Paris attacks

[hungry101]

Good Christian logic ?
Do you include the Crusades, Spanish inquisition....how about the Protestant vs Catholic wars in Ireland?
MOST RELIGIONS , historically speaking, have no logic.

That is what religion is for. It is to control people. When logic fails you can always use religion. One of my close friends told me after I asked a few too many questions about Islam that we consider questioning the tenets of Islam as blasphamy. So there you have it.

I will say that Christianity has been pretty good in recent history. I will put it up against Islam any day.

Weren't the first crusades in response to the Muslim conquest of Asia Minor, Spain, and Portugal? If fact the entire idea of the crusades was after the Moors sacked part of Rome.

http://www.usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/crusades_timeline.htm

I know what the left would say. If we would of left Spain and Portugal in the hands of Islam we would of had the moral authority. Fuck that. It's us or them. They were doing some polling of the populace in the Middle East and asking the local muslims if a woman should be stoned for adultry? Over 60% agreed. If they want to hold onto these tenets than fuck em all. Most Catholics I know go to church and walk out of there an hour later and they are just like the rest of us. They leave it at the door. I like this. No suicide vests no roadside bombs and no mercy killings. Fuck em.

 

[themonk83]

And our newly elected schoolboy PM wants to import them. Enough said.

Wake the fuck up.

and that is why you screened harder instead of closing it.

just because something very tragic happened doesn't mean that we have to lose our fucking humanity. my parents fled the fucking vietnamese war. if it weren't for countries opening up their doors to welcome them, they'd be dead just like the rest who are trying to flee.

sure, they'll be bad apples here and there but general consensus is those who flee, especially the young ones, hopefully will amount to great things. that is what makes countries great and the world great

 

[minutemenX]

and that is why you screened harder instead of closing it.

just because something very tragic happened doesn't mean that we have to lose our fucking humanity. my parents fled the fucking vietnamese war. if it weren't for countries opening up their doors to welcome them, they'd be dead just like the rest who are trying to flee.

sure, they'll be bad apples here and there but general consensus is those who flee, especially the young ones, hopefully will amount to great things. that is what makes countries great and the world great

There is some “small” difference. I never heard of the suicide Vietnamese killing and terrorizing civilians…. Nobody is proposing to shut the door completely, but screening 25 thousand people many of whom has dubious IDs or some not any at all and when there is no trust to information obtained from their homelands at war and in 2 months is shear stupidity and borderline criminal negligence. Again, how you screen? I bet most of the Paris attackers do not have any bad records that you can find by screening. So let us sacrifice public safety for some political correctness and “compassion”. Sure you will feel temporary good and proud until…

 

[panthere]

Je suis pas raciste ....mais LA j'en ai royalement MARRE.....j'en dirai pas plus car le contenus de ce que je dirai me ferai certes bannir....Vivre le patriotisme.
P.S.nous sommes next ces sûres et on en accueil à peleter ces temps ci...ça me degoute.

 

[hungry101]

and that is why you screened harder instead of closing

sure, they'll be bad apples here and there but general consensus is those who flee, especially the young ones, hopefully will amount to great things. that is what makes countries great and the world great

Who screened the Boston Marathon bombers? I'm sure they were innocent refugees at one time. After all the education, welfare, health care etc...they plant bombs at a race? I know, I know, it wouldn't of happend in Canada because your government had the forsight to outlaw pressure cookers and ball bearings.


Better they stay the hell over there. If you have compassion send them some Canadian MREs.

 

[gugu]

Better they stay the hell over there. If you have compassion send them some Canadian MREs.

Who are "they"? Refugees? Migrants? Muslim migrants? Syrian migrants?

 

[bigjean]

Je suis pas raciste ....mais LA j'en ai royalement MARRE.....j'en dirai pas plus car le contenus de ce que je dirai me ferai certes bannir....Vivre le patriotisme.
P.S.nous sommes next ces sûres et on en accueil à peleter ces temps ci...ça me degoute.

Pas si sûr, il n'en a pas tant que ça de ces DAESH qui on un passeport canadien en Syrie et qui pourrait revenir tout faire péter comme en Europe.
Moi je me pose la question suivante : Comment on peut garocher des bombes sur un pays et en MÊME TEMPS acceuillir les réfugiés?? Ça peut juste pas fonctionner.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

My thought for the day.

I can picture a phone call between the president of Russian and France, Gerard Hollande making the call....
Hollande: Vladimir, what are you doing in the near future.
Putin: Planning a massive troop move, care to join Gerard?
Hollande: Glad you asked, of course I will join you.
Hollande: Should we invite Canada?
Putin: Yes, call Justine, maybe she will bring a salad or something.
Hollande: When ISIS bombs Canada should we assist?
Putin: Of course, we will sent warm jackets and sympathy.
Hollande: I like your style Vlad....

