Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[LeDodo]

In all due respect, you lack a bit of curiosity.

Maybe I am too curious or the lady I saw in a agency was comfortable with me but I did learn most of that rather quickly. Saw her a few times only ...

 

[hankiepankie]

To think they will go after phone numbers in XO database is beyond paranoiac, the penalty for the crime of being a "John" is too small to go after guys not caugh "pants down"; from a LE point of view lots of effort for little reward. If this was a pedo ring, then that is a different story

Reasons to worry go beyond criminal liability. People were arrested and there might be a trial. Who knows what the prosecutors will submit as evidence. We know they have all the numbers and if they are used in the trial they become part of the public record

 

[interferon]

I've only used an agency once many years ago and the exp was Ok but very businesslike. I'm glad now about my decision to see indys only now that I'm seeing in this thread the kind of coersion that goes on with agencies. I really like & admire independant women in general and I like the idea of seeing a woman who is her own boss.

 

[Matos]

So is that mean that police can fake to be a fake neighbour and make a complaint ?

What s wrong ... If they really want to eradicate prostitution world wide ... They have to take off all prostitution in Movies ... Series ... Books ...

How many series about that topic ... Spartacus = Full Prostition to Slave ... Diary of a Callgirl ... Girlfriend Experience .... Pretty Woman ... the list is long !

Why are they putting their dirty hand between 2 adult consents ? These people gonna pay a lot after their death ... i garante you ...

And more they gonna try to forbid it, more Chaos will follow ! Is that what they want ? Don t they understand how the Human Body and Behavior according to it works ?

This is not a good news !

Remember police officer can lie ... it s part of their job ... police officers are and always have been New World Order Dogs ...

 

[LC18]

So is that mean that police can fake to be a fake neighbour and make a complaint ?

What s wrong ... If they really want to eradicate prostitution world wide ... They have to take off all prostitution in Movies ... Series ... Books ...

How many series about that topic ... Spartacus = Full Prostition to Slave ... Diary of a Callgirl ... Girlfriend Experience .... Pretty Woman ... the list is long !

Why are they putting their dirty hand between 2 adult consents ? These people gonna pay a lot after their death ... i garante you ...

And more they gonna try to forbid it, more Chaos will follow ! Is that what they want ? Don t they understand how the Human Body and Behavior according to it works ?

This is not a good news !

Remember police officer can lie ... it s part of their job ... police officers are and always have been New World Order Dogs ...

Un peu hors sujet non?

 

[maladras]

Why are they putting their dirty hand between 2 adult consents ?

Well, at least one of them wasn't an adult for starters.

The rest of what you wrote... dude, go outside. You've had enough internet for this week.

 

[Flabert]

This.

Now I wish we could all have some thoughts for girls who were abused and assaulted and coerced in these work environments... none of us will be impacted by this. A lot of these girls are still working elsewhere and still have the trauma of whatever happened when they were at these places. It's not hard to understand that an optimal service can't be given under these circumstances..

Worrying for one group of people (clients’ wellbeing) does not mean not worrying about another (providers’ wellbeing)

Especially since the risk of arrest has shifted to clients

Nobody supports 17 year olds in this. If true it would be horrible but sadly it can also be a pretext because it is so clearly despicable…

 

[LC18]

Worrying for one group of people (clients’ wellbeing) does not mean not worrying about another (providers’ wellbeing)

Especially since the risk of arrest has shifted to clients

Nobody supports 17 year olds in this. If true it would be horrible but sadly it can also be a pretext because it is so clearly despicable…

I personally wasnt talking about that, it's clear everyone is upset at the minor working there situation. I am uncomfortable with the replies hinting that the agency did nothing wrong by charging late and cancellation fees to the women. Especially knowing they will replace them with someone else and won't lose a dime

 

[Matos]

Well, at least one of them wasn't an adult for starters.

The rest of what you wrote... dude, go outside. You've had enough internet for this week.

I agree and i am for youth protection .. but just how police can work their things trough it and what it could result after that ... make me scared of the future


@LC18 : J étais sous l émotion et je trouve que cela a un lien avec le sujet en cours non ?

 

[TheJames101]

Why are they putting their dirty hand between 2 adult consents ? These people gonna pay a lot after their death ... i garante you ...

