Well OK, then if the service is YMMV, why can't the price be too? If the girl puts it out there... "Here are the services I offer AT THIS PRICE"
What you say is true, but on the other hand, the YMMV is too open to abuse.
Should $240 an hour be YMMV ?
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Well OK, then if the service is YMMV, why can't the price be too? If the girl puts it out there... "Here are the services I offer AT THIS PRICE"
What you say is true, but on the other hand, the YMMV is too open to abuse.
Jeez, you're right! Now the listing shows certain services are extra.
Maybe if things like DFK are not guaranteed, they should be offered as extra too. Then the girl has an out, saying she's not offering the extra.
Camille i may understand why you put it this way, as an indy yourself and all. But you have to understand this is different from the hobbyist point of view. Bad clients will alwas exist, yes, and like i said you do not need to put a YMMV for the whole GFE thing to cover them. You can put YMMV to DFK for exemple... or Greek, but the whole thing, just look like a major turn off. Like we already mention those girls in agencies are not always high end courtisean... Yes there is good agencies, and we use them, lol, but there is also agencies that recruit more or less any girls than look attractive... It was mostly a problem couple years ago, as you would see bad review thread popping up often. The standard was raised due to the arrival of some agencies that "didn't fuck around" with those girls and you see way less of it... Couple bad reviews now and a girl is out... and you see way less girls re-appear under a different name after a bad run on a different agency website...
This is all due to quality having been raised up by some agencies, offering excellet services. Now when a a new agency arrive and seem to appear to want to lower the standards again, yes its understandable some of us go in "panic mode", because not only they want to lower the standard, but hell raise the rate on top of it. I can deal with an indy being over 200$, i can deal with indies being safe GFE, especially when its well advertised. They are just not for me and i respect that, but they usually worked, and made a reputation for themselves before being a high end courtisan... Now when it comes to agencies, with unknown girls, and in that case even a new agency.. this is a different thing because if one does it, and people play along, another one could do it too, and another one and so on... I am from sherbrooke where GFE is not a clear thing. All they include is the "complet" as they put it, and you have to deal your GFE with the SP on the spot... The escort industry is miserable here, yet still as much as pricy as MTL.. !!! and i do not want MTL to regress 10 years in the past.
What i was going originally was mostly the YMMV may not be relied to either hygiene, smell or such unpleasant things. It can simply be a matter of the girl not being in the mood for x reasons, personal life, having drink too much, whatever, and proving half-ass services. Yet can the guy complain to the agency? No because it was listed as YMMV.. So even if its totally not his fault... he can receive bad services... and can't do jack about it.
Yes agencies try to get repeat customer, of course, thats good business, but as i mentioned above, remember 4 years ago, when some girls kept getter hired despite bad mixed reviews all over the place and they where clearly not made to do this job... yet they where still doing it for the money, and agencies would still send them to tourist or whatever...
Its not like this does not exist anymore, outside merb... the newspaper ads and such... you never know what your gonna get... But merb has been a safe haven for us for years and has greatly improved since i started in this practice. Guys like Mike at Goodgirls, Jimmy at Wildtime, the guys from MTL GFE, and many others have help craft a very "safe" business for all of us. Im sure if a guy call and is being rude or weird, they will either turn him off right even before booking, or if he deceive the booker, im sure they tell there girls "if you don't like him, just walk away no problem"
In the end all we want is a cool and fun date, and for that, some of us, most of us, need a GFE date. I could live with the fact of one girl walking away because she wanted to do CBJ and i didn't want to. But in my 50+ meeting only 2 times it came close to that. One girl simply wanted more money for the sake of it(using bs excuses like it was agency standard, once i poped 40$ she was more then willing to provide BBJCIM and the agency apologied and refunded me on the next meeting) and second time, its the provider Beaver was talking about. She wanted to do CBJ, but i said not my thing and she agreed to give me a lame BBJ, but she was just a bad provider period. Turned out she was fired and well im not the only one having had a bad experience with her.