We need to assist in the fight a lot more.
Just my opinion.

 

[gugu]

Gerard? tsssst tsssst. It's spelled Gérard.

 

[hungry101]

Who are "they"? Refugees? Migrants? Muslim migrants? Syrian migrants?

All of the above. We have no idea what we are getting.

 

[gugu]

All of the above. We have no idea what we are getting.

Fine. So:

1 Canada takes back it's signature of the Refugee Convention of which we are part since 1951.

2 Canada, refusing all migrants, isolates itself completely and fucks up it's economy.


Patron: supposing you find a way to determine that a specific migrant does not practice islam, you grant him citizenship conditional of his engagement that he does not start practicing islam once a citizen. In those conditions, should we:

1 amend the Charter of rights to withdraw the freedom of some citizens (first migrant generation or second and third?) the freedom to practice one specific religion and/or

2 make islam illegal in Canada?

I'm more then then an atheist, I'm anti religion, all of them, but not to the point of making them illegal, but I'd cut all privilege they have, particularly any fiscal advantage at any level of government.

Hungry says no migrants, not even refugees. You say no Muslims. I'm just trying to foresee the economic and legal consequences.

 

[smuler]

I am not anti-immigrant.

Neither am I , as long as they came here the right way, like my parents and grandparents did..the legal way

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[Garotalover]

Isn't it telling that the Islamic countries are refusing to take in these refugees? Probably because the various sects of Islam hate each other to the point of blowing up each other's Mosques. And all we hear from Presidents Bush and Obama is what a peaceful religion Islam is. Remember the 1980s war between Iran and Iraq? It solved absolutely nothing but wiped out about 2 million people between the 2 countries.
Watch this beautiful Muslim woman who has a death warrant on her head for violating SHARIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEPwxfaZDT8

 

[iSpartacus]

Cloudsurf. Nice to see you got my point. You forgot American Indian genocide, witch burnings, Vatican siding with dictators. More. Not so squeaky clean Hungry.

Hungry. No! Google Jerusalem/Crusades.

The point I am making is that when a government lets a group into a country in large numbers, the local populace does not welcome them, and they do not have the opportunity to do needed work and prosper, you are inviting one hell of a problem.

You mean like the Irish, Italians, Spanish, French, Greeks, Russians and more. 1. Right. They were not accepted immediately. Considered outsiders and enemies. 2. Wrong. They adapted, Americanized, became contributing citizens.

At first very hard. Seen as alien, subhuman. Success happened very slowly. The Muslim issue isn't much different. Catholics were lice. Other outsiders worse. Now it's Muslims. Next zombies. lol.

 

[hungry101]

Cloudsurf. Nice to see you got my point. You forgot American Indian genocide, witch burnings, Vatican siding with dictators. More. Not so squeaky clean Hungry.

Hungry. No! Google Jerusalem/Crusades.



You mean like the Irish, Italians, Spanish, French, Greeks, Russians and more. 1. Right. They were not accepted immediately. Considered outsiders and enemies. 2. Wrong. They adapted, Americanized, became contributing citizens.

At first very hard. Seen as alien, subhuman. Success happened very slowly. The Muslim issue isn't much different. Catholics were lice. Other outsiders worse. Now it's Muslims. Next zombies. lol.

Not all Sparticus. Some of this was the reconquest of Spain and Portugal as well as Asia Minor because they were conquered by Islam.

I think the Muslim issue is much different. Praying 8 times a day, the minuet and the call to prayer that can sound like someone steped on a goat, taking up to 4 wives, honor killings of daughters and neices, the stoning of women etc. etc. They are going to be a difficult challange to assimilate into our culture. How many Isis agents are planted amongst the refugees? How can you tell who's who? Why can't they help them over there? Why not Saudi Arabia or some country over there?

But Gugu is correct it could be good for your economy especially the construction and rehab industry after they detonate their suicide belts, backpacks, and car bombs.

 

[harwell1690]

Still, for now, we need to say some simple words.

Vive la France. I love Paris.

No to terrorism. No.

 

[CaptRenault]

The beginning of the administration of former drama teacher and now PM Justin Trudeau was not supposed to be like this.

Drop the selfies, rise to the challenge
torontosun.com
Sunday, November 15, 2015

Our newly minted prime minister is posing for selfies with adoring admirers while the western world grapples with the latest act of terror by the Islamic State death cult.

The juxtaposition is perhaps unfair to a new and popular leader gaining his first international exposure, but it nonetheless underscores the serious questions suddenly facing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Friday's attack on Paris has brought a screeching halt to the honeymoon tone his government likely expected on this foreign trip.

