Paris attacks

[hungry101]

Hungry, just so we talk on some common ground, I’ll try to put this in perspective for Québec and Québec only.

We’re a special case in Canada. Immigration is a federal responsibility in Canada but Québec writes it’s rules, determines the number and selects most of it’s immigrants. The reason for this is that Québec insists for good reasons to control the means for the protection of French, you know, that language you find so sexy when you meet girls.

We take around 50000 immigrants each year. Canada takes around 250000. They come from all Continents: Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe. Refugee represent around 10%, thought this changes according to wars and crisis around the world. Economics migrant are 60% and family reunion 25% (all grossly rounded numbers)

We take around 5000 each from China and France, 10000 from Maghreb and less than 5000 each from the Middle East (Iran and Egypt mainly), East Africa, Latin America (Colombia and Mexico mainly).

Muslims represent around 20% of our immigrants. Virtually all are economic migrants, thoroughly screened for working skills and language. And yes, knowledge of French gives a lot of bonus points.

The people coming from Arab countries are among the best integrated immigrants in Québec. They do not form ghettos, most speak French and their kids go to French schools blending perfectly. Kids go to school for at least 12 years. Don’t worry, they get to learn and live our culture and our values.

These people are awesome. They go through the same patterns as any European waves of the 1800 and 1900. They thrive, starting with shitty jobs and playing the mobility rules. They contribute much to our culture and our economy.

It’s totally insane to caricature them as honor killers (15 cases in the last 20 years in Canada), devote prayers 8 times a day, wife beaters, defenders of sharia law. Talk to them for god sake. They despise this shit.

Anti Muslims in Québec are usually anti migrants over all, basically the same base falling for Trump in the USA. They are driven by economic insecurities for many and the fear of terrorism for others, both reasons highly emotional.

ISIL has schools teaching kids how to become suicide bombers. No immigration laws can protect from 9-11 and the Paris events. There are too many ways to go around migration laws, especially for determined suicidal robots.

Terrorism is a geopolitical issue, not a cultural or religious one. The solution lies in the hands of Russia, Iran, France and USA, not immigration.

You say talk to them like they all feel the same way about everything. It is good that they despise that shit. If they like that shit they should be deported immediately. How are you going to vet all these refugees? How? Are you going to ask the Assad regime if the can vouch for them? I don't think so. they can say anything they want. Hopefully, the other refugees can point out who the Isis infiltraters are. Funny, this happened with the Cuban boat people that escaped that disgusting regime. Castro let 10,000 prisoners join them and the other immigrants pointed them out. My other point is why the hell don't the fellow muslim countries help them out and take them in? Isis was created by President Obama - the biggest whimp ever to call himself the leader of the free world. A traitor or the worst negotiater in the history of the United States.

But this is good maybe we can send our quota over to Quebec and you and Merlot (AKA ISparticus) can vet them?

 

[gugu]

Hungry,

There are around 2 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, more then 1 million in Lebanon, around 1,5 million in Jordan and more than 0,5 million each in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Irak,more than 0,1 million in Egypt and Kuweit. Canada will of course be over crowded with 0,025 million... We criticize rich countries in the region not for refugee policies but for their contribution to the war effort.

I prefer not to comment on Cuba because you'll want to throw me in Guantanamo lol.

As for deportations, what you say is what France announced yesterday: they will retire the nationality of any suspected terrorist having a double nationality. However, some if not most french terrorists are born in France. I agree we need o keep a close eye on those suspected of supporting terrorists in Canada. And we do, selectively, by the way. We did not for some Tamil refugees who supported terrorists in Sri Lanka during the 1980 and 1990.

 

[CaptRenault]

Canada's overall commitment to do its part in resettling refugees from various parts of the world is admirable. However, Trudeau's commitment to take in 25,000 refugees from Syria by January 1 seems ill-considered.

While it's true that Canada annually accepts a lot of immigrants, most of them are not refugees. For example, according to the Canadian Immigration Agency, Canada welcomed a total of 250,636 immigrants in 2014, of whom 23,286 were classified as "refugees."

