Question for Extremely Attractive Men

[EagerBeaver]

Fradi,

Perhaps you are not familiar with social anxiety disorders, "being natural" in some cases means major stage fright and feet inserted into mouth. Guys choke with women just like soccer players choke on a penalty kick and kick it 10 feet over the net.

In the universe of guys who don't have anxiety issues, some are more gifted talkers than others and can put women at ease and schmooze them: the 3 guys I used to bring to Montreal with me are all in the financial industry and work as salesman of securities. They are gifted schmoozers and I have seen them operate with civilian women as well as escorts and they have game. This means women are comfortable around them and are somewhat entertained as opposed to being bored or feeling awkward. In a party setting it's important to have some social skills and promote festive atmosphere rather than defeat it. My observations are that some guys are much better at it than others. I also believe games can be worked on and improved, no different than the soccer player working on his PK after he kicks one 10 feet over net. Practice and repetition hones skills. For me Seeking Arrangement was a good ongoing practice session on maintaining my own game because most of the women there that are worth seeing you have competition for. and if she has an offer of what she wants from you and 5 other guys, she is going with the guy who has the best rap. Many on SA don't even want to talk financials until they have chatted with you, which is a vetting process. In effect its to see if you have game or are a creep. And if you are socially dysfunctional, or even below average in game, you get beat and you lose. It's sport, like soccer.

 

[Fradi]

Beav,
I won’t go into discussing the reasons why soccer players roof penalty kicks, as I have saved many in my time and even the coolest guys like Messi, Ronaldo and old timers like Puskas have roofed the occasional one, and some goaltenders have a knack for saving more than others, although I firmly believe in the old saying that it is impossible to save a penalty kick you can only blame the kicker for screwing up.

Back to “ Game” I suppose acting natural and not being intimidated is probably considered game which TNB pointed out.
I think SA is not such a great example as I consider it just another form of prostitution and $$ plays far more of a role than game.
I think women are not nearly as superficial as men when it come to looks they are more likely to go with an average looking guy if he has a good sense of humour and treats them well.
We may be talking about the same thing you guys call it game, for me it is just being yourself with them.
I was never pushy with women or practiced pick up lines or considered myself a player, perhaps just lucky I guess who knows.
I think just having confidence and not letting the fact that a woman is gorgeous intimidate you is what it is all about.


I was lucky enough to learn that early on in high school when I ended up at a dance alone because I was to chicken to ask this gorgeous Italian girl to come with me. It ended up she was alone also and we hooked up at the dance, she told me she was waiting for weeks for me to ask her. I have never been intimidated since.
Sure you get turned down sometimes, just like job interviews, not the end of the world.

 

[sene5hos]

To conclude, I think you have to be yourself, maybe the physical beauty increases the possibility of meeting.

I think that a guy who has charm, without being a great beauty, is much more likely to meet.

I think the keys are:
1) Be yourself
2) Have charm, you have it or you don't
3) Have a sense of humor

 

[The Nature Boy]

Ditto to last two posts. Your game is u. Bring yourself, bring your game. Love yourself (in a healthy non narcissistic way of course) others will love u, why wouldn’t they, lol!

 

[EagerBeaver]

Controlled narcissism does work well within the contours of playing the game. Women want to hear about things that make you special and worthy of their love, but it's all in how you communicate it- whether there is humility in the delivery, if not the substance of the content being delivered.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I’m not sure I would call that narcissism or even controlled narcissism luv, it’s just having a healthy view of yourself and who you are. If one don’t love themselves beav how do they expect others to luv them. I think broadly both men and women alike feed off of anyone generating a good vibe.

 

[sene5hos]

Controlled narcissism does work well within the contours of playing the game. Women want to hear about things that make you special and worthy of their love, but it's all in how you communicate it- whether there is humility in the delivery, if not the substance of the content being delivered.

Controlled narcissism works well, maybe at the very beginning, because her partner hasn't noticed it yet, but about a year later, they split up, with the partner no longer able to support a man who think only of him, the world turns around in his person.

In the family we have a neuro-psychologist, and she explained to us what a narcissist is, (like Trump) and it's like impossible for him to control himself.

 

[Fradi]

I don’t think you need to over analyze things, just be cool, act like you would with a friend.
Chances are she is just as anxious as you are and will be relieved if she sees you are not over reacting and trying to come up with all kinds of sleazy lines to impress her.
If it doesn’t work out screw it, move on to the next gorgeous girl that you are attracted to.
Just be comfortable with who you are, putting on an act and shtick won‘t last too long, besides it must be a real pain in the ass trying to remember the last lie or exaggeration you told her.

Women want to hear how gorgeous they are and how much you are in to them and mostly they want to feel comfortable and at ease around you. They want someone who is a good listener, they will always be better at talking than you.

 

[bamjay]

Depends on what you're after.

If you just want to pump & dump a random girl off the street or from the club, it doesn't really matter what you tell her as long as you achieve your goal and then ghost her.

If you're interested in actually dating a girl, then yeah, truth and honesty reign supreme. If she doesn't like what she's hearing, or you don't like what you're hearing for that matter, then it's simply not a good mutual match and you shouldn't be dating each other. Typical 'let's just be friends' scenario if it doesn't work out from one side, or maybe FWB if there is only strong, mutual physical attraction and nothing else.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Very good points by bamjay. The OP's objective isn't really clear and whether it's pure gaming or he is on a girlfriend hunt.

