First time i see a thread with 10 pages comments in less of the day, i thought it was the Maya apocalypse or something
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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In any field, the consequences of being late have never been "paying your boss". You just don't get paid for time spent not working. The consequence of an escort being late is usually having to turn an hour booking into a 30min one (therefore making less money), or having to finish later. Paying a late fee is not normal in any field - if you're constantly late or not showing up you don't get charged, you get fired.
Also if I understand, the fee can become really high. If I am sick and I can't go to my job at the agency where I'm working, and I had 6 bookings, that means I will have to pay 6 times the fee. That's over 500$, for a sick day. I guess clients would prefer I come in sick, infect them or even puke on them. No clients benefit from workers being exploited, except bad clients who actually are sadistic and enjoy the fact that they can push boundaries due to bosses looking the other way and encouraging abusive johns to come back because of profit. It's well known that a lot of agency and spa owners and bookers will keep aggressive and disrespectful clients around as long as it brings them money. At one place where I worked, boundary pushers would be sent to the new girls because nobody else wanted to see them anymore, but they were never kicked out. This is a small group of clients, but they take advantage of this system.
I don't think it's worth debating if agencies are good or bad. I think there's a reason why they exist and I believe that in an ideal world they could be managed ethically. But we are showing some issues that have occurred at certain agencies.. It's being proven by this article here. When XO was shut down, I already knew all of this information because of things friends told me, but we couldn't say anything. It seems like a lot of clients are already aware that some abusive and coercive practices are in place in some establishments they visit, but they still frequent them. I don't judge them for it because like I said earlier the girls who work for these places need good clients.. But I think it would be cool if people didn't shove their heads in the sand.
I don't think it's worth debating if agencies are good or bad. I think there's a reason why they exist and I believe that in an ideal world they could be managed ethically. But we are showing some issues that have occurred at certain agencies.. It's being proven by this article here. When XO was shut down, I already knew all of this information because of things friends told me, but we couldn't say anything. It seems like a lot of clients are already aware that some abusive and coercive practices are in place in some establishments they visit, but they still frequent them. I don't judge them for it because like I said earlier the girls who work for these places need good clients.. But I think it would be cool if people didn't shove their heads in the sand.
Like we said: vouloir le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémière/fermière
It could be any kind of consequence. I doubt a written warning would work in this case. I guess repeat lates and/or cancellations should mean to be booted out.
I'm not too worried personally. If they wanted to prosecute clients they would've set up sting operations to catch clients in the act of buying sexual services. No way in hell would they bring charges based on text messages only. In this case specifically they went ahead because a woman filed a complaint of being sex trafficked. She will be a state witness in the trial.
I would guess 10s of thousands of numbers. There were regulars, occasional clients, tourists, some that just booked one time, etc, etc.
They probably had 100s of customers per day, so over weeks, months and years, it makes a lot of clients (even if obviously there are many repeats).
No. Now that I saw the photos of the owner and the collector in the La Presse article, it was those two men who were checking me out.
I only used XO twice to see two girls. One I see still at another agency now, she got smart and left, and the other was the one I had the problem with and with whom I noticed these two guys. They came out of two adjacent apartments as I arrived to check me out, and when I left early, they did the same thing. I left early from the appointment because the girl I saw was unfit, health-wise, for work.
I recall immediately telling the booker whose photo was published in the article, as well, that her girl was unfit for work, and her response to me was that there was no refund. I told her I did not want a refund because her girl was unwell and should not be working, and finally told her I would not be using their services anymore.
This whole story makes me so sad for the women who were abused. Those who where underage. And those who were coerced into working while they did not want to. It leaves me with the feeling that trying to hobby ethically is hard. Peace to all.
It's not actually that hard in my opinion.. but in order to be ethical about it, you may have to make some sacrifices, and you may have to understand that this isn't fun and games all the time for everyone in this industry. This isn't an easy job. I think that there may have been a time when sex work was seen in a more positive light and even glamorized, and that might have been why culture around it shifted in the mid 2010's. I'm not a sex work historian but since I joined the industry I have conversed with women of various ages who were in the industry as early as the 2000's. The things they share with me are just so different. One woman told me that the agency she works for had very good policies and that she was given a lot of advice, but that was 20 years ago. A far cry from the stories that colleagues my age and younger have told me.
It's a little unusual that a very popular agency gets busted. As I recall around 15 years ago, the owner of Eleganza was also busted, as I recall for recruiting or hiring minors. I do not remember such a big thread on that bust, and I think that got a little less press coverage, even though Eleganza was a tip top agency in Montreal from around 2006-2010. But it's an unusual event. The owner of Eleganza did go to jail for some years as I recall. I do not remember what the evidence was against him.
Nobody seems very willing to give the benefit of any doubt to XO here, but it sounds like the court cases against the 5 charged are pending and they may beat the charges. Whether they do or not, there is probably another side to the story from what is being reported in the La Presse article.
I was a little disappointed that this newspaper did not have an English translation button but I did run the article through Chat GPT and read it. I am familiar with the condos where they are operating. I believe they had an agency party in 2017 in one of those condos if I recall correctly.
Do we know if the cancellation fee applied to girls that tested positive for STIs? Because can you imagine someone knowing they’re infected and still going to work because they don’t want to be in debts
We are all telling you what we know, from what other SP have told us who worked there. What is described in this article is the tip of the iceberg.
