Guess I must be crazy, would have assumed the best agency would not recruit underage girl(s), drug and sex assault the SPs, and try with some success to enforce involuntary sexual servitude.
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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Je dirais qu’à la lecture de l’article et à l’écoute de l’entrevue. Je suis contente et soulagée que certaines viennent dire ici qu’elles ont eu un experience positive. Tant mieux pour elles.
Par contre ça ne devrait pas diminuer les expériences négatives de nos collègues
Premièrement, nous n’avons pas toutes le même seuil de tolérance et les mêmes rapports avec les autres individus
tbh I'm not sure the cops are going to be hunting down people on the forum here, connecting them to seized phone numbers, etc. That seems like quite the operation. Maybe, but it seems unlikely.... and I'm as concerned as anyone about the numbers being siezed.
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I want to add something very important.. Yes, for many of us this is a job that allows us to have better financial conditions or that allows us to survive. Maybe it's not our first choice, maybe some of us don't like the job, maybe some of us are not huge fans of several aspects of the work but still choose to continue. That is not the same as being exploited and coerced.
But I do think that our clients should be sensitive to our comfort and working conditions..
But I do think that our clients should be sensitive to our comfort and working conditions..
Je suis d'accord avec toi. Tant mieux. Et, oui, ta dernière phrase me semble très pertinente, et présente tout un éventail de nuances.
I don't know about your examples and am not prepared to say she was lying about those things. One thing that raised a flag for me, though, was when she said she had never seen a nice/good client. She was there for a year. Only awful people booked her? It seems very implausible, if not impossible. So, she is either telling the truth, exaggerating, or has that whole period of life labelled as bad, which could be understandable.
But it stood out to me, because it seemed to imply that most (or all) people who booked with XO were abusers or bad people who didn't care about how the women felt. I doubt any SP here would say that everyone they have encountered has been bad.
This is not to minimize her story or how she felt, but it's just to say how I felt listening to it from the other side of the fence.
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Ciboulot @mauricevachon tu fais exprès ou t’es comme ça 24/7
Il y a beaucoup de gens qui se font dire qu’elles n’auront pas à coucher avec leur sugardaddy, d’ailleurs le site lui-même ne faisait pas la promotion du sexe contre rémunération parce que ça ferait d’eux des complices.
Oui on peut se douter qu’il pourrait y avoir du sexe mais Clémentine avait 19 ans. A cet âge là j’étais naive moi aussi et quand des femmes plus vieilles te disent “inscris toi tu vas voir c’est payant en plus tu peux garder tes vêtements”, évidemment que tu vas les croire
Il y a beaucoup de gens qui se font dire qu’elles n’auront pas à coucher avec leur sugardaddy, d’ailleurs le site lui-même ne faisait pas la promotion du sexe contre rémunération parce que ça ferait d’eux des complices.
Oui on peut se douter qu’il pourrait y avoir du sexe mais Clémentine avait 19 ans. A cet âge là j’étais naive moi aussi et quand des femmes plus vieilles te disent “inscris toi tu vas voir c’est payant en plus tu peux garder tes vêtements”, évidemment que tu vas les croire
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It seems like there were complaints to LE and they set up a sting, the goal of which was to shut down the agency and charge its principals. This was accomplished. It's a low hanging fruit situation. Going after clients based on seized phone numbers and texts seems like an expensive and more difficult proposition. It seems unlikely. Unless they got very specific information/evidence of, or a witness to criminal behavior by the client and feel compelled to charge it.
Il y a une énorme différence entre
ne pas être au courant d’une situation, obtenir les informations et se rendre compte que la situation n’était pas bonne
et
ne pas être au courant d’une situation, obtenir les informations et choisir de continuer de supporter les actions sachant que la situation n’était pas bonne
ne pas être au courant d’une situation, obtenir les informations et se rendre compte que la situation n’était pas bonne
et
ne pas être au courant d’une situation, obtenir les informations et choisir de continuer de supporter les actions sachant que la situation n’était pas bonne
Maybe that's how she experienced it, even if the clients felt like they were being nice to her. I also don't believe that it's possible to have only bad clients, and I don't think everyone who booked with XO is an abuser.. but I don't think this means we shouldn't believe her.
It sounds like she was being maybe hyperbolic.. She had so many bad experiences that she felt like ''all clients were bad''. That's honestly how I felt when I entered the industry. I attracted so many boundary pushers and violent clients as a beginner that I didn't feel I had one single nice client for a while.. Nowadays, most of my clients are very kind and respectful. But I can see how a new girl, naive, 19 years old, would attract a lot of predators and unpleasant clients..
