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hungry101

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This is my point Capt. I fear it is less about the care and consideration for the Syrian refugees and more about the rush to be considered liberal of the year.
 

CaptRenault

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For those Canadians who still feel uneasy about the rush to import 25K Syrian refugees in the next 6 weeks, former drama teacher and selfie loving PM Trudeau has an answer: advertising!

$500k federal ad campaign to tout refugee plan as a ‘national project,’ document reveals

nationalpost.com
John Ivison | November 20, 2015 |

OTTAWA — The Liberal government, elected on platform that pledged to ban partisan advertising, is set to launch a $500,000 digital ad campaign to boost public support for its plan to bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year, according to a strategic plan document obtained by the National Post.
Refugee price tag

The cost of the Liberal government’s plan to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees has been pegged at $1.2 billion over the next six years, The Canadian Press has learned.
A government document obtained by The Canadian Press that lays out the proposed funding model says $876.7 million would be needed in 2015-2016 alone.

The “Operation Syrian Refugees” plan says the campaign will “demonstrate Canada’s compassionate values and re-affirm our global leading role in refugee resettlement.”
‘‘This appears to be an early stage working document,’’ a senior official source said Thursday.

The ads will convey the messages: Act Now, Make a Difference and Here’s How You Can Help. The government will spend a further $130,000 to monitor the effectiveness of the campaign on public opinion. A Liberal spokesman said no decision has been made on advertising, but any ads will fully comply with party campaign promises.

The strategic plan envisages 5-6,000 refugees being airlifted from Amman, Jordan, every week, between Dec. 1-31. The plan suggests 900 passengers a day will arrive on three flights to Montreal and Toronto.
An opinion poll released Wednesday suggests a majority of Canadians oppose the government plan, mainly on the grounds that the tight timeline could lead to short-cuts on security screening.

The communications plan contained in the strategic document aims to convince Canadians that the mass resettlement is a “national project.”

It highlights a number of obstacles that will need to be navigated to win over public opinion, warning that if government-sponsored refugees jump to the front of the queue ahead of privately sponsored applicants who have been waiting for a long time, it could produce a backlash.

The draft plan also expresses concerns that any refugees deemed inadmissible once they had arrived in Canada would attract “long-term negative attention.” There are further worries about the United States being critical of a perceived threat to border security; about the possibility of negative publicity if families are separated; and the bad press that might accompany refugees being housed in military installations for long periods of time.

To counter any negative headlines, the communications plan seeks to show Canadians that bringing in refugees can be a “win-win” scenario. It advocates highlighting first-hand accounts from former refugees who have successfully integrated into Canadian society. “It will be important to re-affirm the need and urgency of helping Syrian refugees,” the plan says.

The document underlines the dramatic nature of the task the Liberals have set the bureaucracy. Canada usually takes in around 10,000 refugees a year, with average processing times of around 10 months for government-sponsored applications from the Middle East.

The strategic assumption in the document is that “security will not be compromised throughout the operation.” Canada’s Border Services Agency will screen refugees for admission overseas, after they have been identified by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. The pre-flight security screening and risk assessment will continue right up to boarding, culminating in CBSA issuing a “board/no board” decision for each applicant.
However, given the large numbers involved, the plan says overseas processing will be “expedited.”

“Background security checks and medical screening, and processing of individuals, will meet the requirements as established by primary departments based on pre-determined established levels of risk,” it says.
Once the newcomers have arrived in Canada, Immigration Canada staff will complete the processing. During that time, refugees will be housed in temporary lodgings in Ontario and Quebec, within four or five hours of Toronto and Montreal, most likely on military bases.

The plan suggests refugees will stay at “interim lodging centres” for up to two months.

“All required necessities and services will be provided to support individuals until permanent residency is granted,” the plan says.

After receiving temporary resident status, refugees will be legally authorized to remain in Canada.

CSIS will conduct further security screening before granting permanent residency status and the Border Services Agency will take enforcement action against anyone deemed inadmissible.

But, having landed in Canada, refugees are granted the full protection of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Failed applicants can go to the Refugee Appeals Division at the Immigration and Refugee Board or apply to the Federal Court of Canada for a judicial review.

RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson and CSIS director Michel Coulombe appeared alongside Ralph Goodale, the public safety minister, earlier this week and said the government plan is feasible. “I am confident the measures in place are robust and appropriate,” said Coulombe.
 

Doc Holliday

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It'll never happen in my lifetime, but a good & effective way to begin would be for countries to outlaw religion. Make it a crime to be affiliated to religious groups or organizations. Make it illegal to practice any religion.

So many of the wars and crap going around in the world are centered around religion. Religion overall causes a lot more bad than good.
 

RobinX

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Originally Posted by Doc Holiday: "a good & effective way to begin would be for countries to outlaw religion"

Actually, outlawing religion has already been tried. You merely have to read about the history of Communism.

