No Black men

[CLOUD 500]

So, racist if you do… and racist if you don’t! Sounds like woke logic

I am against wokeness because the left use it as a tool to manipulate and control. However Anna Bijou is 100% correct in what she posted. I seen it myself, I seen racist people have sex/date people that they have racist thoughts against. I even seen couples like that. As defined on Google: Fetishization can be thought of as the act of making someone an object of sexual desire based on some aspect of their identity.

What Is Fetishization And How Does It Contribute To Racism?

It is not uncommon for a person on social media to state their dating preferences, and while on the surface it may seem benign and even complimentary, often times these “preferences” can actually reinforce harmful stereotypes that are already held about different groups.

www.forbes.com

^^^^^ Here is a great article on the subject.

 

[bimma328]

Awww, you're using a buzzword instead of thinking about a different point of view. Aren't you original!

It's not really that complicated if you understand the difference between attraction and fetishization. and are capable of self-reflection as to why you might be fetishizing if this is the case.

If by woke you mean being open to understanding there are other perspectives and experiences than mine and I will never fully understand because I exist in a white body, then I guess so. If it means I can listen and learn about the experiences of people who exist in non-white bodies, then sure. If it also means that I'm capable of realizing that there are many layers to everything and that the present is a product of the past, then that's accurate. If it also means I can do this with an open mind, get over myself, and not take everything as a personal attack, then yes.

Bonus: If it means I change how I view things after listening, then absolutely. If it means my default is empathy and not a need to reject and control, then I guess I'm 100% trying my best to be "woke". I personally just call it trying to be a good human but if you prefer woke, you can call it woke.

Btw we live in a racist system, so all of us, including myself, have some level of racism, whether internalized or not. The idea of being a good human is to try to understand that and change it.

I'll keep an open mind about you in spite of your use of the word 'woke' and failure to even try to give some thought to my comments before responding the way you did. Maybe you'll surprise me.

I've heard many times SP's say they don't like black ppl because they wanna bang for 30-60 min non stop. They prefer the 5min caucasian boy . Also many got robbed by blacks so not a stereotype!

 

[Anna Bijou]

I've heard many times SP's say they don't like black ppl because they wanna bang for 30-60 min non stop. They prefer the 5min caucasian boy . Also many got robbed by blacks so not a stereotype!

You just literally described what stereotyping is...so, uh, thanks for saving me the trouble, I guess.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I've heard many times SP's say they don't like black ppl because they wanna bang for 30-60 min non stop. They prefer the 5min caucasian boy . Also many got robbed by blacks so not a stereotype!

That is a stereotype kind of like when ppl say black men got a huge dick. Lol Come on? Get real. Who can bang for that long? (30-60 mins). Average length of sex is about 8 mins after that you get a SOG.

Average length of sex ->

Ask the Doc: What's a 'normal' length of time to last during sex?

www.healthymale.org.au

Average penis size by country ->

Penis Size by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

Although I personally have practiced interracial dating and interracial arrangements/escort meetings and have a certain level of sympathy for black men who are arbitrarily excluded from a client pool, I also think there is a certain pointlessness to this and the half dozen or so past threads on the same topic of black men being restricted. First, there seems to be a misogynist notion coursing through some of the posts that clients are "entitled" to see any woman they want to see, the SP shouldn't have any say in the matter and the SP should somehow be stopped from restricting those whom they've chosen to restrict. There is no such entitlement to see any SP, and nothing is going to be changed by posting these kinds of threads. I remember when I was in high school a certain subset of women would not date me because I was too short. You can't get upset over such things, you just move on to the women who don't have objections to dating a shorter guy. And the black clients need to do the same thing. The endless tooth gnashing isn't going to change anything.

I remember one poster in one of these threads was a black man who discussed how he had dealt with racism in his life. He said he used it as fuel to have a positive attitude and positive energy in his dealings with those who slighted him so as to overcome their slights and change their hearts and minds with his positive energy and attitude. He said that it had worked and enabled him to advance in his employment and in his social life. I wish I could remember in what thread I read that post, because it's worth quoting and reposting again and again and again.

 

[Doc Holliday]

there seems to be a misogynist notion coursing through some of the posts that clients are "entitled" to see any woman they want to see, the SP shouldn't have any say in the matter and the SP should somehow be stopped from restricting those whom they've chosen to restrict. There is no such entitlement to see any SP, and nothing is going to be changed by posting these kinds of threads.

