Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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It's also that life happens. A lot of women are in this business because it's flexible. Many sex workers I know have to stop working for some periods of time, because they have chronic health problems, or they get burned out. If a girl is coerced to work when she's sick, possibly even sick with an STI, or in a really bad mental state that could push her to the edge, what will happen?
I think the point is that a lot of men do not care to check if the girls are minors. Their fantasy is ''teen girl''. One client told me once that he never hired girls under 20 because he knew that really often 18 year olds were actually underage and being advertised as ''legal'', and it was almost like an open secret or something people just want to push out of their minds. Teenage girls sometimes choose to work for places like this for various reasons even without a pimp being present.. they are trying to make money to leave an abusive home.. they are having emotional problems, etc. it's up to the adults to make sure no exploitation is happening.
The law was broken because they were making money from the sexual services that other people were offering. that's illegal in Canada.
It’s criminal to receive money, make a financial gain from others’ prostitution. Meaning I can have my own money from my own sex work, but my friend can’t give me a cut and no one can receive a cut from my work. I am tired at the moment, not sure I am explaining this right?
Agencies are illegal but as long as there are no drugs, minors, arms, violence, they should be left alone (in theory). They crossed the line and got caught.
In the article it mentions the charges that have been pressed:
- Having benefited from a financial advantage that they knew came from an offence/criminal activity.
- Having caused/induced a person to offer sexual services in exchange for payment / consideration.
- Having advertised sexual services.
There is an MP in Montreal that charges 10$/min for girls that are late to their shifts. At least they used to, the place is far less popular these days than it once used to be.
Lates and cancellations has consequences for any business. John's time is valuable also. As with any business, if someone is late or has frequent cancellations then there must be consequences.
That sums it up, from what i gathered, talking with escorts who used to work for XO, they crossed a huge line, i think it was mentioned before (10 pages of comments is super long tbh) but yeah there were stories of drugs, non consensual sex etc. Didn't know about the underage girl though but that's another mail to the coffin.
if the issue was only about prostitution/proxenetism there wouldn't be any agency left, they're not super hard to find, they have websites and phone numbers
.If authorities wanted to stop that, they wouldn't have a hard time finding them.
There's also the point that proxenetism is probably more complicated to prove i'd guess, again the point was also made before.
Won't go into the "are agencies a good or a bad thing?" debate as i don't think it was the purpose of the thread.
First time i see a thread with 10 pages comments in less of the day, i thought it was the Maya apocalypse or something
In any field, the consequences of being late have never been "paying your boss". You just don't get paid for time spent not working. The consequence of an escort being late is usually having to turn an hour booking into a 30min one (therefore making less money), or having to finish later. Paying a late fee is not normal in any field - if you're constantly late or not showing up you don't get charged, you get fired.
Also if I understand, the fee can become really high. If I am sick and I can't go to my job at the agency where I'm working, and I had 6 bookings, that means I will have to pay 6 times the fee. That's over 500$, for a sick day. I guess clients would prefer I come in sick, infect them or even puke on them. No clients benefit from workers being exploited, except bad clients who actually are sadistic and enjoy the fact that they can push boundaries due to bosses looking the other way and encouraging abusive johns to come back because of profit. It's well known that a lot of agency and spa owners and bookers will keep aggressive and disrespectful clients around as long as it brings them money. At one place where I worked, boundary pushers would be sent to the new girls because nobody else wanted to see them anymore, but they were never kicked out. This is a small group of clients, but they take advantage of this system.
I don't think it's worth debating if agencies are good or bad. I think there's a reason why they exist and I believe that in an ideal world they could be managed ethically. But we are showing some issues that have occurred at certain agencies.. It's being proven by this article here. When XO was shut down, I already knew all of this information because of things friends told me, but we couldn't say anything. It seems like a lot of clients are already aware that some abusive and coercive practices are in place in some establishments they visit, but they still frequent them. I don't judge them for it because like I said earlier the girls who work for these places need good clients.. But I think it would be cool if people didn't shove their heads in the sand.
