Positive discussion about the hobby : Illusions VS Sincerity

[General Gonad]

What? You think you're not satisfying them? Oh well... After all they want their orgasm too. Better late than never!

Well, I play that game too, coming back home after an encounter to spank my monkey. I close my eyes and pretend the SP is screaming "OMG, I can't believe you did that! Look my leg is still quivering!"

GG

 

[daydreamer41]

You guys are legends in your own mind. That's the illusion.

 

[General Gonad]

You guys are legends in your own mind. That's the illusion.

I am working on a new illusion: adding zeros to my bank account. Alright Copperfield, what's your Merb board handle?

GG

P.S. Liz, stop teasing me and get out of retirement!

 

[daydreamer41]

Elizabeth, I have met many SP's in Montreal that were into the session fully and enjoyed themselves fulfilling my fantasy with them. There is a certain type of woman who enjoys being an SP and those are the ones who should be in the profession. These girls enjoy watching you moan in ectasy. That's what get's their thrills.

 

[General Gonad]

Another SP asked me to let her finish her masturbation because she just had a date with GG, and she wished to have one more orgasm thinking of him...

Who was it? I want to marry her!!!

GG, retiring to bed!

 

[daydreamer41]

Who was it? I want to marry her!!!

GG, retiring to bed!

Do you have an SP waiting for you in bed?

 

[General Gonad]

Do you have an SP waiting for you in bed?

I am going to think of Liz! (how does she know what "my type" is? the audacity of that lady!)

GG

 

[General Gonad]

GG, you are most welcome to think of me while you are pleasuring yourself. I always take it as a compliment when men does.

Good night darling.

GG

 

[z/m(Ret)]

GG, you are most welcome to think of me while you are pleasuring yourself. I always take it as a compliment when men does.

'Night!

Good night darling.

GG

Ben c'est ça, gênez-vous pas! Faites comme si nous n'existions pas...

 

[z/m(Ret)]

GG goes BBW...

Bah!... Them German luxury sedans are overrated.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Ziggy, to me, being sincere as an escort means enjoying meeting gentlemen and have sex with them, not pretending that you do.

Oh well, if this is what is meant when we speak of "sincerity", your question is therefore easy to answer: sincerity is always preferable to illusion.

With such premises underlying your original question, the answer goes without saying. On the other hand, should we change the premises in such way that "illusion" is no longer opposed to "sincerity" and, in the same process, becomes exempted of negative connotations, we would therefore be looking at a totally different picture because, from my experience, "illusion" was often delivered with "sincerity", the same way - say - Mery Streep delivered Clarissa Vaughan's long tirade in the kitchen with sincerity - "actress sincerity".

I'll quote again Karma's succint post which pretty much says this: "I'll be myself or someone else, whatever you prefer, and if you're not sure of your preference, I might be able to help you find it".

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Now why do you repeat with an SP? Only because she's cute and has the most beautiful body? Naaah! Because she gets wet and sucks you well? For some guys, yeah, maybe, but wait... Because she's a good lover? Yeah, sorta that too... But I'd say it's mostly because she makes you feel YOU're a good lover and you "clicked" together? You bet! Are you insecure because of that? Naaaah! You just like to please and get pleased, feel the girl is also having her pleasure, feels good with you, etc.

CA, I understand the concept but your description doesn't match exactly what I understood from Doc's madam's (ok - Doc - wrong "madam" but I know of a few more who are speaking the same language) lesson which implies that, before anything, including sex, clients are thriving for adulation. Well, if she thinks like that, I figure she views men who resort to escorts as being essentially insecure. I mean - no - it doesn't always work this way: I, for one, will accept a compliment from time to time and, of course, I'm flattered whenever it seems that the SP is taking pleasure at being with me, but don't go push it girl with things like "you're the best lover I ever been with" (thought I would just throw this one in ) because I don't need the ego-boost and you're being a tad too zealous for my liking.

 

[Dee]

To prosper in the field of pubic relations an escort must be good in public relations.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

So to you, escorts ARE actresses, with more or less sincerity, depending on who you are dealing with.

Not exactly what I'm saying and sorry for not being clear. I say and said it before that SP's can be whatever they want to/can possibly be: being an actress is not a prerequisite for the job, it would be, let's say, a "desireable" skill.

Let's look at the question strictly from a business perspective. If I simplify things, there would be two driving forces behind SP's activities: optimization and the human factor. "Optimization" would be the principle of attaining the maximum dollar return - a business approach, mechanical and strategized - whereas the "human factor" deals with pretty much everything else. I don't believe in clean cut separation of the two concepts but let's say that each SP privileges one concept over the other: you therefore have the business oriented SP's and those who's motivations would not necessarly be expressed in terms of business optimization.

The business-oriented SP would understand her role as one who "provides a service" and the said service can include but is not limited to the gratification of men's libido, psyche, insecurities, fantasies of many kinds, etc... Being "professional", in this view, would be for the SP, among other things, to assess, identify and understand the client's need and deliver the appropriate service. It takes some self-abnegation for an SP to work under such terms and conditions but these are the one's that are usually labelled GFE and most appreciated. "Acting skills" doesn't hurt but when I say that, I don't mean "acting" as if the SP takes pleasure to the job whereas, in reality, she absolutely hates it, no. I mean acting - when required - to comply with the client's needs, which doesn't exclude that the SP might be taking pleasure at pretending being someone else. I'll reveal something personal: I once asked an Sp to play Madame de Tourvel, I asked her because I knew her as being playful, skillful enough, and she complied with success. Got her the wig, the mask, the gloves, you get the picture. The example is over the top but that's an example of what some SP's will do for their clients. Other examples are not so wacky: SP's often play GF, especially those who travel with the client: the whole romantic spiel and decorum as they're about to get married. The whole act is often convincing enough for both parties to suspend disbelief for a while. When it's all said and done, it's paytime and goodbyes are of order, it's over.