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Bon j'ai beaucoup d'empathie pour Clémentine qui a repris sa vie en main pour se sortir de la prostitution
Son témoignage est important pour que d'autres ne fassent pas les mêmes choix
Le problème c'est l'appât du gain de l'argent facile qui est un cancer dans notre société qui met trop l'accent sur le monde de l'apparence le consumérisme
Notre industrie cher ami e fait partie du problème
Y a énormément de souffrance psychologique cacher autant du côté de la travailleuses du sexe que du client
Bonne introspection
Son témoignage est important pour que d'autres ne fassent pas les mêmes choix
Le problème c'est l'appât du gain de l'argent facile qui est un cancer dans notre société qui met trop l'accent sur le monde de l'apparence le consumérisme
Notre industrie cher ami e fait partie du problème
Y a énormément de souffrance psychologique cacher autant du côté de la travailleuses du sexe que du client
Bonne introspection
I think maybe she didn’t know how to be assertive and voice her discomfort. To many men, if they don’t hear a clear “no” they’ll keep doing. For some, even if they hear “no” they’ll keep going but that’s another subject
This is not saying that it’s her fault, au contraire, it just made it easier for some men to abuse her and they thought she was ok with what was going on
So yes, it’s possible that all of her experiences were bad but it doesn’t mean all the clients were trash
This is not saying that it’s her fault, au contraire, it just made it easier for some men to abuse her and they thought she was ok with what was going on
So yes, it’s possible that all of her experiences were bad but it doesn’t mean all the clients were trash
Je pense qu'il est préférable de ne pas tomber dans les clichés du style "l'appât du gain et l'argent facile". Toutes les travailleuses du sexe ont leur raisons personnelles et ce n'est à personne de juger. C'est loin d'être de l'argent facile aussi. Mais pour les exploiteurs c'est sûr que c'est facile.
My understanding is that Sam toward the end was more the "owner in the background" like renting the units and other stuff like that and mostly just cashing the money and not actually working anymore (booking etc). Its what i have been told by some SPs and since i didn't interact with Sam during the later years, i do believe it was true. Im sure you guys noticed one of the lady has the same last name as Sam. Sister, cousin or wife? But they definately related. I spoke to Sam and altough he is Asian, he spoke like any white dude. You couldn't know he is Asian if you only spoke on the phone with him. So that lady in question ... was she still working as of recently? Its likely (if they are siblings) that she has the same "accent-free" voice as him.
I listened to the podcast and the latest interview of Clementine and i know that some of the stuff she mention did happened because i been told by the guys themselves. The only difference between her testimony and theirs is that on their side it was consensual and they had a safe word. I even inquired to some SPs i saw and had some confirmations that this stuff did happen but the versions were different depending on the person. I think the truth is likely in between. My feeling is that Clementine "agreed" to do some things because of various reasons (fear of the agency, the clients, treats etc) but she really didn't wanted to do them. Now some clients are really depicted as evil and again, i know from the mouth of an SP that some clients will out them to their familly either if they refuse to do some things or refuse to see them. I know it happened. I know there is some evil guys out there. Heck who (beside a psychopath) would ask an SP to send him a video of her killing her dog... For F SAKE !! Were they all that evil tough? I think this poor lady was traumatized heavily from many different situations and at some point a client asking for a kink may have been enough to trigger the traumas and put him in the same basket.
All my "kinks" are non-violent personally. But i have a few who would definately trigger a "weirdo !!!" comment if i told them to any "civilians" wich is not into that. Im not gonna lie, there is some things i only done because the SP brough it up herself first and since she said she was comfortable doing it, then i felt at ease to ask her about it. But even 17 years later i am still shy with SPs, i am still uncomfortable to ask about certain things. Heck by now its not a secret that i love doing COF, but do you know how many years it took me to be comfortable asking about it because i feared i would look like a weirdo? And heck im not even 100% to this day, and it depend on the provider (i try to read the room and i try to book with the ones who have a pre-disposition for it either by listing it or reading about it in reviews).
I mentioned in my previous post i had a bad experience not that long ago that has "shaken me up". It added to the one i had late last year that i talked about and while they were not "back to back" per say (and they were different in context), it was in a short ammount of time and has left me with some "emotional scars" related to the business to a point i still think regularely about it and have decided (way before this story came out) to avoid agency bookings for a while and only seeing SPs i know for the near futur. But now that this story has pop out i view it in a different angle and the key factor is probably "what about the other clients she saw before me and how did they behave" and i can maybe understand a bit more on the situation.
For transparency i never met Jade at Xo. I don't know her at all. And my experience is limited to what i experienced myself. Did i saw SPs with bruises on their body or face? No. Did i was told anything that could trigger an alarm in me? No. But i mostly saw "veterans" that been in the business for a while. I rarely if ever booked "new SPs" because i felt it was too "risky". I prefer seeing someone thats been around and have had great reviews. Considering i book rarely and all the logistic involved, it was a better "bet". Up until December 2025 my "resume" was very good. Not gonna said i didn't had a few "meh meetings" but never anything overly majorly bad. So maybe both the agency and some clients wanted to "pray" on young new comers who didn't knew better.