There are various ways, described here, that Canada processes and resettles refugees. It seems like the normal process is orderly, deliberate and proven to work pretty well. At least it does when you have a full year to process 20K+ people.

Given these facts, why does former drama teacher and now PM Justin Trudeau insist that Canada must immediately accept 25,000 refugees from a part of the world that has produced some of the worst terrorists of the last 50 years? I can understand why Canadians might be concerned. When reporters questioned him about the security issues involved in accepting 25K Syrian refugees over the next several weeks, he offered no details. It's not even clear whether Canada has a plan to manage the logistics of moving 25K people from Europe to Canada and providing them with food, housing and healthcare. However, once the first ones arrive, it's almost certain that Trudeau will show up to take a few selfies. :lol:

Trudeau mum on security details for Syrian refugee rescue

By David Akin, Parliamentary Bureau Chief
Monday, November 16, 2015 01:45 PM EST
ANTALYA, Turkey * — He won't say exactly how he'll do it, but Prime Minister Justin Trudeau vows he can bring 25,000 Syrian refugees into Canada by the new year without jeopardizing anyone's safety.

In the wake of the Paris attacks, Poland shut its borders to Syrian refugees. In Canada, online petitions have popped up asking Canada to do the same.

Anti-Muslim and anti-refugee sentiment found its ugliest outlet in Peterborough, Ont., where a mosque was torched.

"From the very beginning, our commitment to bring in over 25,000 refugees in no way weakened our resolve to ensure that, first and foremost, Canadians are kept safe. Security remains a primary concern for the government of Canada particularly at this time, post the Paris attacks," Trudeau told reporters here at the G20 leaders summit where the issue of refugees was a hot topic.

Reporters challenged Trudeau to identify specific ways he'll prevent terrorists from mixing in with bona fide refugees but he provided no details.

That appeared to echo U.S. President Barack Obama's plea Monday for the United States to "step up" and help those displaced by violence in Syria, saying the refugee crisis should not be equated with terrorism and the United States should not distinguish between Christian and Muslim refugees, as has been suggested by some of his critics.

Trudeau will talk to Obama about that when they meet at another leaders' summit in Manila, The Philippines this week.

"Canadians expect (us) to welcome in refugees fleeing a terrible, terrible conflict in Syria but to do so in a way that keeps Canadians and their communities safe," Trudeau said. "And that's exactly what we will do."

 

[hungry101]

Chris Mathews of MSNBC, not exactly a liberal, raised an interesting question tonight. He wondered how many of the 10,000 Syrian refugees are able bodied men capable of fighting a war. He wondered how we can justify sending North American and European troops to Syria and Iraq while accepting refugees that could be trained to fight. It is an interesting thought. I think the good ole American rednecks who I worry will cause those refugees to not properly assimilate would be much more accepting if those refugees were the wives, children, an elderly parents of guys fighting along with our soldiers, and would be more accepting of the men who returned after fighting (many of whom presumably would take them back home to a safe and liberated Syria/Iraq).

This is an outstanding point and I was actually going to bring this up. Why are we not arming them and training them to fight for their own country? Why are we not doing more to aid those forces currently fighting there right now?

I'm not as worried about the rednecks not helping them to assimilate. How about the Islamic religion? How can you assimilate with that noose around your neck? I grew up near Deerborn and many have assimilated but others have not. I am not a fan of organized religion but I can co-exist with the people that do not have radical clerics telling them to don a suicide vest and commit Jihad. I would rather they pray to L. Ron Hubbard's head of cabbage or whatever the Scientogists pray to. I really don't think white people are keeping the muslims from assimilating. There have not been too many Islamic honor killings in North America. 15 in Quebec. Probably a few hundred in the USA. Guess how many western European's have killed their relatives for not dressing up like cousin It from the Adams Family? Guess how many European immigrants have mutilated their daughters genitals so they won't enjoy sex? None. That's how many.

 

[CaptRenault]

Of the 25,000 Syrian "refugees" that our new PM has promised to take in...almost 90% are military aged males who have left their families behind.