The not-so business oriented Sp might also work under the same terms and conditions but would be more selective and, unless she's some escort megastar who has the power to charge any amount she wants, would make less money. She might also not want to work under such terms and conditions and redefine the service according to her own terms. Such SP's exist, there are many, for most the job being a sideline, but they're usually labelled YMMV and less in demand.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

To prosper in the field of pubic relations an escort must be good in public relations.

Shows how one letter can sometimes trigger hilarity. good one!

 

[z/m(Ret)]

I think the "not-so business oriented" SP can also be GFE, especially if she truely enjoys her work. But, as you said, she has to be a lot more selective.

That's precisely the definition of YMMV: being GFE only with preferred clients.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Yes but if you offer GFE services to all the clients who pass your screening, you're not YMMV, are you?

Lol... I guess such SP would be labelled GFE with a footnote.

 

[nueromagus]

I like this thread..

it brings up a lot of interesting topics for me.
I am always sincere with the sps I see, I often wonder if they believe me though. I would certainly like them to be as sincere with me as they feel they can be.
I partake of this "hobby" because of a lack of sexual experience throughout my life. When I was younger I was too shy, and as I grew older diabetes put me in some brutally humiliating sexual situations because of erectile dysfunction. So too me, these ladies are very much so providing me a "service", by helping me too be more comfortable with sex.
So I don't look at these women as "objects" for my pleasure. Too me they are more like a nurse/teacher, so in case I ever do meet the right lady I will not feel like I can't perform. Its kind of like training your muscles for a certain response. Practice makes perfect
Some form of communication in my encounter is essential, in other words. I learned this the hard way by seeing an sp who spoke no english at all. I speak no french( at least not in anyones presence ) and it was one of the worst experiences I have ever had. This girl was a porn star too! I think in that case i tried too live a PSE fantasy and it failed on me miserably.
I know in the end these are human beings, with feelings and families and lives outside of our hour or two toghether. That is who I would like them too be. Not some kind of fantasy, that should just stay in your head. I would like too share some brief intimacy with another HUMAN, in this day of 60 hour work weeks and "speed dating". I would like to hold them, touch them, kiss them, caress them, and try too make them feel good for a short time, as they do the same for me.
Too me the term GFE means the lady makes me feel comfortable with her and with myself, so I am able too let down my pent up barriers too the harsh world a little bit. Communication and sincerity are really pretty essential for me too achieve a good encounter.
At the same time I have had a couple of PSE experiences that changed my perceptions of what I could do sexually, they lacked in connection communication wise, but these ladys literally jumped on me and made me do things I didn't even know I could do These were incredile learning experiences as well, so I can't knock the fantasy route too much.
I guess in the end a balance is necessary. As a Libra that feels right to me. I will take a little bit of illusion and a lot of sincerity, as I feel the human side of all this should, in the end, prevail.

 

[incognito_NYC]

A point to ponder ...

I doubt you're the only one who finds self-esteem in escorting. Many ladies are just like you in real life - shy, quiet, serious - and feel that escorting can give them something they're unable to achieve in their private lives.

And isn't that how it should be? Wouldn't it be great if everybody got something positive out of the experience.

That's the way I like it to be - I always say that the more you give, the more you get ... and, no, I'm not just talking about the tip envelope.

 

[YouVantOption]

Integrity and Bullcrap on websites

When calling Peter, Chris, John, Martin, Robin or Jacques, and selecting your date, do you guys ever inquire about her "integrity"?
... my questions ... are simply limited to the size of her tits ... You guys are way ahead of me about the "seeking integrity" thing.

Hahahahaha! Great post! SO true. There’s a bunch of Indy sites where there is a lot of blah blah blah about the philosophy and 'donations' and 'whatever happens between two adults' guff (does anyone really think that is going to be a legal defense? Talk to your lawyer - it simply isn't the case).

Check dis - has anyone in the history of the universe ever read any of that philosophy stuff when looking to book a hottie to get laid? Or do you, like me click immediately to the pictures, and then the rates?

And another thing! I personally can't stand all that slow-loading flash media garbage on agency and Indy SP sites - give me the basic details, upfront and right away. I know there are a lot of web designers out there trying to push their services onto agencies and Indies, trust me, I see the emails often enough.

I recall a recent offer to the person whose site I do, telling her that someone would do the updates of the site for ONLY $150/week. What a bargain! Even with the cheapest offers, I guess the agency people have no idea that they are getting ripped off (for once, in some cases, it is justice), but with so many free services out there is no reason not to be able to do all this stuff yourself or with the help of a computer-literate friend.

Anyway from my perspective: Agencies, Indies - keep it simple: some nice pictures, your rates and a way to get in touch. Paypal and Credit Cards are nice services to have too, and for agencies, a 'who is on tonight' section is always appreciated. But flash movies and music and moving logos? Forget that. Waste of my time and your money - they sure don't make me want to book someone more, and in most cases, they look cheap, not 'classy' like you think. Oh, and if you are French, get someone English to spellcheck and copy-edit your site, especially if you want to attract American visitors over the summer.

Look around the web and see what the most popular sites are - google.com is very simple, and the top search engine in part because of it (simplicity and it works, of course).