What im trying to say Camille, is think about the ads, putting such a disclaimer in your ads may encourage girls to grab more money trough extra, or be a "lame provider" and yet bein covered by the agency saying "well you knew it was YMMV". Its certainly not a matter of hygiene and a rude, unpolite asshole will remain a rude impolite asshole even with a CBJ or no kissing. Better just turn them around all together and discourage the clients to acts like this.
May be she just don't like how its shaped... or the size of it... hell can be a lot of things out of our control.
Well if you booked a room for a 4H and your date turn out scraped because of this, yeah its disapointing to loose the room. Or worst if you book for the night, and when this happen you realize no other girl on your list is avalaible... what you do? Yes i know we clients see more bad habbits of SPs in reviews and such. And escorts see more bad habbits of clients... Truth is , its right for both side. There is assholes clients, and there is bad SPs just wanting to make an easy $. But thing is, everything work fine with the current system... Changing it and putting a "safe lock" can just make matter worst.
Je vais utiliser un comparitif un peu grossier mais bon... si je fait reparer mon ordi a un endroit, et que le travail est baclé, je vais y retourner et generalement on m'offrira de le reparer a nouveau pour rien, right? Ces un peu ce qui arrive en ce moment, si sa marche pas avec une escorte et que ces du a son attitude, l agence s excuse et en envoie une autre. Mais si ces le client le problem, l agence le met sur la blacklist, pareil que pour le reparateur de PC si il vois que ces de la faute au client si ces rebriser pour x raison. Mais si je veut aller porter mon PC quelque part et que je vois un gros disclaimer du genre "aucune garentie, aucun remboursement, si sa marche toujours pas, vous devez repayer" bin pas sur je vais aller la.
As i said, its a far exemple, but its more or less to say seeing this disclaimer up front is just too much of a safe lock from the agency removing any responsability from there part, and this for the good clients, is a bad thing.
Lol you would be surprise how much saying "but if i add 50$ extra...?" can bring you farther... Providers are in a business before everything. And as clients, thats something we want to make sure remain as its right now, cause if the norm become accepted that to get GFE you need to give an extra... then sadly it will become a normal practice by every agencies... and we will regress to 15 years ago...
Damn the time i write this, there is like 5 new post
Thats a matter of how much can you afford. If you roll on gold and see 2 girls a week, you will very quickly go around all your favorite agencies and may be tempted... For a guy like me... one a month or so... easy to stay away...
If they really did, thats good stuff... shows that we make a difference very quickly... Remember how Xbox fans made the microsoft giant step back on there shitty policies with DRM, always online, kinect forced practice... and yet even tough they did turned around and aknowledge the fans, they lost a bunch for the simple principe of having the idea to do that... The XBONE sells rather poorly. Never dismish the power of the consumers especially when your competitors offer better. When its dangerous its when everybody follow... so the only choice left is to either stop using a certain service all together or accepting the new terms...
This is all due to quality having been raised up by some agencies, offering excellet services. Now when a a new agency arrive and seem to appear to want to lower the standards again, yes its understandable some of us go in "panic mode", because not only they want to lower the standard, but hell raise the rate on top of it. I can deal with an indy being over 200$, i can deal with indies being safe GFE, especially when its well advertised. They are just not for me and i respect that, but they usually worked, and made a reputation for themselves before being a high end courtisan... Now when it comes to agencies, with unknown girls, and in that case even a new agency.. this is a different thing because if one does it, and people play along, another one could do it too, and another one and so on... I am from sherbrooke where GFE is not a clear thing. All they include is the "complet" as they put it, and you have to deal your GFE with the SP on the spot... The escort industry is miserable here, yet still as much as pricy as MTL.. !!! and i do not want MTL to regress 10 years in the past.
What i was going originally was mostly the YMMV may not be relied to either hygiene, smell or such unpleasant things. It can simply be a matter of the girl not being in the mood for x reasons, personal life, having drink too much, whatever, and proving half-ass services. Yet can the guy complain to the agency? No because it was listed as YMMV.. So even if its totally not his fault... he can receive bad services... and can't do jack about it.