I agree. Everyone is free to see whom they wish or do not wish to see. Of course i’m aware that many girls in this business have felt they had no choice in the matter & this is wrong. If they feel pressured into certain situations they are uncomfortable with they should say so without fear of retaliation & should leave & go work elsewhere if this isn’t the case.

Several years ago i had read a review about a new girl in the biz which totally trashed her. The review was fairly short since the girl hadn’t stayed in the room very long after arriving & had left, which angered the guy & in his review he accused her of being a racist since he was from a different ethnicity than hers. I remember her having beautiful pictures on the site & she caught the eye of many. However that review turned off a lot of people from seeing her. But i was curious so i decided to see her.

When she arrived i noticed that she was indeed very attractive & that she was shy. I enjoyed the conversation we had & once she got used to me she relaxed & the shyness went away. We actually ended up having a great time together although i could tell that she was fairly new to this business. But i kinda liked that. Late into our date i brought up the bad review. She explained her side of the story & that it had absolutely nothing to do with the person’s skin color. She said that as soon as she entered his room she detected that this was one fucked up person & he made her very uncomfortable. That’s when she made the decision of leaving the room & never to return. She didn’t feel comfortable to remain with this person. So she left. She later learned that the guy had posted a very bad review of her & had accused her of being a racist. I believed her version. But even if I hadn’t i’ve always believed that people should be free to see or refuse whomever they want. It’s a free country & the same rules should also apply to anyone involved in this business. Everyone has different tastes.

 

[Anna Bijou]

@Doc Holliday

You had a great post earlier. I went to like it and got an error because you'd deleted it

Anyway, I enjoyed reading it

 

[Anna Bijou]

Of course we have the right to choose not to see certain clients. The men who think they're owed our time & we don't get a say in who we see because they're paying need to get a clue. Like most SP's I've known, I decline a fair number of requests. There's a big difference between declining an individual for something he's said or done and having a ban on an entire ethnic background or skin color - based on racism.

I don't think anyone thinks a SP should be forced to see anyone she says she does not. It's her choice. However it can't be described as a benign personal preference. It's racist, there's no way to get around that.

I'm not sure how we can compare being short in high school to being black because those are not even a tiny bit comparable.

I am glad that the man described was able to do well in spite of all the racism he faced in life. Imagine how even better he might have done without racism demanding more energy, resilience, learning to cope with trauma, unfairness and harms caused by racist actions and words.

I'm glad for him but the solution isn't that POC should just learn to do things the way he has so they can rise above the racism they face to be successful.

This is completely missing the point. It is not a solution to simply leave the burden got POC to 'overcome' racism against them. Its the rest of us who have to change, put in the work to have a world where no one has to live with racist aggressions and every day reminders that our world was created by and for whites.

Getting back to some SP policies banning black men. Everyone is entitled to personal preference or taste but one that is based on race is racist. There's no other definition, that's exactly what what it is.

Again, I am not perfect and like everyone I am a product of our racist system. I know I've still got some internalized racist beliefs and other behaviors I haven't questioned yet that are so deep into the system.

I've dated all kinds of ethnicities, backgrounds, or skin shades: Asian, black, brown from Colombian to Sri Lankan, Greek, Ashkenazi Jewish, Italian, Austrian+German, Jordanian, Lebanese, Bangladeshi, blue-eyed white, Afghan, and Indigenous...

My preference happens to be men. Beyond that, my preferences are about personality and the types of person someone is. I am not color blind, because I see colors just fine. I do not factor race, skin color, ethnicity in my relationships, whether romantic, sexual or platonic.


Imo there's no neutral racial preference. It may not be deliberate but internalized racism is still racism.


xo

 

[Sic92]

All the time I've been with escorts applying this policy, I've always asked them the question. This is what usually came about:

-Bad behaviors
-Bad hygiene
-Endowement issues

It sucks because not all black guys fits with one or more of these categories but it seems that the no-black men thing is a racism totally accepted within the escort community.

A lot of the girls that ended up not accepting black men have told me they used to accept them in the beginning until they started to get bad experiences. Which sucks for the majority of black men who happen to be nice people that didn't ask nothing.

 

[Sic92]

I've made this point in a roundabout way the gazillion times this topic has come up. Why is it only black men carrying the burden for other black men's bad behavior when I can bet my life some segment of all ethnicities also behave badly? This is all to say the "I don't see ALL black men because I had (a) bad experience(s) with..." rationale to be the shakiest one if you think about it enough. I'm sure the real reasons are myriad, including this rationale that generalizes every black guy.