I'm dubious of this claim. What is your source?

 

[gugu]

National Defence.

lol I guess it's unpublished material you have a privileged access to?

 

[CaptRenault]

And yes...there are still privileges and contacts that I have access to even though I am retired now.

Of the 25,000 Syrian "refugees" that our new PM has promised to take in...almost 90% are military aged males who have left their families behind. If that doesn't set off alarm bells and make people wake up...then be prepared to reap the consequences..

If this is an example of the information that your "contacts" are feeding you, then they are full of it and so are you. There are undoubtedly some "military aged males" among the 25K refugees who will be admitted but the claim that 90% fit that characteristic is absurd. Not even Trudeau would be dumb enough to let that happen.

 

[Lily-Rose]

Monuments du monde en bleu, blanc, rouge. Magnifique.

http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-pa...ment-en-bleu-blanc-rouge_4810317_4809495.html

Capt, quelle est ta photo préférée? J'aime particulièrement l'Oriental Pearl Tower TV et le Sydney Opera House. ; )

 

[Kasey Jones]

20+ years in special operations...I know exactly how simple it is. The problem is our limp-dicked "leaders" don't listen to the guys on the ground who go toe to toe with these assholes.

I call shenanigans.

 

[Robert 21]

Father's Talk With Son About Paris Terror Attack

Here is the interview in full:

Journalist: Do you understand what's happened? Do you understand why these people have done this?

Boy: Yes, because they are very, very, very bad. Bad people aren't very nice. And you have to be very careful because you need to move house.

Father: No, don't worry, we don't have to move. France is our home.

Boy: But what about the baddies, Dad?

Father: There are baddies everywhere. There are bad guys everywhere.

Boy: They've got guns. They can shoot us because they're very, very bad, Daddy.

Father: They've got guns but we have flowers.

Boy: But flowers don't do anything. They're for... they're for... they're for...

Father: Look, everyone is laying flowers here.

Boy: Yes.

Father: It's to fight against the guns.

Boy: Is it for protection?

Father: That's right.

Boy: And the candles too?

Father: They're so we don't forget the people who have gone.

Boy: Oh. The flowers and candles are there to protect us?

Father: Yes.

Journalist: Do you feel better now?

Boy: Yes, I feel better.

Flowers & Candles

 

[CaptRenault]

CaptRenault and Kasey Jones...you are both entitled to your own opinions..

You're entitled to your own opinion too, but not your own facts. The dangers and the problems that we're discussing in this thread are serious enough without you exaggerating them with a ridiculous statement about the refugees who will be coming to Canada.

The seriousness of the problem was underlined by the police raid on an apartment in Paris this morning:

2 terror suspects dead after French police raid north of Paris
wpost.com

PARIS — A woman wearing an explosive-packed vest blew herself up early Wednesday after more than 100 French police and army troops stormed an apartment in northern Paris, prompting a seven-hour siege with a heavy exchange of gunfire that killed two suspects, police said.

The young woman wearing the vest blew herself up after firing rounds at the police, authorities said. Seven suspects, including a woman, were arrested and several police were injured in the pre-dawn raid. Gunshots and explosions rang out from the historic heart of Paris’ Saint Denis neighborhood, a teeming quarter with a large immigrant population.

Police approached the apartment at 4:30 a.m., acting on information that another pending terror attack was in the works, said a French police official familiar with the investigation. The operation ended seven hours later, at 11:30 a.m. a government spokesman said.

Soon after the woman blew herself up, a police helicopter spotted a man trying to escape, who was also firing rounds at police. Police targeted the man and killed him, they said.
Police may have been targeting Abdelhamid Abaaoud, a Belgian man authorities believe has led the Islamic State’s effort to terrorize Europe, according to an official familiar with the operation. He is seen as the “guru” of Friday’s deadly attacks at a stadium, concert hall and bars and restaurants in Paris, which killed at least 129 people and wounded more than 300 others...