All these years i tried to be the best client i could and yet i know for a fact i ended up on the blacklist on some SPs due to my posts here. Was i sometimes in the wrong and not realizing it at the time? Definately. Is there some opinions i still persist and sign to this day that is in disparity with some SPs? Definately. Heck i may even change my mind on more things in the futur. This post is a great exemple of making me question the business more than ever before. Only the fools don't change their mind. I always been an open person and i do try to look at the good in peoples rather than the bad. But i also learn in my life (not just in this business) that no matter what, there is bad peoples in the world and you also need to build a shell around you, otherwise you will be squashed and taken advantage of.
I listened to the podcast and the latest interview of Clementine and i know that some of the stuff she mention did happened because i been told by the guys themselves. The only difference between her testimony and theirs is that on their side it was consensual and they had a safe word. I even inquired to some SPs i saw and had some confirmations that this stuff did happen but the versions were different depending on the person. I think the truth is likely in between. My feeling is that Clementine "agreed" to do some things because of various reasons (fear of the agency, the clients, treats etc) but she really didn't wanted to do them. Now some clients are really depicted as evil and again, i know from the mouth of an SP that some clients will out them to their familly either if they refuse to do some things or refuse to see them. I know it happened. I know there is some evil guys out there. Heck who (beside a psychopath) would ask an SP to send him a video of her killing her dog... For F SAKE !! Were they all that evil tough? I think this poor lady was traumatized heavily from many different situations and at some point a client asking for a kink may have been enough to trigger the traumas and put him in the same basket.
All my "kinks" are non-violent personally. But i have a few who would definately trigger a "weirdo !!!" comment if i told them to any "civilians" wich is not into that. Im not gonna lie, there is some things i only done because the SP brough it up herself first and since she said she was comfortable doing it, then i felt at ease to ask her about it. But even 17 years later i am still shy with SPs, i am still uncomfortable to ask about certain things. Heck by now its not a secret that i love doing COF, but do you know how many years it took me to be comfortable asking about it because i feared i would look like a weirdo? And heck im not even 100% to this day, and it depend on the provider (i try to read the room and i try to book with the ones who have a pre-disposition for it either by listing it or reading about it in reviews).
I mentioned in my previous post i had a bad experience not that long ago that has "shaken me up". It added to the one i had late last year that i talked about and while they were not "back to back" per say (and they were different in context), it was in a short ammount of time and has left me with some "emotional scars" related to the business to a point i still think regularely about it and have decided (way before this story came out) to avoid agency bookings for a while and only seeing SPs i know for the near futur. But now that this story has pop out i view it in a different angle and the key factor is probably "what about the other clients she saw before me and how did they behave" and i can maybe understand a bit more on the situation.
For transparency i never met Jade at Xo. I don't know her at all. And my experience is limited to what i experienced myself. Did i saw SPs with bruises on their body or face? No. Did i was told anything that could trigger an alarm in me? No. But i mostly saw "veterans" that been in the business for a while. I rarely if ever booked "new SPs" because i felt it was too "risky". I prefer seeing someone thats been around and have had great reviews. Considering i book rarely and all the logistic involved, it was a better "bet". Up until December 2025 my "resume" was very good. Not gonna said i didn't had a few "meh meetings" but never anything overly majorly bad. So maybe both the agency and some clients wanted to "pray" on young new comers who didn't knew better.
All these years i tried to be the best client i could and yet i know for a fact i ended up on the blacklist on some SPs due to my posts here. Was i sometimes in the wrong and not realizing it at the time? Definately. Is there some opinions i still persist and sign to this day that is in disparity with some SPs? Definately. Heck i may even change my mind on more things in the futur. This post is a great exemple of making me question the business more than ever before. Only the fools don't change their mind. I always been an open person and i do try to look at the good in peoples rather than the bad. But i also learn in my life (not just in this business) that no matter what, there is bad peoples in the world and you also need to build a shell around you, otherwise you will be squashed and taken advantage of.
To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.
However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.
1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.
2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.
Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.
*****
Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.
She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).
Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escortes démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne
Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.www.985fm.ca
I'm not the smartest but I know 2 things. First it's not because something seems incredible that it is not true.To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.
However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.
1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.
2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.
Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.
*****
Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.
She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).
Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escortes démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne
Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.
Also young girls, especially if they were raised in a loving family, are incredibly naive.
I'm sensitive to your experience but curious what you mean... All of this is pretty vague and doesn't seem super relevant to this subject
This is getting really exhausting lol. Whatever. Believe whatever you want to believe, guys.
Clementine’s allegations have not withstood the test of a trial. Her statements are not evidence. As the issue of the trial of the 5 hockey players has shown, allegations can’t be taken at face value.
Well at first it sounds like unbelievable that all clients are bad.
But considering the non-existent screening and with the sharing by Alicemay and Julia, you can guess that it's not that impossible at all ...
Clémentine had the perfect profile: young and naive, but most importantly new in the roster.
One could imagine the dynamic here: you enter the agency, depending of several factors like your experience, age, character. You work with such clients for a period of time. Once you're "experienced" you could push back, if you're lucky there will be a new girl getting them. Then you have the illusion you're listened.
And then the scenario repeats itself.
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