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Pavel Datsyuk Versus Phil Kessel
Interesting comparison on plus minus:
Datsyuk is currently playing his 12th NHL season. He is a total of plus 234. He had exactly one minus season (and that was BARELY minus, as you will see), back in 2003-2004 (over a decade ago) with a minus two. He is at plus 4 so far this season.
Kessel is currently playing in his 9th NHL season. He is a total of minus 48. He had exactly one plus season, back in 2007-2008 when he was with the Bruins. He is at minus 7 so far this season.
Interesting comparison on plus minus:
Datsyuk is currently playing his 12th NHL season. He is a total of plus 234. He had exactly one minus season (and that was BARELY minus, as you will see), back in 2003-2004 (over a decade ago) with a minus two. He is at plus 4 so far this season.
Kessel is currently playing in his 9th NHL season. He is a total of minus 48. He had exactly one plus season, back in 2007-2008 when he was with the Bruins. He is at minus 7 so far this season.
Thank for for your insightful post, JC. It's been well over a month or so since i haven't seen such insightful posting, to be honest.
However, i've never bothered much with plus/minus stats. I find them useless. A player's plus/minus usually depends on who he's playing with, who's his goaltender, against who is line is playing with, who the opposing goalie is, etc. A player's plus/minus stats are very unreliable and depend mostly on other players and luck. Unreliable.
However, i've never bothered much with plus/minus stats. I find them useless. A player's plus/minus usually depends on who he's playing with, who's his goaltender, against who is line is playing with, who the opposing goalie is, etc. A player's plus/minus stats are very unreliable and depend mostly on other players and luck. Unreliable.
Indeed,when you are playing with a bunch of sefish,unskilled and lousy players (ie:maple laffs) you are bound to be in the MINUS category.
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"Luck" makes no sense when comparing the performances of several years.
Are you saying that the Bearded Lady was disadvantaged by playing with the Leafs? In comparing Kessel's and Datysuk's statistics do you assert that the comparison is unfair as the "Dead Things" have been a superior team to the Leafs?
Welcome back Joelcairo, Making a comparison with Pavel Datsyuk and Kessel makes no sense. Kessel is NOT in the same league. BUT....
here is one. Tyler Seguin has played 5 seasons with a record of:
Games: 321, Goals: 119, Assists: 133, Plus/Min: +76 Lets double that to even Kessel's time in the NHL, that is, 9 seasons
Here we go: Games: 642, Goals: 238, Assists: 266, Plus/Min: + 152 Kessel's record so far.....................
..................... Games: 626, Goals: 240, Assists: 260, Plus/Min: - 48
Find anything different ?
Plus/Min is a stat which shows your defensive responsibility on a LINE, as a TEAM.
Welcome back, again.
Ballsamic
The Maple Leafs’ core is fatally flawed
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...leafs-core-is-fatally-flawed/article22285598/
Beyond the coach and what’s obviously a possession-bereft style of play, what ails the Leafs remains the same as the day Mats Sundin left in 2008.
They don’t have a No. 1 centre.
They also lack a No. 1 defenceman.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...leafs-core-is-fatally-flawed/article22285598/
Beyond the coach and what’s obviously a possession-bereft style of play, what ails the Leafs remains the same as the day Mats Sundin left in 2008.
They don’t have a No. 1 centre.
They also lack a No. 1 defenceman.
Angry Phil Kessel calls reporter ‘an idiot’ during interview
http://globalnews.ca/news/1758537/watch-angry-phil-kessel-calls-reporter-an-idiot-during-interview/
http://globalnews.ca/news/1758537/watch-angry-phil-kessel-calls-reporter-an-idiot-during-interview/
Great Quotes from Former Leaf Assistant GM Bill Watters After Carlyle's Firing
1. This is a great day for Randy Carlyle - leaving the dysfunctionality of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
2. Kessel and Phaneuf are untradeable. Both are grossly overpaid. Those two show no responsibility to the rest of the team. You can't count on them.
3. This is the beginning of a complete cleanout of what remains of the Brian Burke regime.
4. In reference to Kessel, Phaneuf and Clarkson: Three financial lumps that you can't get rid of. You can't GIVE these people away!
5. Clarkson is a third line player at the very best - he should be making 2 million a year and he's making over five!
6. The deals that Burke made - Kessel and Phaneuf - I don't think he'd make them again.
1. This is a great day for Randy Carlyle - leaving the dysfunctionality of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
2. Kessel and Phaneuf are untradeable. Both are grossly overpaid. Those two show no responsibility to the rest of the team. You can't count on them.
3. This is the beginning of a complete cleanout of what remains of the Brian Burke regime.
4. In reference to Kessel, Phaneuf and Clarkson: Three financial lumps that you can't get rid of. You can't GIVE these people away!
5. Clarkson is a third line player at the very best - he should be making 2 million a year and he's making over five!
6. The deals that Burke made - Kessel and Phaneuf - I don't think he'd make them again.
Great Quote from Ron Wilson After Carlyle's Firing
"You can't rely on Phil Kessel."
He went on to state that Kessel has talent but is very inconsistent. He'll do well for several games but then he'll "go into one of his moods" and play poorly for several games, at the same time annoying his teammates and causing them to play worse also.
"You can't rely on Phil Kessel."
He went on to state that Kessel has talent but is very inconsistent. He'll do well for several games but then he'll "go into one of his moods" and play poorly for several games, at the same time annoying his teammates and causing them to play worse also.