Yes agencies try to get repeat customer, of course, thats good business, but as i mentioned above, remember 4 years ago, when some girls kept getter hired despite bad mixed reviews all over the place and they where clearly not made to do this job... yet they where still doing it for the money, and agencies would still send them to tourist or whatever...
Its not like this does not exist anymore, outside merb... the newspaper ads and such... you never know what your gonna get... But merb has been a safe haven for us for years and has greatly improved since i started in this practice. Guys like Mike at Goodgirls, Jimmy at Wildtime, the guys from MTL GFE, and many others have help craft a very "safe" business for all of us. Im sure if a guy call and is being rude or weird, they will either turn him off right even before booking, or if he deceive the booker, im sure they tell there girls "if you don't like him, just walk away no problem"
In the end all we want is a cool and fun date, and for that, some of us, most of us, need a GFE date. I could live with the fact of one girl walking away because she wanted to do CBJ and i didn't want to. But in my 50+ meeting only 2 times it came close to that. One girl simply wanted more money for the sake of it(using bs excuses like it was agency standard, once i poped 40$ she was more then willing to provide BBJCIM and the agency apologied and refunded me on the next meeting) and second time, its the provider Beaver was talking about. She wanted to do CBJ, but i said not my thing and she agreed to give me a lame BBJ, but she was just a bad provider period. Turned out she was fired and well im not the only one having had a bad experience with her.
What im trying to say Camille, is think about the ads, putting such a disclaimer in your ads may encourage girls to grab more money trough extra, or be a "lame provider" and yet bein covered by the agency saying "well you knew it was YMMV". Its certainly not a matter of hygiene and a rude, unpolite asshole will remain a rude impolite asshole even with a CBJ or no kissing. Better just turn them around all together and discourage the clients to acts like this.
May be she just don't like how its shaped... or the size of it... hell can be a lot of things out of our control.
Well if you booked a room for a 4H and your date turn out scraped because of this, yeah its disapointing to loose the room. Or worst if you book for the night, and when this happen you realize no other girl on your list is avalaible... what you do? Yes i know we clients see more bad habbits of SPs in reviews and such. And escorts see more bad habbits of clients... Truth is , its right for both side. There is assholes clients, and there is bad SPs just wanting to make an easy $. But thing is, everything work fine with the current system... Changing it and putting a "safe lock" can just make matter worst.
Je vais utiliser un comparitif un peu grossier mais bon... si je fait reparer mon ordi a un endroit, et que le travail est baclé, je vais y retourner et generalement on m'offrira de le reparer a nouveau pour rien, right? Ces un peu ce qui arrive en ce moment, si sa marche pas avec une escorte et que ces du a son attitude, l agence s excuse et en envoie une autre. Mais si ces le client le problem, l agence le met sur la blacklist, pareil que pour le reparateur de PC si il vois que ces de la faute au client si ces rebriser pour x raison. Mais si je veut aller porter mon PC quelque part et que je vois un gros disclaimer du genre "aucune garentie, aucun remboursement, si sa marche toujours pas, vous devez repayer" bin pas sur je vais aller la.
As i said, its a far exemple, but its more or less to say seeing this disclaimer up front is just too much of a safe lock from the agency removing any responsability from there part, and this for the good clients, is a bad thing.
Lol you would be surprise how much saying "but if i add 50$ extra...?" can bring you farther... Providers are in a business before everything. And as clients, thats something we want to make sure remain as its right now, cause if the norm become accepted that to get GFE you need to give an extra... then sadly it will become a normal practice by every agencies... and we will regress to 15 years ago...
Damn the time i write this, there is like 5 new post
Thats a matter of how much can you afford. If you roll on gold and see 2 girls a week, you will very quickly go around all your favorite agencies and may be tempted... For a guy like me... one a month or so... easy to stay away...
