and they soon became the early regular posters on MERB. I remember a few others as well, who are now long gone. I remember one poster named "Alfie" who posted only on massage parlors and he wrote extremely detailed, witty reviews which I enjoyed reading. I am not sure if he is still around but he was for a long time. I would consider him, and Ben Crane, Cool Amadeus, and Doc Holliday among the "Founding Fathers" of MERB. I was at that time something of a newbie to the Montreal scene, although not to the scene in the USA.
The board was in fact plagued by shills in its early days, and there were times when new posters were met with lots of questions and were turned off by it.
I think over time Moderators developed IT tools to catch shills and duplicate handles or those who promote BBFS, and those tools enabled better cleansing of board content.
I think most people do come here based on word of mouth. Many SPs I saw mentioned MERB to me and would ask if I would post a review. I would ask if they wanted me to and some said NO! Mainly for privacy reasons. I personally never let someone asking me to write a review to dictate whether I did so. I would only do it if I felt like it. And if an SP said no review, I would not write one. Many didn't want reviews. Some found them vulgar, and others found them to be invasive of their privacy.
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I’ve always wanted a backstory on MERB I find it fkn fun and interesting to see how it came about.
I am 100% legit. However easily swayed at sometimes not objective or critical enough.
I like posting reviews, and if the SP knows about Merb and I find the experience favorable, I'll post, else remain silent.
For MP's, some 12 years ago I told the MP manager about Merb, and how she could use the reviews to weed out the not-so-great girls or improve them, and how some interaction & publicity on the site would be a positive thing.
Instead she printed all the 12+ pages on her MP thread, had all the girls read it, and they went ballistic. Got me banned from all the Russian operated West-Island places, my favorite MP chewed me out. Even though everyone said positive reviews about her, nothing negative.
It's like they banded together and were upset at all of us. I deleted my posts soon after, even though I never said a single negative thing about any of them (at that particular MP place).
Was quite the wake-up call lol. Some old timers here will remember that story.
So now I only mention Merb to SPs that should know about it already. Actually I see "fake" merb positive reviews captured on their phones posted on LL occasionally.
I like posting reviews, and if the SP knows about Merb and I find the experience favorable, I'll post, else remain silent.
For MP's, some 12 years ago I told the MP manager about Merb, and how she could use the reviews to weed out the not-so-great girls or improve them, and how some interaction & publicity on the site would be a positive thing.
Instead she printed all the 12+ pages on her MP thread, had all the girls read it, and they went ballistic. Got me banned from all the Russian operated West-Island places, my favorite MP chewed me out. Even though everyone said positive reviews about her, nothing negative.
It's like they banded together and were upset at all of us. I deleted my posts soon after, even though I never said a single negative thing about any of them (at that particular MP place).
Was quite the wake-up call lol. Some old timers here will remember that story.
So now I only mention Merb to SPs that should know about it already. Actually I see "fake" merb positive reviews captured on their phones posted on LL occasionally.
Here’s a meme I made in regards to the reviews topic being discredited :
That’s WILD.
I totally get some women don’t wanna be reviewed and have a DNR policy. But. lol. That’s a bit much she went and did that.
It’s just to be expected to get feedback on your service if allowed of course. This is why we’re here.
I don’t invite bullying or disparaging comments at all - I’ve seen people gang up on girls and ruin their reputation because they’re unhappy clients. The telephone game starts and lies commence.
This happened to me and I had no idea about it until someone nice enough pointed it out - and I was fkn devastated about it at first… it took me a solid couple of months to feel good again. I felt like I needed to be PERFECT 10/10 NO STRAY HAIR. NO WRINKLE. Like every move was calculated in my safe space of work.
It can get out of hand real quickly. Some girls go into deep depressions. (Lots of that in the porn industry - the girls just can’t take the rumours / negative comments anymore and they off themselves / have problems)
In a client’s POV: I wouldn’t review a girl if I didn’t like her. That’s all.