Marxist–Leninist Atheism advocated the control, suppression, and elimination of religion. The Soviet Union used the term gosateizm, a syllabic abbreviation of "state" (gosudarstvo) and "atheism" (ateizm), to refer to a policy of expropriation of religious property, publication of information against religion and the official promotion of anti-religious materials in the education system. Following the Russian revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, killing hundreds of priests in the process.

State atheism was also established in Albania during the totalitarian regime installed after World War II, and religion, identified as imports foreign to Albanian culture, was banned altogether.

Other communist states also practiced various forms of suppression of religion, with varying degrees of oppression and killings.

So it doesn't look like that is the solution.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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I think I have posted this before, I am all in favor of 150,000 plus troops forming a ring around known terrorist sites and going in a search and destroy mission. Pretty sure when Gerard Hollande and Vladimir Putin meet this week the cleansing will begin, and as I said before JT will bring a salad or something. Obama and now Britian may want to get on board with this one.
 

hungry101

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I think I have posted this before, I am all in favor of 150,000 plus troops forming a ring around known terrorist sites and going in a search and destroy mission. Pretty sure when Gerard Hollande and Vladimir Putin meet this week the cleansing will begin, and as I said before JT will bring a salad or something. Obama and now Britian may want to get on board with this one.

Obama will never get on board. He still thinks all this was caused by Global Warming. He is what Margarat Thatcher used to refer to as a "useful idiot."
 

CaptRenault

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Finally America comes to the aid of France and fights back against Islamic terror! Lafayette, we are here! Not. :rolleyes:

Obama Will Show Terrorists Who’s Boss With Climate Change Conference

By Emily Zanotti on 11.24.15 |
spectator.org

Next week, the world's leaders will converge on Paris to discuss whether humanity is burning up the ozone layer and how best to address the problem (hint: the solution will probably include a plea for more governmental authority in monitoring and controlling humanity's energy consumption and, probably, taxes). And, thankfully, according to our fearless leader who has been completely absent from the world stage following the Paris terror attacks, such a gathering will not only end our global reliance on fossil fuels, but it will also demonstrate to a homicidal Islamic apocalypse cult that we are a strong, global presence committed to the issues that truly matter.
Or something.
All we know is that President Obama is 100% convinced that our best offense against terrorism is a Climate Change conference...
 

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I'm tired of reading how Obama is soft on terrorism. The truth appears to be far from it. A lot of the tough demanding work he does is secretive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/secrecy-defines-obamas-drone-war/2011/10/28/gIQAPKNR5O_story.html


You guys think it's easy to order your subordinates to kill strangers 12,000 kilometers away knowing that without a doubt the innocent will also be killed? Someone has to make these hard but necessary decisions, and it will haunt them forever. Let's just hope the next POTUS will be as brave a warrior the free world has been blessed with for the past 7 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-reveal-uncomfortable-truth-us-is-often-unsure-about-who-will-die.html?_r=0

In a speech in 2013 about drones, Mr. Obama declared that no strike was taken without “near-certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured.” He added that “nevertheless, it is a hard fact that U.S. strikes have resulted in civilian casualties” and said “those deaths will haunt us as long as we live.”
 

Robert 21

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U2 Rock Paris

Bono said:
"If you love liberty, Paris is your hometown," Bono tells crowd during emotional performance

Rolling Stone said:
It's been three weeks since the terrorist attacks killed 130 in Paris, but the city is still grieving. You feel it everywhere: in the kindness of taxi drivers, the forgiving nods of usually surly waiters, the quick smiles of people you bump into on the street. On Boulevard Voltaire, near the Bataclan music hall, where 89 people were gunned down during an Eagles for Death Metal concert on November 13th, is an ever-growing mountain of flowers, photos, notes and poems scribbled on rain-streaked paper. Still, an edginess remains: Military personnel with machine guns search the bushes outside the Louvre, and your bag is checked and you are patted down before you enter most public spaces. This is a city at war, even if that war is unlike wars the city has seen before. There are no tanks in the streets, but there could be a suicide bomber at any Metro stop, on any bus. Everyone here knows that, and it gives life in the city a kind of vividness and urgency. It is the kind of moment in history that U2 was born to play for.

U2 Innocence + Experience Live in Paris Premieres tonight 9 p.m. Eastern on HBO.

***Peace & Love***
 

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On the subject of "Paris Attacks". I had no fear of going to France. One, there's the enormous odds of anything happening to me even if I am going to sites terrorists could use as a big statement. Two, it's not pretty but there's high security with roaming teams of military soldiers well armed, not police. Not a disruptive or dispiriting presence, but all business. Three, I'm not letting these animal terrorists have their way. Despite the soldiers I completely dismissed that issue and enjoyed myself without a molecule of worry or fear, and I had an awesome time.

There was more risk with drivers, especially a la Place de la Concorde et l'Arc de Triomphe.

***Peace & Love*** - Robert 21
 
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