 

[chowzilla]

I think guys here are making way too much out of this “Game”.
I never had issues with getting dates with attractive women.
I did not practice my game, never knew you had to have one, I guess the trick is just to be natural and not be intimidated because a woman is gorgeous.
Gorgeous women get lonely, and guys get tired of beautiful women also.
Problem is most guys go into it without any confidence and think they have no chance, which basically ensures that they don’t.

some of us, grew up with too much goody-too-shoes values, which kind of makes us timid because we are too concerned about pleasing others... something I had to learn the hard way.
You were probably brought up with more backbone than I did.
Being taught to be nice in a "mean" or "crude" world, is a tough road to live on.
What you described is literally the biggest ingredient to the "game", confidence. Not all of us, have it. I would almost say, most of us here, don't. Why would we be here?
Took me a while to learn the keys to confidence. I do much better now, but im not there completely.
Why do you hobby?

 

[chowzilla]

To conclude, I think you have to be yourself, maybe the physical beauty increases the possibility of meeting.

I think that a guy who has charm, without being a great beauty, is much more likely to meet.

I think the keys are:
1) Be yourself
2) Have charm, you have it or you don't
3) Have a sense of humor

I remember a time where I had none of these keys.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Why do you hobby?

I don't mean to speak for Fradi, but I think a lot of guys on here are just old and past their primes, yet retain confidence of their younger days. I think from his prior posts that is also the case with Fradi, he was probably an athlete and studly in his younger days, but when you grow old, Chowzilla, not so easy to bang girls 18-22 unless you pay. My game is awesome with women my own age, but I don't want to fuck women my own age even if I can for free, so here I am. Ditto for many others on here.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I think it’s tougher to impress older chics. 24 and up. They have seen a lot more and experienced a lot more. Less likely to be impressed by things a 19 yo would be

 

[chowzilla]

I don't mean to speak for Fradi, but I think a lot of guys on here are just old and past their primes, yet retain confidence of their younger days. I think from his prior posts that is also the case with Fradi, he was probably an athlete and studly in his younger days, but when you grow old, Chowzilla, not so easy to bang girls 18-22 unless you pay. My game is awesome with women my own age, but I don't want to fuck women my own age even I can for free, so here I am. Ditto for many others on here.

I wasn't thinking when I asked that question.
I was just on the train of thought of "its not that easy bro!"

 

[EagerBeaver]

I think it’s tougher to impress older chics. 24 and up. They have seen a lot more and experienced a lot more. Less likely to be impressed by things a 19 yo would be

The problem I have is not getting women in their 40s and 50s but wanting them, even if they are attractive and fuckable, of which there are a few. My experience is they are divorced, damaged by past relationships, and jaded. However, once they hear you are a professional- attorney, doctor, engineer, etc.- and if they are looking for good times and companionships it's not really that hard. I just had a few too many conversations with such women where I heard about their child custody issues, the mental scars left by their exes, it makes my skin crawl in some way, partly because I see them as pathetic and pitiable yet burdened with baggage. I just had too many conversations where I said to myself, "she is damaged and jaded and I just don't want any part of it." There is a freshness factor to single, childless women in their 20s that you guys do not even realize, until you have been with a few that could be their mothers in the bar scene.

 

[chowzilla]

I think it’s tougher to impress older chics. 24 and up. They have seen a lot more and experienced a lot more. Less likely to be impressed by things a 19 yo would be

Couldn't you say older women are more mature and more humble who can appreciate a good guy? Rather than being a chizzled homeboi full of tats.

 

[The Nature Boy]

U did a pretty good job Chowzy, lol. I think a 19 yo can be humble and level headed. I just think those extra years of life experiences brings more, and with that, it’s another ball game. A tougher one I think when it comes to “game”. Maybe I’m wrong?

EB,
Yes, with more life experiences some of those can be traumatizing and painful. I guess you gotta figure out if you wanna take the bad with the good

 

[Fradi]

Why do you hobby?

That is easy to answer.
My wife passed away from cancer more than 6 years ago.
She was totally gorgeous and the most amazing woman I will ever know I was with her a lifetime.
At this stage of my life I am not interested in a new relationship and it would always be an unfair comparison anyway.
Hobbying suits me but I guess even here I look at it different I have an ATF who is a total angel to me who I see most times, occasionally I will see other escorts I have a few that I like that I keep repeating with although now with this covid I am back to one.
I still would not have a problem attracting women in my own age bracket actually I had to show one of my friends a photo of my ATF to finally end them feeling sorry for me and constantly trying to introduce me to their wives friends or ex work colleagues.
Now unfortunately I have been spoiled and it would be very difficult to get me interested in a woman even 10 years younger than me.
The other issue is like EB has mentioned women in my age bracket usually come with so much baggage that I am not interested in hearing any of it or being their financial benefactor.

 

[johnOfChina]

I don't consider myself to be extremely attractive but used to hang out and seen them in action.
Of course those 5-10% have free hookups. It's not like ALL girls will get on their knees and beg him to pull IT out. But yes, some will just come up and start mingling ... and there he goes away with her.
I saw girls just hand out their phone # in a paper. He told me he text her the next day and he was already in her apartment.
So yes, those handsome men can get it easy ... it's just the rules of attraction.

I will say this tho:
The same guys I used to hanged out are also paying to be part of a gang bang. Men will pay for his fantasy, at a certain limit.
To get freebies, it's easy. I've met people I consider average look but can also get freebies. They are just comfortable and not shy. Good confidence in him and voila.

Here's a question for you: why do you question about the look of other men?