However it’s always appreciated to highlight positive experiences. That’s what keeps a review board fresh and motivating for both the SP and clients.
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I enjoy this post a lot I've had similar experiences and often feel really uncomfortable by some comments that are made here. I'm not here to make anyone angry but I agree with a lot of what Valentina says.
I don't think we can force anyone to participate in the forum.. A lot of clients have told me they were pretty uncomfortable participating here, or they just don't have the time and energy to do so.. But I feel like it's unfair to discredit reviews just because a client just made their account or has few posts. Unless it's the SP herself or someone who has different accounts making a ton of reviews for the same person, I don't think these reviews count as ''shilling''. I encourage clients to leave reviews if they had positive experiences with me, and some of them gladly did it, but some just didn't have the time for it and that is ok.
I can totally see why someone would get a negative review if the client was put in a very uncomfortable position (for example, the person's boyfriend being present in another room, or the person using fake photos) .. otherwise I think if I was in the client's place and had a negative experience with a SP and really wanted to write a review about it, I would be very careful with the words I'm using. Ganging up on someone and sharing very negative info about a person can also put them in danger, literally.
I've had similar experiences and often feel really uncomfortable by some comments that are made here. I'm not here to make anyone angry but I agree with a lot of what Valentina says.I don't think we can force anyone to participate in the forum.. A lot of clients have told me they were pretty uncomfortable participating here, or they just don't have the time and energy to do so.. But I feel like it's unfair to discredit reviews just because a client just made their account or has few posts. Unless it's the SP herself or someone who has different accounts making a ton of reviews for the same person, I don't think these reviews count as ''shilling''. I encourage clients to leave reviews if they had positive experiences with me, and some of them gladly did it, but some just didn't have the time for it and that is ok.
This is brilliant and honestly this is kinda how I feel about reviews.. Before joining MERB and paying to advertise here, I had a lot of clients even if my review thread was super messy and full of people commenting even if they had never met me or talked to me. My clientele is even better now thanks to this forum, but like I've mentioned on other threads, most of my clients are lurkers and I don't blame them for it at all. There also isn't a standard of how a review should be written and I think that it's unfair that if a client compliments a SP a lot it's seen as ''unrealistic'', but when we get dehumanized in reviews being rated from 0 to 10 and insulted on our looks and personalities those reviews get seen as relevant?
AGREED 100%. This type of bullying and spreading rumours and trying to ruin a person's reputation isn't acceptable.
I can totally see why someone would get a negative review if the client was put in a very uncomfortable position (for example, the person's boyfriend being present in another room, or the person using fake photos) .. otherwise I think if I was in the client's place and had a negative experience with a SP and really wanted to write a review about it, I would be very careful with the words I'm using. Ganging up on someone and sharing very negative info about a person can also put them in danger, literally.
Abso-freakin-lutely!
I’d also like to know to avoid a SP if she keeps her kid barricaded in the next room lmao. The stories we’ve all heard hahaha. Nucking futs!
Thank you @Lunaseraphim ♥️ for your input it’s always well appreciated! You add lots of great points like the safety concerns also.
Of course! Obviously I try to put myself in the client's place too, and I know certain things are not acceptable. However the relationships between clients and SP's can vary so much because people have different tastes and personalities, sometimes somebody can be working but not doing well (which isn't an excuse to be rude of course, but it can happen).. Reviews can't be objective, or at least not 100%, whether they are positive or negative.
It can be difficult to navigate the review system for us, so I understand why you would want to encourage lurkers who have positive experiences with us to leave good comments even if they are brief. But I also think that people don't want to talk about private experiences online, and it can be quite uncomfortable to read your own reviews even if they are positive and it can leave you feeling exposed. I still DO want good reviews but I also can't twist anybody's arm to write one.
I think there is only 3 or 4 SPs/MPs that can associate my face to my merb handle. As a SW you might never know who I am, even if we have met and I did posted a review.
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