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When did Arabic become one of Canada's official languages?
In Montreal, with it's large dependance on tourist dollars which are primarily from American tourists, as well as a large English speaking population, yes I would force any gov't employee that deals with the public as part of their daily routine to be fluently bilingual in both official languages. Especially transit workers. It should be a job requirement. Besides being a matter of simple respect, it is also a matter of public safety.
Yes in many gov't positions French is a requirement and a necessary one as well. I am not disputing that. But when someone applies for a position in a primarily English institution such as a hospital, the requirement to speak French comes above all other requirements needed for the job. Even if French will never be used on the job. In fact many French speaking nurses could not pass the test that English speaking nurses are required to take.
It is not enough for French separatists to be equal, they have to be superior. They have to get revenge for all the past infractions in Quebec's history. Stop living in the past, we're waiting for you to enter the 21st century with the rest of us.
Esco, you are a shit disturber.
I went to Bishops U. in Sherebrooke, and I can tell you that the night life in that town is almost non existant.
In TERB an ESCO claimed to be an SP that was coming to Montreal, If you are the same ESCO then you must have had a sex change operation and changed gender.
Esco, you are either an outside adjitator or you just like to be at the center of attention by starting and participating in inflamatory threads. You do not know the damage you are doing, please stop it.
Esco! said:
I went to Bishops U. in Sherebrooke, and I can tell you that the night life in that town is almost non existant.
In TERB an ESCO claimed to be an SP that was coming to Montreal, If you are the same ESCO then you must have had a sex change operation and changed gender.
Esco, you are either an outside adjitator or you just like to be at the center of attention by starting and participating in inflamatory threads. You do not know the damage you are doing, please stop it.
First of all you're the idiot because Bishops U. is in Lennoxville and not Sherbrooke.J. Peterman said:
Second of all the nightlife in Sherbrooke is quite good (for a small town).
And last but not least I'll be coming to the Merb party in December and if I'm drunk enough I'll hop on the dance floor and whip out my 6 inch weener to prove to you I'm a man.
J. Peterman said:
Man you missed the train or got lost in magog or either nightlife for you mean playing mini putt or such things... Sherbrooke have PLENTY of bar... theres a big one I forgot the name who's in news often in french because they make some contest to get fake boobs and such things....
Now you're telling me that you want to tell private citizens what language they can speak on the street or on the phone? Talk about bullshit!
As I stated, I would make it a job requirement that any gov't employee in any capacity of dealing with the public be bilingual. That means police, fire fighters, transit employees that deal with the public such as drivers, conducters and ticket takers. What is it that you don't understand about the word bilingual?
When it comes to private business, I think they should have the right to operate in whatever damn language they choose until the day that the Provincial gov't pays their bills.
Here's a newsflash for you...I have no chip on my shoulder. I have no score from the past to settle. You keep bringing up the past where as you put it "francophones knew their place". Maybe you should blame the church for that. Yes the majority of Quebecers speak French but very few of them are bilingual especially when compared to the English population of Quebec. The laws have not helped the "pur laine". Just the opposite in fact. Now there is a very mobile English population here that can find work anywhere in the world wheras the unilingual Francophones are stuck here.
A distinct nation
I know it isn't my business as I live in Manitoba, but it sounds way too ambiguous a definition to merit any concerns for separation. It sounds more like a symbolic gesture on the part of the government without any consequences.
As for the subject of seperation itself, I have to admit that Quebec could separate if the majority would want to do that. There is legitimate grounds to declare Quebec as a sovereign independent nation based on language alone.
The only problem I can forsee that might be unpopular to a separate and sovereign nation in Quebec is the kind of quasi-fascist autocrats that you will surely have to have running the country.
I know it isn't my business as I live in Manitoba, but it sounds way too ambiguous a definition to merit any concerns for separation. It sounds more like a symbolic gesture on the part of the government without any consequences.
As for the subject of seperation itself, I have to admit that Quebec could separate if the majority would want to do that. There is legitimate grounds to declare Quebec as a sovereign independent nation based on language alone.
The only problem I can forsee that might be unpopular to a separate and sovereign nation in Quebec is the kind of quasi-fascist autocrats that you will surely have to have running the country.
That's exactly my point. I don't understand all the whining either. The difference between us is that I was born here and I have had to live with the constant bitching and complaining of the separatists my whole life. I lived through the Oct crisis and saw soldiers guarding my friend's home when I was a kid. I lost friends who left during the 80's and 90's. I've seen this city go from being the financial capital of Canada to an also ran. Now the can of worms is being opened up again with this stupid declaration of a Quebec 'nation' which has about as much meaning as 'Red Sox Nation' in the big scheme of things. I don't know why we just can't get on with things and build this province and country together.
As a french canadian, I've lived here all my life as well, including thru the October crisis. I've never been a separatist but believe me, throughout all these years, I've heard as much, if not more whining by english quebecers demonizing the separatists and dreaming up all sorts of scenarios of armageddon, than by the separatists themselves. People left, yes. Businesses left, yes. Toronto has overtaken Montreal as the business capital of Canada, yes. But who says this woudn't have happened anyway? And regardless, who cares? I'd rather live in a province with a strong cultural identity than in an "economic capital". Moreover, like it or not, the separatist movement has advanced the cause and well-being of french canadians who, 40-50 years ago, were told to "speak white" when they went shopping at Eatons or Simpsons, and were systematically denied access to the higher echelons in businesses. French canadians had to be content with their status of second class citizens... Montreal might not be the business and economic capital of Canada anymore, but french canadians run and/or have started successfull business, and have acquired knowledge and skills which, in some sectors, are now internationally recognized. Despite it's excesses, all of this could never have been achived without the separatist movement. The "we'd be better off today had it not been for the separatists" argument, is strictly a biased english quebecer point of view.
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Do you really believe that the same number of businesses and people would have left Quebec without the separatist threat? Are you really serious? And exactly what 'cultural identity' are you speaking about? The Quebecois rap music on the radio or the dubbed softcore porn movies on TQS on Saturday nights? Or that great Francophone singing idol, Elvis?
Yeah, yeah...we've all heard the myth of the obnoxious fat lady at Eaton's. Notice the apostrophe? You don't see those on signs anymore. If the separatists had their way, there would be no English at all seen or spoken in Quebec today. That's not survival, that's revenge.
Like Bombardier which survives on our tax dollars.
French Canadians never had to be content with anything. All they had to do was work within the system and work for the gains they wanted to achieve. But instead they chose to hold the threat of separation at Canada's throat. I guess it's easier to get what you want by threats instead of hard work.
PS: I just noticed that this was post #101 in the thread. I guess I should have written it in French.
Techman,
In a couple of paragraphs, you've just proven you don't know squat about culture, arts, or the business world in Quebec today. So, due to to the mindboggling amount of ignorance, distorsion and exaggeration in the above post and in this thread in general, I'm going to heed Roland's advice and drop this subject.
In a couple of paragraphs, you've just proven you don't know squat about culture, arts, or the business world in Quebec today. So, due to to the mindboggling amount of ignorance, distorsion and exaggeration in the above post and in this thread in general, I'm going to heed Roland's advice and drop this subject.
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I second the motion !
No fun here...
I second the motion,
Je seconde la proposition
Roland said:
No fun here...
I second the motion,
Je seconde la proposition
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