What the hell are you talking about lol. Clearly, you did not read the article.

 

[transatlantic]

Reasons to worry go beyond criminal liability. People were arrested and there might be a trial. Who knows what the prosecutors will submit as evidence. We know they have all the numbers and if they are used in the trial they become part of the public record

You guys were smart enough to use burners, Right? Right?

I still think agency (in Canada) still safer than independents. The independents have your actual information as part of verification; one can only trust one don’t get extorted by an independent.

Just as there are agencies that have lines they don’t cross (which XO at some point allegedly decide to cross), same go for independents.

 

[boboi]

Hi everyone,

Maybe you noticed, maybe you didn't, but i have been very silent on the board lately. While it would be off topic to say why (and i am not ready to talk about it), i still wanted to comment on this particular post due to the serious nature of it.

So for a start i want to say that even tough i never been someone to book "often", having maybe 3-4 bookings at Xo maximum per years (with 1 or 2 indies and maybe 2-3 in other agencies), i never noticed anything or was told anything in regard with this article. I did had SPs ocasionally mention other clients bad behaviors to me, but i never heard of bad situations with the agency itself. I asked a few times the SPs i saw if it was good in the agency and they always answered positively.

I met Uncle Sam a few times but it was very long ago, before he started the agency (in the old GTs). I did exchanged messages over the board and by email after, but thats it. He was always nice to me. I am not saying this to excuse him or anything, but simply to say i couldn't had any hints of any issues.

That said, i am not naive and obviously over all these years with all these different women, its bound that not everything would be sunshine and rainbows. Now i understand the moral dilema of "agencies vs indies", both from different clients AND indies perspectives, and it is a very slippery slope to go and i fear no matter how i try my hardest to present it, i am bound to displease someone. I did try during my years to stay away from the "underbelly" and anything that looked too shady. The reality tough is that there is bad stuff happening on both agency and indy side. There will never be a 100% safe and "ethical" way to operate in this business as a client. I know that from certain Indies point of view(i am not gonna name anyone) they have their way to operate and they consider this the ethical way, but i never hidden that i do have issues with certain parts especially when it comes to clients forfeiting all their "protections". So even not taking into account the disparity of cost between the 2 "formats", it may simply be easier to book in agencies for certain clients at certain times.

Personally i had already decided to take a break from most of the hobby unrelated to this article because of "other stuff" (that i may or may not talk about at some point) so it won't really impact me on the present. But it will pick my curiosity to follow this... Will this lead to a huge shake up in the business or will it be another C-36? I don't know. Time will tell.

With that said, stay safe everyone.

Very wise...I also find it unfortunate when some try to shame men into submitting to their world view.
There's zero guarantee that a given Indy doesn't have a BF defacto acting like a pimp, I've seen this first hand, multiple times.

 

[LC18]

@LC18 : J étais sous l émotion et je trouve que cela a un lien avec le sujet en cours non ?

Je comprends ou tu veux en venir mais c'est un exageration et ça ne fait pas trop avancer la conversation en soit. Les forces de l'ordre font la guerre a la drogue et pourtant on a encore plein de films et series avec des narcotrafiquants comme personnages principaux. Dors en paix, les films de fesses vont continuer d'exister

 

[LC18]

I still think agency (in Canada) still safer than independents. The independents have your actual information as part of verification; one can only trust one don’t get extorted by an independent.

Again, not everyone requires real life info, some actually don't give a damn

 

[2fast2slow]

another reason i've switched to mps the last 5-7 years. I never liked going into the condo buildings, where residents/doormen look at you funny. I once had an agency tell me the buzzer was broken and to wait til someone exited the building to enter (that was wonderful).
At least at Mps, they are licensed and "out in the open", although that does not mean they all operate ethically (as clearly stated in this thread).

 

[Julia Sky]

You guys were smart enough to use burners, Right? Right?

I still think agency (in Canada) still safer than independents. The independents have your actual information as part of verification; one can only trust one don’t get extorted by an independent.

Just as there are agencies that have lines they don’t cross (which XO at some point allegedly decide to cross), same go for independents.

Not every independent requires real world information

 

[hob12]

A lot do though. Bottom line there is a lot of talents in agencies and not doing business with them cuts you off from a lot of possibilities.