Ron Wilson's honest assessment of the team and certain players was brutal.
We have leaf fans who think another coach ( most especially Mike Babcock ) can turn this team around.
There have been 21 coaches since the leafs won a Stanley Cup.
The core of this team is grossly over-paid for the next 6 to 7 years and NOBODY wants them and a new coach will make a difference.....dream on.
Randy Carlyle is a happy man tonight !!!
All sports news are saying that the leafs are not on Mike Babcock's list of teams he would like to coach.
Babcock is happy in Detroit and IF (big word ) he were to move, it would be with a contender which the leafs are not, for years to come.
Exactly right! The Leafs could bring in Babcock, Scotty Bowman and the ghost of Toe Blake and they STILL wouldn't win with their pathetic "core" players and their deeply-ingrained culture of losing.
Ron Wilson rips Kessel, 'uncoachable' Leafs
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/06/ron-wilson-rips-kessel-uncoachable-leafs
When Ron Wilson was fired as Leafs coach, then general manager Brian Burke said the team was like an 18-wheeler driving off a cliff.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/06/ron-wilson-rips-kessel-uncoachable-leafs
When Ron Wilson was fired as Leafs coach, then general manager Brian Burke said the team was like an 18-wheeler driving off a cliff.
I've always liked Ron Wilson & i totally agree with his assessment of Phil Kessel, which has been his m.o. for his entire young career so far. Inconsistency has always followed him. He'll go on a dry spell for 10 games, then score like crazy for the next 10. But no worries, Phil "The Thrill" will have his 35-40 by the end of the season.
But what Wilson correctly pointed out about Kessel also applies to 70% of the NHL's top snipers.
I have no problem with Kessel's play. He is what he is, and will always be what he is, no matter what. He's paid to score goals & that's what he's done since Boston traded him to Toronto. He's earned his pay.
p.s. I really meant it the other day, JC, when i said that i was extremely happy to see you back posting on this great board. You're presence & honesty in the hockey threads was dearly missed and i truly hope that you'll continue to be on your best behaviour. The hockey threads are never the same without you, my dear friend. You're definitely one of the top 10 hockey posters of this board, no doubt about it.
I confess
I bet on the Leafs last night.
Why? Oh, why?
I have noticed that when a team changes its coach, the players usually give an extraordinary effort to impress the new coach and, out of pride, try to show that the failure of the team was not their fault.
Stupidly, I neglected to factor in the lack of pride of the TO players. Even for them, what a pathetic effort.
I wish I could find a way to bet against this act appearing in this Spring's playoffs.
I bet on the Leafs last night.
Why? Oh, why?
I have noticed that when a team changes its coach, the players usually give an extraordinary effort to impress the new coach and, out of pride, try to show that the failure of the team was not their fault.
Stupidly, I neglected to factor in the lack of pride of the TO players. Even for them, what a pathetic effort.
I wish I could find a way to bet against this act appearing in this Spring's playoffs.
I looked up a team's stats for its first game after firing a coach and they are heavily in favor of that team losing its first game with the new coach. However, i was on a betting roll lately and went with my intuition, which turned out to be a mistake and the Leafs lost. Throughout the game i couldn't believe that they had Daniel Winnik playing with Kessel. He can't match Kessel in speed and skill and it was obvious that the pairing wouldn't last too long. I also saw zero chemistry with Kadri. Finally, the coach came to his senses in the third period and put Kessel back with Bozak and JVR.
As i told a good friend of mine during the game, the Leafs' problem has never been scoring. They are still one of the top scoring teams in the league. Their problem was a total disregard for defense. Former goalie J-S Gigure referred to their style of play as 'pond hockey' they other day after Carlyle was fired. So why tamper with the offensive lines when scoring wasn't the problem?
Sure, Kessel has struggled a bit lately, but that's always been his pattern. But he's getting his chances and Tukka Rask robbed him 4-5 times last week. Kessel wound up getting a goal, but had anyone been between the pipes other than Rask, he would have scored 4-5 goals in that game.
I don't think the team's defencemen are as bad as they may appear to some. It's simply a problem of the forwards not fully committing to a defensive style once they're without the puck. They have to work more, put more effort into their play and backcheck.
Toronto Maple Leafs lose to the Washington Capitals 6-2
Credit: Steve Russell / Contributor
Caption:TORONTO, ON- JANUARY 7 - Nazem Kadri picks up a Leafs jersey someone threw on the ice as the horn blew to end the game as the Toronto Maple Leafs lose to the Washington Capitals 6-2 at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto. January 7, 2015. (Steve Russell/Toronto Star via Getty Images)
The All Star Game is perfect for Phil Kessel.
Why, you ask?
Simple: In an All Star Game, it doesn't matter if a player is a poor teammate, selfish, lazy, unmotivated, uncoachable, a floater, a prima donna, a poor communicator, a boring interview, one dimensional, totally uninterested in defense or backchecking, only concerned about his individual stats, and a career minus player - as long as he can skate and shoot...and, to be fair, Phil can skate and shoot.
Why, you ask?
Simple: In an All Star Game, it doesn't matter if a player is a poor teammate, selfish, lazy, unmotivated, uncoachable, a floater, a prima donna, a poor communicator, a boring interview, one dimensional, totally uninterested in defense or backchecking, only concerned about his individual stats, and a career minus player - as long as he can skate and shoot...and, to be fair, Phil can skate and shoot.
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