But for the love of Beelzebub, ignore anyone who won't see you because of your race. The main entry fees in this business are money, good hygiene and behavior. If you possess all three and happen to be black, you still have options with many SPs where your race doesn't matter to them.

I never got it though. As if those ladies will turn down a good looking, well educated and well groomed black dude who is moreover jacked and has a decent personality while normally accepting a balding fat and smelly white dude from Hochelaga with poor hygiene who acts very cocky and nasty toward them..Makes no sense to me.

 

[malboro_man]

Academics tell us that there is no such thing as race:

Why Are We Divided by Race When There Is No Such Thing?

The notion of race may be real, but the science is not. We are all the same, with no exceptions.

www.newsweek.com

Yet, there is so much racism going around: institutional racism, systemic racism, internalized racism (what else did I forget?).

So which one is it? Race does not exist yet there is so much racism.

It's like the government telling us everything is transparent and free of corruption. But there are many closed door dealings. So which one is it?

 

[martell]

Of course we have the right to choose not to see certain clients. The men who think they're owed our time & we don't get a say in who we see because they're paying need to get a clue. Like most SP's I've known, I decline a fair number of requests. There's a big difference between declining an individual for something he's said or done and having a ban on an entire ethnic background or skin color - based on racism.

I don't think anyone thinks a SP should be forced to see anyone she says she does not. It's her choice. However it can't be described as a benign personal preference. It's racist, there's no way to get around that.

I'm not sure how we can compare being short in high school to being black because those are not even a tiny bit comparable.

I am glad that the man described was able to do well in spite of all the racism he faced in life. Imagine how even better he might have done without racism demanding more energy, resilience, learning to cope with trauma, unfairness and harms caused by racist actions and words.

I'm glad for him but the solution isn't that POC should just learn to do things the way he has so they can rise above the racism they face to be successful.

This is completely missing the point. It is not a solution to simply leave the burden got POC to 'overcome' racism against them. Its the rest of us who have to change, put in the work to have a world where no one has to live with racist aggressions and every day reminders that our world was created by and for whites.

Getting back to some SP policies banning black men. Everyone is entitled to personal preference or taste but one that is based on race is racist. There's no other definition, that's exactly what what it is.

Again, I am not perfect and like everyone I am a product of our racist system. I know I've still got some internalized racist beliefs and other behaviors I haven't questioned yet that are so deep into the system.

I've dated all kinds of ethnicities, backgrounds, or skin shades: Asian, black, brown from Colombian to Sri Lankan, Greek, Ashkenazi Jewish, Italian, Austrian+German, Jordanian, Lebanese, Bangladeshi, blue-eyed white, Afghan, and Indigenous...

My preference happens to be men. Beyond that, my preferences are about personality and the types of person someone is. I am not color blind, because I see colors just fine. I do not factor race, skin color, ethnicity in my relationships, whether romantic, sexual or platonic.


Imo there's no neutral racial preference. It may not be deliberate but internalized racism is still racism.


xo

Another way of seeing things: it is the responsibility of the new comers to adapt to the locals and not the reverse. You can't force people to not have racist preferences. Whites are the only one in the world who welcome everyone out of their misery only to be told we are not welcoming enough. This is all just a social experiment in the end: we have no idea of the viability of that multicultural project we are being force-fed.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Another way of seeing things: it is the responsibility of the new comers to adapt to the locals and not the reverse. You can't force people to not have racist preferences. Whites are the only one in the world who welcome everyone out of their misery only to be told we are not welcoming enough. This is all just a social experiment in the end: we have no idea of the viability of that multicultural project we are being force-fed.

I never said you could force people to not have racist preferences. I said you can't force people to pretend they're not racist preferences when they are. Then it's on them if they choose not to work on why or if they do nothing about it. Pretty basic stuff.

 

[just some guy]

I don't think anyone thinks a SP should be forced to see anyone she says she does not. It's her choice. However it can't be described as a benign personal preference. It's racist, there's no way to get around that.