 

[HarleyMan]

are paris attack s bringing international cooperatiion? west countries sharing info with russia.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/us-g20-turkey-idUSKCN0T409Y20151116#3iAKtJutA8RrTcaT.97

 

[CaptRenault]

Apparently, in the mind of former drama teacher and now PM of Canada Justin Trudeau, not much has happened in the world during the last week.

No explanation for Trudeau’s position on air strikes: DiManno
More troops, but fewer air strikes, is a position that the new prime minister has yet to defend with a logical argument, writes Rosie DiManno
Rosie DiManno Columnist, Wed Nov 18 2015
thestar.com

I am assuming that, at the G20 Summit in Turkey last weekend, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was permitted to sit at the adult table.

But he’s behaving like an obstinate child.

Clenching his fists: I won’t! I won’t! I won’t!

And to all the voices raised in dismay over his decision to withdraw Canada’s contribution to the military bombing of ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria: You’re not the boss of me!

Those would be the fighter jets of which Trudeau famously said, a year ago: “Why aren’t we talking more about the kind of humanitarian aid that Canada can and must be engaged in, rather than trying to whip out our CF-18s and show them how big they are?”

Trudeau continues to insist that the Canadian electorate handed the Liberals a mandate to govern according to their campaign promises, which were clearly enunciated. He’s certainly correct in drawing that conclusion. There was a multitude of reasons — all thoroughly legitimate — for jettisoning Stephen Harper and his Conservatives from power. A nation had grown weary of the stiff-necked Harperites. Many no longer recognized, under Harper’s doctrinaire regime, the country they loved.

But for Trudeau to tether his justification for bugging out of the coalition air strikes to the citizenry’s purported opposition to the bombing sorties is mendacious. Every opinion poll in the past year has shown that two-thirds of Canadians approved of the military campaign against the Islamic State (ISIS) — and those responses cut across partisan lines.

A great many voters cast their ballots for the Liberals despite the party’s stated position on military isolation. It was not a wedge issue and not a deal-breaker.

After the atrocities in Paris last Friday — which didn’t actually change the landscape, but brought the ISIS malice into sharper silhouette for those who haven’t been paying attention to Nairobi and Sousse and Beirut and Syria and Paris earlier this year-end — there need be no apology or unease in Trudeau adjusting his stance. Astute leaders must recalibrate their positions when events warrant, rather than clinging to vows rendered creaky and erstwhile.

The fact is Trudeau never explained why Canadian jets should be yanked out of the fray, other than a preferred alternative of humanitarian aid. But these aren’t mutually exclusive endeavours; indeed, they should go hand-in-hand. Which is why the ambitious objective of taking in 25,000 Syrian refugees stands as urgent today as it was a month ago. Those desperate asylum-seekers need Canada as a place to land, like all the waves of human misery that preceded them to our shores, such as the Vietnamese boat people in the late ’70s (if not the Jews in the pre-war ’30s). A moral obligation of refuge is paramount. Only the arbitrary deadline of getting this massive undertaking done by the end of the year — a logistical impossibility — can be impugned as foolhardy. The workload required to properly vet migrants is unreasonable under this hasty deadline, much less the simple act of airlifting them here en masse from holding camps in Europe.

Still, these are matters that can be resolved without backtracking on commitments.

What’s inexplicable is how Trudeau can pledge to deploy more Canadian troops to help train local fighters in Syria and Iraq — 600 troops and 69 special forces members that have been engaged in directing bombs against ISIS targets, the latter last week involved in a crucial offensive to take back the Iraqi town of Sinjar — whilst simultaneously retreating from the air strikes by pulling out half a dozen CF-18s, the same jets that have flown 180 sorties over the past year.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Trudeau would be willing to put more boots on the ground in hostile terrain — and that’s what “training” means, rather than the deliberately false impression bruited about of their “non-combat” role — while abandoning the air-strike allotment which was to have ended in March, at a time when the U.S.-led coalition is begging for sturdier military support. As of September, the coalition had conducted 7,000 air strikes, costing the U.S. alone about $10 million a day, which have hit 10,000 ISIS targets.

