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[Flabert]

Same. I'm not going to argue with racist people, I'm out.

I have seen stereotypes in this thread but limited arguing (but I do miss parts of threads as I don’t go back to catch all posts).

So what is the solution? I am neither black nor a provider so it can’t come from me…

For asians refusing to see whites, I expressed my personal solution: respect their choice of course but also treat everyone with respect (providers and civilians at large) in the hope of improving how asians perceive white men

 

[Doc Holliday]

I have seen stereotypes in this thread but limited arguing (but I do miss parts of threads as I don’t go back to catch all posts).

So what is the solution? I am neither black nor a provider so it can’t come from me…

For asians refusing to see whites, I expressed my personal solution: respect their choice of course but also treat everyone with respect (providers and civilians at large) in the hope of improving how asians perceive white men

I’ve been a member of this board since the day it first appeared about twenty years ago. This discussion has regularly appeared every few years & has seen its share of controversy. Although the comments are always mostly similar i keep finding out new things. For example this is the first time i’ve heard of white clients being refused by some asian sps. That’s definitely a new one for me. But how should i know i’ve never been with an asian sp in my entire life. As far as i know.

The bottom line is that an sp should always be free to see whoever she wants. You can’t or shouldn’t force a person to see an individual she doesn’t feel comfortable seeing. Years ago i personally witnessed an agency owner ordering an sp to see a client (or a type of client) that she wasn’t comfortable seeing. She was told that this is the nature of the business & to deal with it. When i was asked for my input thinking i’d side with the booker i replied “No one should be forced to see a client or a type of client that they are not comfortable seeing. An sp should be free to see whomever she wants.” The reaction i got was one of surprise & i was told if that philosophy was adopted regularly no one would be working half the time. I replied “Maybe but will you be better off if the girls end up leaving you to work for other agencies?” I didn’t get a reply. Bottom line i still believe that the ladies should be free to decide who they want to see or not. It sucks for some but that’s life. There are plenty of fish out there to satisfy everyone’s needs!

 

[CaptRenault]

The bottom line is that an sp should always be free to see whoever she wants...

They also deserve not to have accusations of racism hurled at them by other escorts who do not even know them. Escorts who choose not to see black clients have legitimate fears for their own safety that are based on facts and not prejudice.

 

[The Mac]

Pattern recognition is not racism it’s how the human race managed to stay alive. Sex workers live in reality where a simple mistake could prove fatal not inside a Reddit echo chamber and if they choose not to see a certain type of people it’s their decision and we should respect this.

 

[Doc Holliday]

They also deserve not to have accusations of racism hurled at them by other escorts who do not even know them. Escorts who choose not to see black clients have legitimate fears for their own safety that are based on facts and not prejudice.

Very true.

 

[haberbosch25]

All people should have the freedom to associate with who they want to, not just sex workers.

 

[Anna Bijou]

All people should have the freedom to associate with who they want to, not just sex workers.

And no one is saying they don't have that right?

Pattern recognition is not racism it’s how the human race managed to stay alive. Sex workers live in reality where a simple mistake could prove fatal not inside a Reddit echo chamber and if they choose not to see a certain type of people it’s their decision and we should respect this.

The issue isn't about respecting a SW decision.
It's about recognizing they have the right to see who they want. Just not to pretend it's not rooted in racism.


But... Speaking of pattern recognition?

Am back in Vancouver for work. Asian only for many, many providers.

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they probably don't speak English, right?!


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[Skym]

Katrina Vianna

 

[Flabert]

And no one is saying they don't have that right?






The issue isn't about respecting a SW decision.
It's about recognizing they have the right to see who they want. Just not to pretend it's not rooted in racism.


But... Speaking of pattern recognition?




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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they probably don't speak English, right?!


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Not at all on the English.

“asians” escorts and clients in vancouver can be chinese, korean, japanese, vietnamese, thai, etc. They often don’t share a common language. Breaking news: Asian is not a language, even Chinese in vancouver is a 50% coin flip (cantonese and mandarin).

Asian escorts almost ALL don’t see black clients. About 20% see indian clients. About 70% see white clients and they all see asian clients.

 

[Flabert]

And no one is saying they don't have that right?






The issue isn't about respecting a SW decision.
It's about recognizing they have the right to see who they want. Just not to pretend it's not rooted in racism.