I think its more complicated than that. You speak in absolutes, which is totally irrational on your part. I would think very little of it has to do with racism but more of a comfort level of the escort. If you are truly a racist, is escorting the right trade for you in a multi cultural society ? I would think not. Why do we have Indy's always asking for references now a days ? Quite bizarre. When I see a new client ,I don't ask them for references before I take the contract and I'm sure a future employee does not ask his boss for references before accepting employment. So my point is I don't see escorting as a regular line of work, and all the reasons mentioned I believe are true/valid for different girls for different reasons and to avoid any idea of cognitive distortion, "what I believe".

From my experiences, a long time ago , I saw a total of 3 black escorts. There was always an issue of poor service, hygiene, or just a hustle. After that I refused to see anymore Black girls. Just wasn't comfortable with it based on my experiences.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Academics tell us that there is no such thing as race:

Why Are We Divided by Race When There Is No Such Thing?

The notion of race may be real, but the science is not. We are all the same, with no exceptions.

www.newsweek.com

Yet, there is so much racism going around: institutional racism, systemic racism, internalized racism (what else did I forget?).

So which one is it? Race does not exist yet there is so much racism.

It's like the government telling us everything is transparent and free of corruption. But there are many closed door dealings. So which one is it?

I understand the impulse to say, even from a scientific perspective, there is no such thing as race. It's an attempt to create a colorblind world. But I've never understood it.

For starters, all humans are genetically similar. But there are a few differences. It's genes that code for melanocytes that make Black, South Asian/Pacific and Hispanic people darker. Similarly, it's the absence of that gene expression that make white people lighter in skin and hair. It's the same with being Jewish (a religion AND ethnicity). For example, a set of haplotypes (a set of genes inherited together) were used to prove this African tribe that had Jewish traditions did in fact have Jewish ancestry.

There are some other examples of metabolic differences too, like how black people are more prone to diabetes partly because of genes or like how Asian people are more prone to flushed faces after drinking because they mostly inherit a variant of the enzyme that breaks down alcohol.

So suffice to say, there are ultimately superficial differences between "races." It's when you assert on a social level as supremacists have done that one skin color is superior to another that things get hairy. The one constant in humanity is conflict. Even in societies where every shares the same skin color, humans always find ways to be at odds over tribes, politics, people who wouldn't fuck Rihanna vs those with good taste etc. That isn't to excuse racism in any way but to say, sadly, we always find a way to have an us vs them.

 

[martell]

I think its more complicated than that. You speak in absolutes, which is totally irrational on your part. I would think very little of it has to do with racism but more of a comfort level of the escort. If you are truly a racist, is escorting the right trade for you in a multi cultural society ? I would think not. Why do we have Indy's always asking for references now a days ? Quite bizarre. When I see a new client ,I don't ask them for references before I take the contract and I'm sure a future employee does not ask his boss for references before accepting employment. So my point is I don't see escorting as a regular line of work, and all the reasons mentioned I believe are true/valid for different girls for different reasons and to avoid any idea of cognitive distortion, "what I believe".

From my experiences, a long time ago , I saw a total of 3 black escorts. There was always an issue of poor service, hygiene, or just a hustle. After that I refused to see anymore Black girls. Just wasn't comfortable with it based on my experiences.

From her perspective, using your previous experiences with 3 SPs as a basis to judge future encounters with black SPs is racist in itself. You have clearly developed a negative prejudice about black SPs (which imo is 100% warranted), that can be called racist. The question is why are everyone so afraid of having racist preferences? it's completely normal, most people do, it is an extreme minority that have no prejudice against any races, and these people tend to be very ideology driven and separated from the real world.

 

[Anna Bijou]

I think its more complicated than that. You speak in absolutes, which is totally irrational on your part. I would think very little of it has to do with racism but more of a comfort level of the escort. If you are truly a racist, is escorting the right trade for you in a multi cultural society ? I would think not. Why do we have Indy's always asking for references now a days ? Quite bizarre. When I see a new client ,I don't ask them for references before I take the contract and I'm sure a future employee does not ask his boss for references before accepting employment. So my point is I don't see escorting as a regular line of work, and all the reasons mentioned I believe are true/valid for different girls for different reasons and to avoid any idea of cognitive distortion, "what I believe".

From my experiences, a long time ago , I saw a total of 3 black escorts. There was always an issue of poor service, hygiene, or just a hustle. After that I refused to see anymore Black girls. Just wasn't comfortable with it based on my experiences.

Either something is based on racist beliefs or its not. There's no in between. There's nothing irrational about that. It doesn't have to be someone's intention. They don't have to be explicitly racist. Racism comes in many forms and implicit bias or racism is still harmful .

