I was wondering why you see this so often on ads on 123 or LL. Is it because Black men are known to be extremely well endowed, or is it a racist thing?
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We can all openly state why is the case and there are more than one reasons of no black or dark skin dudes that includes Indians. But that would lead to a situation where the mods come in and do their lovely magic of locking this thread and banning folks.
So whatever response is going to be filled with dancing around articulated nonsense. Lol. Like my post for example which answers or tries to answer the question but doesn’t really answer it.
So whatever response is going to be filled with dancing around articulated nonsense. Lol. Like my post for example which answers or tries to answer the question but doesn’t really answer it.
No, not in just in Montreal LOL!
"No boom boom with soul brother"...."Soul brother too beaucoup"
"No boom boom with soul brother"...."Soul brother too beaucoup"
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You going to adjust for rate of arrest for same crimes and the many other factors one should for such a stat tableau to have any real meaning, those stats exists you may want to pull them up too. these stats have been proven to have real value without broader scope and it's easy to find if one looks. I would also bring into question the validity of US stats for a Canadian board regarding ads for a Canadian city...not saying Canada is better but wouldn't do to compare to US stats, it's as useful as bringing up the Mexican stats, we're all in North America but are vastly different
There are likely many reasons why this happens. I’ve heard a few over the years. One of the first i heard was from a couple of girls who had black boyfriends/pimps. They didn’t want their girls to fuck fellow black guys but were okay with them fucking white or oriental men. Maybe it was a territorial thing, who knows.
I even knew some black girls who would never see black guys because they were always afraid of meeting a client they knew or a client that may know someone they know.
The last girl to tell me she no longer wanted to see black clients & knew other girls who felt like she did had a different take on the matter. I had a regular a few years ago & we spent a few years experimenting with things. One time I brought up the possibility of maybe having a threesome with another girl & she wasn’t interested since she wasn’t into women at all. However she mentioned one girl that she may be interested in if i was serious about a threesome (a popular sp named Naomie) but I wasn’t really into that lady & i think she had just retired if my memory is correct.
So i casually asked her if she’d be open to having a threesome with another male (since i knew she had been with multiple male partners at the same time in the past) and she replied she’d be open to it since she always enjoyed threesomes with two male partners. However there was a condition: as long as the other male partner wasn’t black. This surprised me since this girl had never showed me a hint of racism or prejudice in the few years i’d known her. She explained to me that the only reason she now refused to see black clients was that from her experience with herself & other girls she previously worked with the few times she & others got ripped off by a client only happened with a black client. “Every time?”, i asked? “100% of the time”, she replied. “Every single time it happened was always with a black client.” So she had made the decision never to see black clients again.
A year or so later one of my regulars was a black sp. We also enjoyed experimenting with different things & one time when we were considering inviting an sp to have fun with us she told me that when I contacted the agency to specify to them that my female partner was black. When i asked why she replied that from her personal experience quite a few ladies in the business will refuse to see black girls. So if i didn’t want any unexpected surprise to make sure that the agency tells the girl that the couple she’d be seeing consisted of a black girl. I actually found this fact surprising.
I even knew some black girls who would never see black guys because they were always afraid of meeting a client they knew or a client that may know someone they know.
The last girl to tell me she no longer wanted to see black clients & knew other girls who felt like she did had a different take on the matter. I had a regular a few years ago & we spent a few years experimenting with things. One time I brought up the possibility of maybe having a threesome with another girl & she wasn’t interested since she wasn’t into women at all. However she mentioned one girl that she may be interested in if i was serious about a threesome (a popular sp named Naomie) but I wasn’t really into that lady & i think she had just retired if my memory is correct.
So i casually asked her if she’d be open to having a threesome with another male (since i knew she had been with multiple male partners at the same time in the past) and she replied she’d be open to it since she always enjoyed threesomes with two male partners. However there was a condition: as long as the other male partner wasn’t black. This surprised me since this girl had never showed me a hint of racism or prejudice in the few years i’d known her. She explained to me that the only reason she now refused to see black clients was that from her experience with herself & other girls she previously worked with the few times she & others got ripped off by a client only happened with a black client. “Every time?”, i asked? “100% of the time”, she replied. “Every single time it happened was always with a black client.” So she had made the decision never to see black clients again.
A year or so later one of my regulars was a black sp. We also enjoyed experimenting with different things & one time when we were considering inviting an sp to have fun with us she told me that when I contacted the agency to specify to them that my female partner was black. When i asked why she replied that from her personal experience quite a few ladies in the business will refuse to see black girls. So if i didn’t want any unexpected surprise to make sure that the agency tells the girl that the couple she’d be seeing consisted of a black girl. I actually found this fact surprising.
Many sex workers in Montreal date black men so I would look beyond racism or endowment.
When I asked in the past was told for some it is because they run in those circles (church, clubs, sports) and want to avoid boinking the friend of a friend
edit: wrote this before doc’s detailed answer!
When I asked in the past was told for some it is because they run in those circles (church, clubs, sports) and want to avoid boinking the friend of a friend
edit: wrote this before doc’s detailed answer!
Since Canada does not collect crime data by race, one can use the racial makeup of the prison population in Canada as a proxy for crimes committed by race.
When you compare the prison population by race in Canada to the general population, one can see that the data are somewhat similar to racial crime data in the U.S., though the percentage of Canadian blacks in the prison population (8%) is only about twice as much as their share of the Canadian population (4%). In comparison, the percentage of crimes committed by blacks in the U.S. is about three times more than their percentage of the population (see data above).
One can debate the reasons for the greater representation of blacks in Canadian prisons, but from the point of view of some escorts, data like that probably contributes to their reluctance to see black clients.