The glad-handing and platitudes of electioneering must now give way to the harsh reality of governing and style must give way to substance.

So far, his comments have been tepid, and his relative silence over the weekend disappointing, especially when compared to the stronger words of other leaders.

The massacre in Paris has cast an uncomfortable spotlight on two pillar promises of our new government: Its plan to withdraw from Syria and Iraq, as well as its ambitious immigration target.

The optics of scaling back military intervention in the shadow of such a deadly strike are dangerous -- both for the message it sends to our allies and to the extremists.

We do not agree with the prime minister that this is the time to switch to a strictly training and aide role in this conflict.

We believe Canada should stand shoulder to shoulder with our allies -- and that we must do so with more than words.
Now is not the time to deem ISIS the problem of other nations.

The attack also highlights the government's pledge to bring 25,000 Syrian immigrants into this country by year's end.

Let us be clear, the goal of alleviating the worst humanitarian crisis the world has seen in decades is laudable.

Most displaced Syrians are fleeing the very violence that spilled into Paris.

But a rushed process to meet what is a blatantly arbitrary target would be a mistake.

This could not only pose a security risk by allowing insufficiently screened people into this country but also compromise Canadians' good will for future immigration efforts.

It is moments such as these that will test his mettle. We hope he can rise to the challenge. The world, and Canadians, will be watching.

 

[gugu]

Hungry, just so we talk on some common ground, I’ll try to put this in perspective for Québec and Québec only.

We’re a special case in Canada. Immigration is a federal responsibility in Canada but Québec writes it’s rules, determines the number and selects most of it’s immigrants. The reason for this is that Québec insists for good reasons to control the means for the protection of French, you know, that language you find so sexy when you meet girls.

We take around 50000 immigrants each year. Canada takes around 250000. They come from all Continents: Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe. Refugee represent around 10%, thought this changes according to wars and crisis around the world. Economics migrant are 60% and family reunion 25% (all grossly rounded numbers)

We take around 5000 each from China and France, 10000 from Maghreb and less than 5000 each from the Middle East (Iran and Egypt mainly), East Africa, Latin America (Colombia and Mexico mainly).

Muslims represent around 20% of our immigrants. Virtually all are economic migrants, thoroughly screened for working skills and language. And yes, knowledge of French gives a lot of bonus points.

The people coming from Arab countries are among the best integrated immigrants in Québec. They do not form ghettos, most speak French and their kids go to French schools blending perfectly. Kids go to school for at least 12 years. Don’t worry, they get to learn and live our culture and our values.

These people are awesome. They go through the same patterns as any European waves of the 1800 and 1900. They thrive, starting with shitty jobs and playing the mobility rules. They contribute much to our culture and our economy.

It’s totally insane to caricature them as honor killers (15 cases in the last 20 years in Canada), devote prayers 8 times a day, wife beaters, defenders of sharia law. Talk to them for god sake. They despise this shit.

Anti Muslims in Québec are usually anti migrants over all, basically the same base falling for Trump in the USA. They are driven by economic insecurities for many and the fear of terrorism for others, both reasons highly emotional.

ISIL has schools teaching kids how to become suicide bombers. No immigration laws can protect from 9-11 and the Paris events. There are too many ways to go around migration laws, especially for determined suicidal robots.

Terrorism is a geopolitical issue, not a cultural or religious one. The solution lies in the hands of Russia, Iran, France and USA, not immigration.

 

[iSpartacus]

It’s totally insane to caricature them as honor killers (15 cases in the last 20 years in Canada), devote prayers 8 times a day, wife beaters, defenders of sharia law. Talk to them for god sake. They despise this shit.

Agree completely.

I hope the anti Muslim hate stuff reflects anger, not thoughtful opinion. Those and the idea we should have total war as during World War II to hell with the innocents are very disturbing. So much of this stuff about the THEY are so different sounds a lot like how Jews were labeled for thousands of years. They'll never fit in. They don't worship the same. They don't dress the same. They're rituals are strange. They want to destroy Christianity. They are the devil's agents.

Do you realize what kind of people you are thinking and talking like?

Yesterday Aaron Rogers spoke about the moment of silence before the game for the deaths in Paris. Some people made some anti-Muslim comments. Rogers said "it's that kind of prejudicial ideology that I think puts us in the position that we're in today as a world." He's correct.

iS

 

[oldbutartful]

It is notable ( the refugees) they are coming to Western Countries wher they get free hand outs. They won't go to other muslim countries where they will be forced to work Saudi Arabia The emirates Iran have all offered them safe passage. Strange that they don't want to a,omg fellow Muslims ?