It is easy to ridicule President Barack Obama’s assertion — in a pre-taped interview with ABC News that aired one day before the Paris attacks that killed 129 innocents — that the combat mission had degraded ISIS in Syria and Iraq. “We have contained them,” he said. “They have not gained ground in Iraq and Syria.”

Obama added, though this part of the quote is usually left out by the maddened right-wing-media elements: “What we have not been able to do is completely decapitate their command and control structure.”

Neither remark is false. The spread of ISIS military reach — its combat offensives — has been halted. Sinjar Mountain was reclaimed last weekend. “Jihadi John,” the masked propagandist of video beheading fame, was apparently killed just days before the Paris atrocities as he got into a car in the ISIS Syrian stronghold, its so-called capital, of Raqqaa. These are successes both crucial and deeply symbolic.

True, it’s rare that air operations alone can vanquish a war-wizened enemy, especially one like ISIS which has a strong conventional command-and-control structure and at least 10,000 fighters willing to die for glory. Yet the NATO intervention in Libya three years ago — a coalition led by Canadian Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard — certainly achieved its military goals. That Libya has fractured into internal chaos, its transition to democracy and stability stunted in the aftermath of rebellion, is a failure of politics and planning, not military shortsightedness. They did their job. Those bringing up the rear did not.

Thus far, Trudeau has failed to delineate the practical difference between troop deployment (good) and airstrike sorties (bad). I can only assume an intrinsic revulsion for bombing missions — if we’re the bombers, not merely the air-strike callers while others do the bombing.

If Trudeau has a convincing argument to make beyond an ideological — selfie — pacifism, he better stand up and do so immediately, instead of scooping up his CF-18 marbles and going home.

 

[CaptRenault]

The Washington Post is reporting that the planner of the Paris attacks might have been one of the two killed in Wednesday morning's raid.

Suspected architect of Paris attacks is dead, 2 senior European officials say
By Souad Mekhennet, Anthony Faiola and Missy Ryan November 18 at 8:37 PM
The Washington Post

PARIS — The suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks was killed Wednesday in a massive pre-dawn raid by French police commandos, two senior European officials said, after investigators followed leads that the fugitive Islamic State militant was holed up north of the French capital and could be plotting another wave of violence.

More than 100 police officers and soldiers stormed an apartment building in Saint-Denis, a bustling suburb home to many immigrants, during a seven-hour siege that left at least two people dead, officials said. The dead *included the suspected overseer of the Paris bloodshed, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, according to the two senior European officials. Abaaoud, a Belgian extremist, had once boasted that he could slip easily between Europe and strongholds of the Islamic State militant group in Syria.

Paris prosecutor François Molins, speaking to reporters hours after the siege, said he could not provide the identities of the people killed at the scene. A French security official declined to confirm or deny that Abaaoud had died. U.S. officials said they were awaiting confirmation of the identities of those slain.

The two European officials from different countries, who have followed the case closely, said they had received the information about Abaaoud’s death from French authorities. The two officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

It was not immediately clear how Abaaoud died — whether in police gunfire, by his own hand or in a suicide blast triggered by a woman in the apartment...

 

[Sky_rocket]

I'm no sociology major, but it is quite apparent that most of these terrorists in Europe and North america are second or third generation immigrants. Looks like they are way more susceptible to radicalization after failing to integrate into the host society.

 

[hungry101]

From Starship Troopers

I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea — a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."

 

[Halloween Mike]

Ill try to make it short as possible.

I felt particulary touched by this incident, as i am myself a person that goes to metal shows. Just a couple weeks ago i was seeing Amaranthe in montreal, and they did played at that specific place in Paris. Could had been me in that room, that is what i was telling myself, and now i know i will be a bit nervous when i go see my next show. Of course i am feeling for all these people that lost there family and friends, i have one in my facebook that did lost her cousin.