The complaints from the neighbours is one of the real reasons that they got busted. Obviously there’s the serious stuff, like the minor that was working there, girls forced to do orgies, drugs, horrible working conditions, etc.
But I witnessed firsthand an issue with a neighbour. I was going to see an SP that I was seeing semi-regularly and I noticed the woman was standing in the corridor when I was walking to the apartment. I told the SP about it and she said something like: “don’t worry about it. She’s been asking me quite a few times why there are so many different girls that use this apartment.” WTF !?!
This should have been a WARNING sign!!
Apparently, she told the neighbour that they were college students and couldn’t afford the expensive rent, so there’s about four girls sharing an apartment. That made no sense. How can 4 ladies be living in a studio??
I don’t know if she flagged it to one of the owners or not. If it was me, I would have stopped using that unit. Move elsewhere and continue operations. If you’ve got a nosey neighbour asking questions, it’s time to move on.
In fact, if I remember correctly, they were occupying four units in that one building. So once you get a nosey neighbour on your case, she’ll tell other neighbours and then all of a sudden they catch on.
If you have a bunch of guys coming in and out those buildings every day, and different girls coming in and out, it’s not long before the neighbours catch on.
That’s greed on the owners part to continue using those units despite neighbours catching on about what was going on.
And guess what happened a few months later? I think it was in the spring time of 2023, they were renting out hotel rooms downtown and hosting from there for a couple of months. Obviously the neighbours found out, filed a complaint and they were forced to leave those units, and they eventually set up shop elsewhere. But then all the other stuff caught up with them, LE was on it and they eventually got busted.
So bad mgmt and greed caught up with them, besides obviously all the other immoral stuff that they did.
But I witnessed firsthand an issue with a neighbour. I was going to see an SP that I was seeing semi-regularly and I noticed the woman was standing in the corridor when I was walking to the apartment. I told the SP about it and she said something like: “don’t worry about it. She’s been asking me quite a few times why there are so many different girls that use this apartment.” WTF !?!
This should have been a WARNING sign!!
Apparently, she told the neighbour that they were college students and couldn’t afford the expensive rent, so there’s about four girls sharing an apartment. That made no sense. How can 4 ladies be living in a studio??
I don’t know if she flagged it to one of the owners or not. If it was me, I would have stopped using that unit. Move elsewhere and continue operations. If you’ve got a nosey neighbour asking questions, it’s time to move on.
In fact, if I remember correctly, they were occupying four units in that one building. So once you get a nosey neighbour on your case, she’ll tell other neighbours and then all of a sudden they catch on.
If you have a bunch of guys coming in and out those buildings every day, and different girls coming in and out, it’s not long before the neighbours catch on.
That’s greed on the owners part to continue using those units despite neighbours catching on about what was going on.
And guess what happened a few months later? I think it was in the spring time of 2023, they were renting out hotel rooms downtown and hosting from there for a couple of months. Obviously the neighbours found out, filed a complaint and they were forced to leave those units, and they eventually set up shop elsewhere. But then all the other stuff caught up with them, LE was on it and they eventually got busted.
So bad mgmt and greed caught up with them, besides obviously all the other immoral stuff that they did.
The consequences is she is off the roster. Can't be "coerced" into sex work when the penalty is you are no longer being booked for sex work. Financially, lates/cancellation can modeled in; thus cost of doing business. And this isn't just "any" business. When words like "minor", "coerced", "trafficking" is in the press, it's bad business for everyone involved.
I hope you are not being serious. My time is valuable but I'm not going to session with someone who isn't there voluntarily. Even if some johns don't care she doesn't really want to be there, I'm pretty sure she ain't bringing her A-game into the session. Because of these reasons, I don't complaint to the booker or here on MERB when agency cancels last minute because she "has an emergency," or "has her period." If she doesn't want to be there to begin with, the session is already off to a bad start.
I don't think MPs are any different.
The only time someone told me they jumped ship because the boss had become abusive (because of hard drugs), it was about a MP.
TBH my comments were more related to the ladies i spoke too who were previously working at XO than the article itself. I tend to trust what they said to me, especially since it was different girls at different sessions at different time of the year. As i mentioned i was not aware of everything that is in the article.
This will most likely creat another debate (but almost everything creates a debate so that's ok), but it doesn't particularly shocks me that a French speaking media doesn't feel the need to have an English version in Quebec
Booking Military Police can be risky too
It just shows at the end of the day, management was only interested in $$$. I'm renting X number of condos, how much $$$ can I forecast getting out them (the condos) per week/per month etc. Since cancellations cause me money, I'm just going "manage this risk" to the financial forecast by offloading it to the girl in the form of a penalty. That is a crazy business model.
I don't know when the focus really became hardcore $$$ but when XO first started 10 years ago, my ATFs from that time had positive things to say. I just forwarded article to an XO girl who was on roster in 2017 and she replied she didn't experience that.
I think the penalties (which I knew nothing about so am not defending them) are more to incentivize the right behaviour.
One think to know is that providers who arrive late spend the day trying to get back on schedule and that makes for poor meetings: low tips, unhappy customers, etc.
Some parlors are very tolerant of women being late or cancelling and it does annoy people and hurt the provider's business.
I think a happy medium would be ideal - penalties or free for all don't seem right.