If they really did, thats good stuff... shows that we make a difference very quickly... Remember how Xbox fans made the microsoft giant step back on there shitty policies with DRM, always online, kinect forced practice... and yet even tough they did turned around and aknowledge the fans, they lost a bunch for the simple principe of having the idea to do that... The XBONE sells rather poorly. Never dismish the power of the consumers
especially when your competitors offer better. When its dangerous its when everybody follow... so the only choice left is to either stop using a certain service all together or accepting the new terms...Then why would you even book at 4h room with a girl you don't know, that you saw no review of?
Pardon de retourner ton comparatif, c'est peut-être simplement mon opinion, mais si je vais faire réparer mon ordinateur à un endroit, que le travail est bâclé... Who in this world would return to this place with the ''Oh well Maybe you know' 'face on.
Seriously, anyone with a bit of sense would go to an other repair shop. Why is this not appliable for poor services in agencies? Hum... Mystère.
Pardon de retourner ton comparatif, c'est peut-être simplement mon opinion, mais si je vais faire réparer mon ordinateur à un endroit, que le travail est bâclé... Who in this world would return to this place with the ''Oh well Maybe you know' 'face on.
Seriously, anyone with a bit of sense would go to an other repair shop. Why is this not appliable for poor services in agencies? Hum... Mystère.
Ah i knew i heard the name before... is this Mojo run by the same guy?
I read the thread and holy crap, what the hell that booker did for loosing 90% of the staff in less than 10 days????
I guess if you start a new business, better not hire somebody and offer him full control from the get go.
I read the thread and holy crap, what the hell that booker did for loosing 90% of the staff in less than 10 days????
I guess if you start a new business, better not hire somebody and offer him full control from the get go.
Again I have to lean to HM's side of that argument. For the crazy computer example, if I went to have them fix "x" part, if it's still not working when I get home, of course I'm going back. They can either fix it properly or give me a refund. This example is a stretch though.
Again, I think you're basing this on how you function. Turn it around for a moment, let's say you were the client going to see a male provider. Let's say he claimed to provide services like DFK, DATY, CFS. You get there, and you try to kiss and he says no. Then you ask him to go down on you and again he says no. What now? Stay, pay him the inflated rate (I have no idea what men charge) for less than you were told you get? Thank him for being so generous as to have given you at least that? Be a bit fair in your judgment...
Again, I think you're basing this on how you function. Turn it around for a moment, let's say you were the client going to see a male provider. Let's say he claimed to provide services like DFK, DATY, CFS. You get there, and you try to kiss and he says no. Then you ask him to go down on you and again he says no. What now? Stay, pay him the inflated rate (I have no idea what men charge) for less than you were told you get? Thank him for being so generous as to have given you at least that? Be a bit fair in your judgment...
Question 1 ) I do not do it myself often, as i am from out of town so i need a place for the night anyway... and i like to remain close to the bus station, but the reason may be simple, some guys ONLY book 4H for any girls... as the difference in price is huge comparing a full night, and/or they can enjoy luxury suit for 100$... some do not like incalls, or the agency in question do not offer it. Some don't want to book from there home for obvious reasons... Hell there is many reasons why people would book a 4H ... And some guys rarely repeat, they want to always see a new girl
Question 2) To save $$ lol, if they do the work badly, they are intended to make it right for free. Happened to me last year or so... i had my lap top formated... came back home, no sound... i got back there and the guy had installed the wrong driver... little mistake, he fixed it, and everything worked fine. Sure i had to wait one more day to get a fully functional computer, and had to go back there... but hey the rates are good and anybody can make a little mistake.. I will use them again... its no biggy.
Dear clients,
Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience you may have experienced in respect to the slang YMMV that we use on our website.
At Mojo Escorts we take pride in ensuring our customer’s satisfaction. Unfortunately, we did not meet your—or our own—expectations. Upon thorough review of the situation, we narrowed the cause to an over utilisation of these’s key words.
As a testament to our strive for perfection, we have taken steps to ensure that this will never happen again by taking off YMMV of all our girls profile.
Because of this serious oversight, we are going to provide you the best GFE service that you are expecting while you are meeting a lady.