I wasn't very fond of muslim and islam before that attack, and this didn't help improve it. Obviously i know not every muslim is a terrorist (duh..) and probably a good majority are good people, but i can't help myself but to blame this religion for all of this. Don't get me wrong, i am NOT a racist person, i have nothing against skin color or eitnicies. My problem come with the religion itself. I don't care if its a white person, a black one, or an arab one that is a muslim, ill have the same feeling. This religion walk on a thin line. Why? Cause this is NOT just ISIS. Sure here in Quebec the muslim are very moderated in general, and lots of them do integrate to our culture very well. But in the rest of the world? Honor Crimes in middle east are not just ISIS stuff... Stupid laws in the middle east is also not just in ISIS controlled territories. That an idealogy i can't accept and will never do.

As for the refugees, probably 99.9% of them are gonna be no threat at all to us. No matter how well they gonna integrate themselves, they will not be a threat. But if only 0.1 is a threat, that is too much... Sure you can say "but dude, they brainwash our kids that already live here". Yes, and yes there is also white peoples brainwash, i know that, but i am trying to think about it 2 secs. Next part will be in french cause i want to be sure to not say it the wrong way...

J'essaye de me mettre dans leur peau 2 minutes, quand tout ce que tu as connus ces la violence et la guerre, quand un meutre pour toi est quelque chose de quotidien, je crois que le risque de devenir toi meme qqu de violent est plus elevé. On sais tres bien que des enfants de 5 ans sont brainwasher labas... oui aussi jeune que sa. Sa me fait peur.

So well this is my view, and you don't have to share it, and i know its sad to think about those people that lost everything and just want to make a new life. But there is a speech from Vladimir Putin i particulary love, he said in Russia you do as the russian do, you speak russian, you adapt to russian culture, we don't need you, you need russia.

I would like those people to feel the same when they come here. I would like them to arrive here, turn there back on islam, become "laic" and live as any normal Quebecois and learn french. Sadly we know they won't... I think if they would be willing to make that "sacrifice", then they would deserve to become citizen of Canada/Quebec.

But there is also a comment i saw on TVA nouvelles that made my think. Why those refugies, the men i mean, why they don't enroll to fight ISIS? Fight along the Kurd and such. Why its up to France, Russia, the USA and Canada to go clean the mess ISIS made ? When there own people won't even fight? We could accept there wives and kids.

I saw today that 10 teens (17-18 y.o) where thinking of going to fight with the kurd against ISIS. Man part of me think "fuck yeah, you got balls, i applaud you, i wish i had the same courage" but then i think, damn there barely adults (or not) and why should they go clean somebody else mess?

Anyway thats my view, again you don't have to share it but please respect it.

 

[CaptRenault]

As this Toronto Sun columnist says: "About the only person who hasn’t realized the world changed in Paris last Friday is Trudeau" and "What we need from Trudeau is fewer selfies — and a plan of action."

Time running out on Trudeau's rash refugee promise

By Christina Blizzard, Queen's Park Columnist
Wednesday, November 18, 2015
torontosun.com

To be clear: I absolutely believe this country should take Syrian refugees.

We have so far been sheltered from the humanitarian crisis that has engulfed Europe, as hundreds of thousands of migrants have fled the turmoil in Syria.
What troubles me is the haphazard manner in which the federal government is going about it and the way it’s turned into a political football.

After little Alan Kurdi’s body washed up on a Turkish beach in September, the federal Liberals tried to shame Stephen Harper for not taking enough refugees. In fact, the refugee system is very complex — as Justin Trudeau is now discovering. During the campaign, though, Trudeau made a rash promise to accept 25,000 refugees by year’s end.

Now he and his political buddies in this province who helped get him elected are scrambling to deliver on that promise.

Health Minister Eric Hoskins and Immigration Minister Michael Chan are leading an ad hoc committee of the provincial cabinet to figure out just what needs to be done to bring those refugees here.
Hoskins told reporters Ontario is prepared to take its “fair share.”

So divide 25,000 by 10 provinces and you get 2,500. Is that how many we’ll get by year end? Or are we sending them all to the Yukon?
Dunno.

What sounded good as an election promise doesn’t look so easy to deliver now. The refugee system is complex and relies a great deal on private sponsorship groups. There were already refugees in the pipeline from other parts of the world. Will those people be pushed aside in our haste to settle the Syrians?