Federal corrections population distribution by race in Canada 2022 | Statista
This statistic shows the distribution of adults in federal correctional services in Canada in the fiscal year of 2022, by race.www.statista.com
Characteristic Share of adults in federal custodial programs White* 53.7% Indigenous* 26.1% Black* 8.1% Asian* 5.9%
Canadians - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
...According to the 2021 Canadian census, over 450 "ethnic or cultural rts that 35.5% of the population reported multiple ethnic origins, thus the overall total is greater than 100%.[4][d]
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Does that include provincial prison data sets?
Do they attempt to discern the difference between rates of arrest and incarceration for the major metropolitan cities in Canada? If no, it’s a bit disingenuous to use the above as positive proof that local escorts would refuse to see black men. If anything, I’d say things like the above add to the prejudicial attitudes that perpetuate certain stigmas. Alternatively, I agree with you if the data is expansive and region specific enough with the necessary regression adjustments in mind.
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In my opinion it’s usually racist asides from the rare times it isn’t. Whether that racism is justified or not people can decide for themselves. There was certainly a point in time in history where it was acceptable:
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Back to OP question, he specified SP on LL 123, which are different from well established indies and Agencies.
“No black gents” does not apply to agencies. Has anyone seen this statement on any of XO euphoria Vog etc… website?
indies have very personal approach to screening such as references or some sort of identification such as gouv ID. I believe it has to do with WHO you are, not WHAT you are.
back to LL and 123, it’s a jungle on both sides. I’m not saying everyone is but a lot are B&S, pimped, feeding drug addiction, part of human trafficking…it’s hard to navigate through muddied waters. whoever behind, the girl or her pimp, don’t have time to screen each client individually. It’s a number game. Max clients, max $$. putting screening rules such as « NBM » or « no bookings past midnight » make them believe they will operate in a safer way to max out profit.
xoxo~
Kimi
“No black gents” does not apply to agencies. Has anyone seen this statement on any of XO euphoria Vog etc… website?
indies have very personal approach to screening such as references or some sort of identification such as gouv ID. I believe it has to do with WHO you are, not WHAT you are.
back to LL and 123, it’s a jungle on both sides. I’m not saying everyone is but a lot are B&S, pimped, feeding drug addiction, part of human trafficking…it’s hard to navigate through muddied waters. whoever behind, the girl or her pimp, don’t have time to screen each client individually. It’s a number game. Max clients, max $$. putting screening rules such as « NBM » or « no bookings past midnight » make them believe they will operate in a safer way to max out profit.
xoxo~
Kimi
No statements from agencies themselves, but I've heard certain girls from agencies request that they not be booked with gents of a certain race (african americans included).
Sometimes agencies screen their clients for certain girls based on this.
Never had this happen yet, but apparently some agencies do ask for a client's nationality when booking in certain cases (https://merb.cc/xenforo/threads/mina-xo-ex-bianka-mae-ex-yumi-escortsxo.193186/page-2#post-1447184).
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Oh asking for nationality is for example, a girl is Colombian and she doesn’t want to see other Colombian fearing she might run into someone in her community.
Black is not a nationality. He can be American Canadian Haitian or even French
While the agencies don't impose a blanket "No Black Men" policy, there are many women working for these agencies who apply the NBM policy, including several of your colleagues at XO. Some agencies used to list the women who didn't see Black clients, such as Mike's Mansion (which merged with Euphoria), and Montreal XXXTase (actually I think they still list the escorts who don't see Blacks). Not sure why some agencies stopped doing this, but maybe they received negative feedback because the girls were seen as racist, and in turn it gave the impression that the agency was racist because they agreed to employ these girls. Just a thought but who really knows for sure...
Many indies will also ask for race/ethnicity when asking for your info, which may indicate that they don't want to see a certain TYPE and this is an easy way to filter them out.
What I do know is if you call agencies and identify yourself as a person of colour, your pool of options becomes MUCH smaller in terms of who is willing to see you, again for various reasons ranging from personal preference, discrimination, fear of meeting someone in their circle, etc...
As for LL, humpchies and the rest, I agree that it's a crapshow on both ends.
yeah i’m sure sex workers are thinking of this study when they say no black…
Lol such a myth! I spent a lot of time in South East Asia (mostly Thailand and Vietnam) and they're all too happy to "boom boom with soul brother" lol.
This is mainly a problem in Canada, and specifically Montreal. When you hobby abroad, the only colour they see is green lol $$$
Accompanied a black friend at a very reputable massage parlor in the last year... We talked after, I was presented 2x more women than he was (including a black girl he did not see in the presentation).
No clue what the reason was but would not blame Montreal too quickly as it happens all around the world. In Japan/Korea many providers only see asian men so whites and blacks have a harder time.
I think it gets easier for older (say over 35) black men in Montreal.
It is usually due to bad previous experiences: more likely to be aggressive during sex, have issue with payments (try to negotiate), lack manners, lack hygiene etc. Every sp probably has a story of a black guy trying to aggressively negotiate for lower payment, while smelling awful. Same is true to a lesser extent for arabs. The reason SP give to not see these races sometime is just an excuse so they don't seem racist. It is the same more or less everywhere, not just MTL.
The agency Mae88 has a no black clients policy for all ladies. XXXtase individually list which ladies do not see black men.
“It makes them feel safer is” …how accurate that actually is…wtv. Can’t stop seeing white men even if you have a bad experience with one…to many clients would be lost.
Vog actually does have a few woman that dont see black !! The booker will say that they are not chocolate fridendly !!
Everyone forgets about the most important thing, sex workers can blacklist Black clients because the majority of clients are White. Even if an escort has had bad experience with White customers she cannot afford to blacklist White customers she will loose 90% of her revenue. Everyone made valid points, we cannot pinpoint as to a singular reason, each sw has her own position on that.
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