We deeply value your relationship with Mojo Escorts and are committed to providing you with the highest level of service simply because our customers deserve the very best. If you have any further questions or comments regarding this matter, please feel free to discuss it with us.
Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience you may have experienced in respect to the slang YMMV that we use on our website.
At Mojo Escorts we take pride in ensuring our customer’s satisfaction. Unfortunately, we did not meet your—or our own—expectations. Upon thorough review of the situation, we narrowed the cause to an over utilisation of these’s key words.
As a testament to our strive for perfection, we have taken steps to ensure that this will never happen again by taking off YMMV of all our girls profile.
Because of this serious oversight, we are going to provide you the best GFE service that you are expecting while you are meeting a lady.
We deeply value your relationship with Mojo Escorts and are committed to providing you with the highest level of service simply because our customers deserve the very best. If you have any further questions or comments regarding this matter, please feel free to discuss it with us.
Gotta say, I am impressed. Mojo rockin' it here. Looking forward to giving one of their ladies a spin!
If you read the thread that was provided, the Mojo Booker/Owner explain why they where "a spinoff" of AE. Now personally i think its a pretty good thing they changed there advertising. Its to see if the actions will follow to words, but its definately a right step.
The pictures do look pretty hot, i hope this girl really understand how the business work and is trying a fresh start. I think any ladies deserve a second chance and based on the feedback, i see everybody agree she is very beautifull. If she can step up her game to the GFE standard , 2-3 good reviews could really make her a rising star.
But like i said, time will tell.
The pictures do look pretty hot, i hope this girl really understand how the business work and is trying a fresh start. I think any ladies deserve a second chance and based on the feedback, i see everybody agree she is very beautifull. If she can step up her game to the GFE standard , 2-3 good reviews could really make her a rising star.
But like i said, time will tell.
I completely agree with UncleBob. But in my view YMMV simply means she will give whatever she wants depending if she feels like it or not. The way SPs are operating is by collecting payment upfront is also a no go. You pay for something without knowing the terms and conditions. Then the girl has your money she can offer whatever she feels like it. I would stay away from YMMV at all costs. Just not worth it.
Yes but on the other side what if the girl is just lazy and does not feel like giving GFE even if the guy is very clean, clean breath, etc.? A lot of girls are lazy. Or what if we got some scam artists trying to pull the bait and switch? There are always exceptions as to why GFE cannot be provided but to me writing YMMV is a scam.
That is what I thought every time I saw Brian Surewood employed in a porno... sadly the girl would still work with him.
Brian is actually a very nice guy who I shot many times... never smelled nor had bad breath. Can't really speak from a female talent perspective, but there are a lot less hairy guys in much better shape and seemingly clean that have worse hygiene than him in the industry.
I'm sorry but a YMMV is simply an insurance for us. That we are not in any case obligated to provided some sort of service if we don't feel confortable with a client.
I had client who refuse a shower because it's a 10 minutes lost on his time with me, guess what, Bye Bye.
I had a client who was mean when I refuse greek with him arguing I was doing greek, if I have trouble putting the tip of your dick in my mouth and you are rushing me and trying facefucking me, I don't want to imagine how you would ram my tiny anus. I also had a client who bite my lip so hard I was bleeding, guess what, no BBBJ ... A guy come once with buccal herpes *Not Fresh* but there is no way I would have took the risk kissing him or letting him go down on me.
The truth is, our services are always a YMMV, and a price should not garantee a service or the lost of our free-will/common sense.
I had client who refuse a shower because it's a 10 minutes lost on his time with me, guess what, Bye Bye.
I had a client who was mean when I refuse greek with him arguing I was doing greek, if I have trouble putting the tip of your dick in my mouth and you are rushing me and trying facefucking me, I don't want to imagine how you would ram my tiny anus. I also had a client who bite my lip so hard I was bleeding, guess what, no BBBJ ... A guy come once with buccal herpes *Not Fresh* but there is no way I would have took the risk kissing him or letting him go down on me.
The truth is, our services are always a YMMV, and a price should not garantee a service or the lost of our free-will/common sense.
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