It's actually totally rational and you haven't shown its not.

The definition can include a lot of different scenarios :

Racism:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Or;
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

.....

What in the world do some Indy screening methods have anything to do with this. And are you seriously comparing your work to ours? If you really need me to explain, it might have to do with the higher risks of one of our clients being violent or abusive. Also, do you get naked and place yourself in a potentially vulnerable position with your clients?

Question: Did your employer ask you for references? (Clients aren't our bosses, I don't know why you're making that comparison.) Your landlord? Ever? Did you find it so weird then?



....


Now if trying to convince me that you have never had any bad experiences with white escorts or that if you did, you would attribute it to them being white and never see another white escort... we both know that would *never* happen.

So tell me how rational it is to do it in the case of black escorts. Give me a rational explanation other than one based on race. Because it's based on race, would not happen if that race was white, so it is by definition racism. I get that you don't want to see yourself as a racist but you can't pretend race has nothing to do with it. The "my experience" thing is a cop out unless it would apply for white escorts.

 

[Anna Bijou]

A lot of the girls that ended up not accepting black men have told me they used to accept them in the beginning until they started to get bad experiences. Which sucks for the majority of black men who happen to be nice people that didn't ask nothing.

I call bs. If that were true, don't you think all of us would have that policy and those experiences? The bad experiences I've had have been almost all white men. It's absolute nonsense. As mentioned elsewhere, if that were truly not about race, why aren't we seeing No whites policies?

I buy the pimp explanation mentioned previously. Other than that, it's just racism

 

[Anna Bijou]

Academics tell us that there is no such thing as race:

Why Are We Divided by Race When There Is No Such Thing?

The notion of race may be real, but the science is not. We are all the same, with no exceptions.

www.newsweek.com

Yet, there is so much racism going around: institutional racism, systemic racism, internalized racism (what else did I forget?).

So which one is it? Race does not exist yet there is so much racism.

It's like the government telling us everything is transparent and free of corruption. But there are many closed door dealings. So which one is it?

That was an interesting read but I'm not sure what you're saying.

It's not a secret that there are no biological races & humans are all humans - no subspecies exist. Which is WHY racism is not actually based on any real (biological) racial differences. It's why racism is not based on anything real.

And it's why racists who still persist in creating a line and hierarchy do so out of ignorance and stupid outdated beliefs and rationalizations "white/European are more advanced, civilized & colonization (" conquering") is the proof of our superiority.

It was perhaps more understandable when we lacked the education, scientific knowledge to question those ideas. And why it's frankly embarrassing to believe it in 2022. But not everyone cares to question anything they're taught and some people have a need to believe in a hierarchy in which they sit at the top, as superiors. They're too invested in the belief of their superiority and it serves as a simple starting point for much of their understanding of things. Giving it up means having to replace a whole set of beliefs and a way of seeing the world they live in. It means being uncomfortable and giving up a lot of privilege with the conviction that it's deserved.

So realistically, it's very unlikely someone like that is going to change their mind, so there isn't much point in trying to convince. Our energy is better spent challenging the more subtle or invisible ways we perpetuate racism without realizing.

Thus, given current scientific data, biological races do not exist among modern humans today, and they have never existed in the past. Given such clear scientific evidence as this and the research data of so many other biologists, anthropologists, and geneticists that demonstrate the nonexistence of biological races among humans, how can the "myth" of human races still persist?

If races do not exist as a biological reality, why do so many people still believe that they do? In fact, even though biological races do not exist, the concept of race obviously is still a reality, as is racism. These are prevalent and persistent elements of our everyday lives and generally accepted aspects of our culture.

Thus, the concept of human races is real. It is not a biological reality, however, but a cultural one. Race is not a part of our biology, but it is definitely a part of our culture. Race and racism are deeply ingrained in our history.

And with that, I leave you guys to continue this discussion.

xo

 

[Anna Bijou]

From her perspective, using your previous experiences with 3 SPs as a basis to judge future encounters with black SPs is racist in itself. You have clearly developed a negative prejudice about black SPs (which imo is 100% warranted), that can be called racist. The question is why are everyone so afraid of having racist preferences? it's completely normal, most people do, it is an extreme minority that have no prejudice against any races, and these people tend to be very ideology driven and separated from the real world.

Tell me you never challenge your beliefs without telling me you never challenge your beliefs. Thank you for demonstrating my point.