But... Speaking of pattern recognition?




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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they probably don't speak English, right?!


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On a funny note, a lot of whites men in Vancouver have yellow fever and speak enough mandarin to date mainland women. That does not help getting an appointment with “asian only” women.

Having the agency confirm that the white client has a penis of average asian size has helped in some cases but that is hearsay, not first hand experience

 

[Lexus3]

On a funny note, a lot of whites men in Vancouver have yellow fever and speak enough mandarin to date mainland women. That does not help getting an appointment with “asian only” women.

Having the agency confirm that the white client has a penis of average asian size has helped in some cases but that is hearsay, not first hand experience

Best to always be nice with the booker, even if you are out of town.

 

[Flabert]

And no one is saying they don't have that right?






The issue isn't about respecting a SW decision.
It's about recognizing they have the right to see who they want. Just not to pretend it's not rooted in racism.


But... Speaking of pattern recognition?




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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they probably don't speak English, right?!


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Assuming you are right that white clients cause more problems per encounter than black clients (quite a stretch)…

Why are female providers turning down black/indian clients and rarely whites? Why do *non-white* providers often do the same?

Don’t they love money? Racism rarely gets in the way of money.

I still think we all need to act with respect and slowly turn prejudice against us by being an exemple of why that prejudice is unfounded.

 

[Julia Sky]

Assuming you are right that white clients cause more problems per encounter than black clients (quite a stretch)…

Why are female providers turning down black/indian clients and rarely whites? Why do *non-white* providers often do the same?

Don’t they love money? Racism rarely gets in the way of money.

I still think we all need to act with respect and slowly turn prejudice against us by being an exemple of why that prejudice is unfounded.

I'm so curious, why are you saying "quite a stretch"? Why does it sound so unlikely to you, when the majority of clients are white in the first place so the chances are higher by default? (And in asking this question, I think I've answered yours. Can you imagine if these girls refused the clientele that makes up 80% of the client pool? Lol)

 

[Flabert]

I'm so curious, why are you saying "quite a stretch"? Why does it sound so unlikely to you, when the majority of clients are white in the first place so the chances are higher by default? (And in asking this question, I think I've answered yours. Can you imagine if these girls refused the clientele that makes up 80% of the client pool? Lol)

I said “problems per encounter” to remove the fact that there more white people in Montreal. Assuming that white people are 80% of the client pool are you assuming they cause *over* 80% of the problems? Of course not, why else would they be welcomed everywhere (including with black providers).

Am sure Chinese people cause more problems with providers in China (since they are a billion) but what matters to a provider is the risk per encounter.

Why would a provider bar a minority (let’s say left handed people to not make it about race) if that minority provides a better client experience? Makes no sense.

 

[Julia Sky]

I said “problems per encounter” to y the fact that there more white people in Montreal. Assuming that white people are 80% of the client pool are you assuming they cause *over* 80% of the problems? Of course not, why else would they be welcomed everywhere (including with black providers).

Am sure Chinese people cause more problems with providers in China (since they are a billion) but what matters to a provider is the risk per encounter.

Why would a provider bar a minority (let’s say left handed people to not make it about race) if that minority provides a better client experience? Makes no sense.

"Why else would they be welcome everywhere" because they make up a huge percentage of the client pool. We JUST had this conversation! Lol. Why would so many escorts see black men if they were so awful? Do you think those of us who don't discriminate just hate ourselves so much that we constantly see men who are violent just for the fun of it?

Why would a provider ban an entire race? Racism is why.

 

[Zzyzx]

I'm not a SP but I worked customer service before and I have a take on this. I'm not a racist at all, if anything I always thought the best customers were black. Not only because they spent what was necessary but their
paperwork was always cleaner and better organized than with white folks and it made my job so much easier. That being said some had a particular smell that I personally didn't find very pleasant. And the vast majority
of them wore WAY too much perfume. There are also a few that will pull out the race card for any reason even when totally unjustified.

 

[talkinghead]

These threads are always, always cringy--and worse. So let me make a suggestion to any and all: it's never a good idea to declare "I'm not a racist." First, that the assertion is usually followed by blatantly racist statements. But the deeper problem is that it's meaningless. No one thinks they're racist, even the most retrograde white supremacist. I've read plenty of blatantly racist comments out here and not one of them was made by someone who thought they were being racist.