Those sponsorship groups are actually very effective at settling newcomers as they usually provide volunteers to help them find the education and health-care supports families need.
If the government is going to bring in more refugees and house them in army camps and disused hospitals, as Hoskins speculated they might, who will provide those supports?
Will these hospitals become ghettos? Will refugees be housed in motels on Kingston Rd.? Or will they join the waiting list for Toronto Community Housing Corp. accommodation? We just don’t know.
Security is paramount. About the only person who hasn’t realized the world changed in Paris last Friday is Trudeau. There are clear links between the horror in Paris and Syria. Can the federal government assure us we won’t be importing terrorists?

Trudeau’s prepared only to treat the symptom of the ISIS terror — the refugees — and not the root cause, which is ISIS itself. You got the sense that at the recent G20 in Turkey, other world leaders treated Trudeau as irrelevant. We’ll fight the global menace of ISIS and the little kid from Canada can sort out his internal politics over there.

There are 42 days left before the end of the year and too many unanswered questions. We know for sure the 25,000 are on their way by year-end because the Liberals promised that in their election platform. They wouldn’t lie. Would they?
What we need from Trudeau is fewer selfies — and a plan of action.

 

[RobinX]

For those who are afraid of Syrian refugees, the following article indicates that those responsible for national security in Canada do not at all share your fears:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...settle-25000-syrian-refugees/article27342588/

RCMP, CSIS support Trudeau’s plan to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees
DANIEL LEBLANC AND JANE TABER
OTTAWA AND TORONTO — The Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2015 8:31PM EST

The heads of Canada’s police and spy agencies are backing the Trudeau government’s plans to safely screen and bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year.

A number of municipal and provincial politicians have called on the government to take longer to conduct security checks on the asylum seekers, but RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson and CSIS director Michel Coulombe insist the government’s plans are feasible.

As the pair spoke alongside Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale at a news conference in Ottawa Wednesday, giving assurances that it can be done in that time frame without compromising the country’s safety, Ontario’s Health Minister told reporters how Canada’s most populous province can help meet the commitment.

Details so far are vague as to Ottawa’s plans, but Eric Hoskins says that Ontario is looking at decommissioned hospitals as potential housing for refugees. He noted, for example, that Toronto’s Humber River Hospital has moved from three sites to one.

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, who strongly supported Justin Trudeau during the recent election campaign, has promised to bring in as many as 10,000 refugees. Initially, she had said that the province could do this by the end of 2016, but Dr. Hoskins said Ontario is “obviously prepared to receive our fair share.”

The minister said that a number of refugees could be in the province on an interim basis as they wait to move to other provinces.

Dr. Hoskins, who is co-chair of an ad hoc cabinet committee on the refugees with Immigration Minister Michael Chan, said Wednesday he is expecting to hear within days the federal government’s plan, which will detail how many refugees are expected to arrive, the timing of the arrivals [how many each day, for example] and at which points of entry in the country.

The ad hoc committee met for the first time Tuesday – and is expected to meet every few days. In addition, provincial officials are in regular contact with their federal counterparts.


Meanwhile, RCMP Commissioner Paulson, whose agency will conduct database checks on all refugees, said that all necessary security work can be quickly accomplished.

“Yes,” he answered in a direct question on the government’s ability to meet its deadline. “We will play a role in making the security checks and confirm people’s identity. In my view, the system is satisfactory.”

Added Mr. Coulombe, the director of CSIS: “I am confident that the measures in place are robust and … appropriate.”

Mr. Goodale said that the first objective of the government’s promise to take in 25,000 refugees is humanitarian, in order to “rescue people who are in terrible conditions and fleeing from the scourge that is [the Islamic State],” However, he added the government would meet its objective “without any diminution or reduction in our security work.”

The Public Safety Minister said federal officials would conduct database checks and biometrics tests to verify the ID of all refugees, in addition to submitting them to interviews. To do the task quickly, some officials from other agencies are being seconded to the operation, including border guards.