I don't think it's worth debating if agencies are good or bad. I think there's a reason why they exist and I believe that in an ideal world they could be managed ethically. But we are showing some issues that have occurred at certain agencies.. It's being proven by this article here. When XO was shut down, I already knew all of this information because of things friends told me, but we couldn't say anything. It seems like a lot of clients are already aware that some abusive and coercive practices are in place in some establishments they visit, but they still frequent them. I don't judge them for it because like I said earlier the girls who work for these places need good clients.. But I think it would be cool if people didn't shove their heads in the sand.
Like we said: vouloir le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémière/fermière
It could be any kind of consequence. I doubt a written warning would work in this case. I guess repeat lates and/or cancellations should mean to be booted out.
I'm not too worried personally. If they wanted to prosecute clients they would've set up sting operations to catch clients in the act of buying sexual services. No way in hell would they bring charges based on text messages only. In this case specifically they went ahead because a woman filed a complaint of being sex trafficked. She will be a state witness in the trial.
Me I'm just surprise the mods keep this thread running especially after they closed the thread on XO shutdown a year ago after my post where I wrote something is fishy (sounds like I was right) or the other thread few years ago on Marie-Eve Tremblay's podcast regarding an ex Seeking arrangement sugar baby that have been recruited by them:
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I would guess 10s of thousands of numbers. There were regulars, occasional clients, tourists, some that just booked one time, etc, etc.
They probably had 100s of customers per day, so over weeks, months and years, it makes a lot of clients (even if obviously there are many repeats).
No. Now that I saw the photos of the owner and the collector in the La Presse article, it was those two men who were checking me out.
I only used XO twice to see two girls. One I see still at another agency now, she got smart and left, and the other was the one I had the problem with and with whom I noticed these two guys. They came out of two adjacent apartments as I arrived to check me out, and when I left early, they did the same thing. I left early from the appointment because the girl I saw was unfit, health-wise, for work.
I recall immediately telling the booker whose photo was published in the article, as well, that her girl was unfit for work, and her response to me was that there was no refund. I told her I did not want a refund because her girl was unwell and should not be working, and finally told her I would not be using their services anymore.
This whole story makes me so sad for the women who were abused. Those who where underage. And those who were coerced into working while they did not want to. It leaves me with the feeling that trying to hobby ethically is hard. Peace to all.
It's not actually that hard in my opinion.. but in order to be ethical about it, you may have to make some sacrifices, and you may have to understand that this isn't fun and games all the time for everyone in this industry. This isn't an easy job. I think that there may have been a time when sex work was seen in a more positive light and even glamorized, and that might have been why culture around it shifted in the mid 2010's. I'm not a sex work historian but since I joined the industry I have conversed with women of various ages who were in the industry as early as the 2000's. The things they share with me are just so different. One woman told me that the agency she works for had very good policies and that she was given a lot of advice, but that was 20 years ago. A far cry from the stories that colleagues my age and younger have told me.
It's a little unusual that a very popular agency gets busted. As I recall around 15 years ago, the owner of Eleganza was also busted, as I recall for recruiting or hiring minors. I do not remember such a big thread on that bust, and I think that got a little less press coverage, even though Eleganza was a tip top agency in Montreal from around 2006-2010. But it's an unusual event. The owner of Eleganza did go to jail for some years as I recall. I do not remember what the evidence was against him.
Nobody seems very willing to give the benefit of any doubt to XO here, but it sounds like the court cases against the 5 charged are pending and they may beat the charges. Whether they do or not, there is probably another side to the story from what is being reported in the La Presse article.
I was a little disappointed that this newspaper did not have an English translation button but I did run the article through Chat GPT and read it. I am familiar with the condos where they are operating. I believe they had an agency party in 2017 in one of those condos if I recall correctly.
Do we know if the cancellation fee applied to girls that tested positive for STIs? Because can you imagine someone knowing they’re infected and still going to work because they don’t want to be in debts
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