The government will bring in many refugees who have been stuck in camps for years, Mr. Goodale added, giving a priority to those who are the most vulnerable and pose the least potential security risk.

For her part, B.C. Premier Christy Clark says she is confident the federal government will deliver a rigorous security screening process. “I accept their assurances,” she said.

“The federal government has asked us to welcome 3,500 refugees as part of this and we have said, ‘Yes we think we can do that,’” she told reporters. “We have set $1-million aside and the federal government has also said they are going to restore the settlement funding that was cut ….”

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has committed her province to ‎bringing in as many as 3,000 Syrian refugees over the next few months.

Ms. Notley met Wednesday with the mayors of Calgary and Edmonton to discuss how both cities could help accept refugees. While the province is crafting a program to help arrivals, it won’t disclose the details of that program until the federal government announces its strategy.

With reports from Justine Hunter in Victoria and Justin Giovannetti in Edmonton

 

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Great good nature without prudence is a great misfortune.--Benjamin Franklin

Gunter: Risk of taking refugees is real
By Lorne Gunter, Thursday, November 19, 2015
edmontonsun.com

Ok, so four students and two teachers from a pair of local high schools had their trip to Paris next week cancelled by the public school board because it’s too risky in the French capital what with the threat from ISIS.
Meanwhile our prime minister, premier and mayor want to prove just how open-minded, progressive and tolerant they are bringing 1,500 Syrian refugees to Edmonton by December 1 without first checking to see whether there are any ISIS members hiding among them.

The risks in Paris are small, or at least smaller than they were a week ago before the six terror attacks that took 129 lives.

French and Belgian authorities have conducted scores of raids on suspected ISIS cells and other jihadi sympathizers. They have made dozens of arrests and seized large quantities of guns, ammunition and explosives.
But the school board has decided to err on the side of caution. Better safe than sorry.

However, the safety of our young people is also one of the concerns with bringing refugees here in haste without adequate background checks.

Young people at a concert and at cafes were disproportionately targeted by ISIS radicals in France last Friday. So how come it’s sensible for school trustees to cancel school trips to France, but it is un-Canadian, uncaring, even bigoted in the minds of our federal, provincial and local leaders not to exercise a similar degree of caution over refugees?

Defenders of this mad rush to accept 25,000 refugees are now claiming it’s untrue that the Syrians have not been screened. The United Nations has screened them in camps in the Middle East.

But the UN doesn’t have adequate means of performing security checks. It doesn’t have access to Syrian intelligence records, or even to American, Russian, British and other nations’ security files.
United Nations screening consists of little more than humanitarian workers’ best guesses. Their in-depth interviews are mostly, “Um, are you a terrorist?”

Is there a high degree of certainly that terrorists will be hidden among the 1,500 refugees coming to Edmonton or the 800-1,000 to Calgary or the 25,000 coming to Canada? Maybe not.

But is it possible? Of course. And the greater Ottawa’s rush to bring in large numbers, the greater the risk that CSIS, the RCMP and immigration officials will miss a cell.

After their attempt to blow up British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1984 missed, the IRA issued a statement taunting security forces by reminding them, “Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always.”

That’s the point.

It’s not enough that the risk is low-ish from taking in a large number of refugees at hyper-speed. The risk is real.

There are no guarantees of perfect safety in life. We can never be 100 per cent sure the refugees we take are all peaceful or will grow up to be tolerant, multicultural, law-abiding, democracy-loving Canadians.

But why would we wilfully increase the risk of a terror attack in Canada? Why would we make it easier for ISIS, which has vowed to attack us?

On Tuesday, six Syrians carrying stolen Greek passports were arrested in Honduras on their way to sneak into the U.S., possibly with the intent of carrying out attacks.

CFB Edmonton, where Edmonton’s refugees will be housed was home to many of Canada’s soldiers who fought the Taliban and other Muslims in the Middle East. It could easily be an ISIS target.

And last February, other terrorists named West Edmonton Mall as a high-profile target.

Why do the jihadis a favour by rushing the process just so our progressive politicians can feel good about themselves and their broadmindedness?