Shut down again

[Fradi]

 

[envelopes]

Not sure this is really the time to go from the U.S. to Montreal, honestly.

Quebec doesn’t seem to much want its own people, let alone anyone from the outside.

We do have good sex workers in the U.S., they are just two to three times more expensive than those in Montreal, and the percentage of them between ages 18-21 are relatively lower than in Montreal.

In addition to being more expensive, screening is required, since the activity is fully illegal in the U.S., instead of being between 50 and 66.67 percent illegal in Montreal (depending on whether you use an agency).

This is one more example of why you diversify. Not just becoming familiar with more than one market, but trying different suppliers within a market. What I mean is that a Montreal or Toronto independent can serve as a screening/verification resource for a U.S. provider you want to see, more so than a Montreal agency can. That can sometimes be worth the additional price that a Montreal independent sometimes charges compared to an agency.

If Covid has taught us one thing, it is that life in unpredictable and you shouldn’t put all your eggs into one basket. A fictional writer couldn’t have dreamed up a world where a U.S. citizen/resident can’t fly back to his/her own country without passing a medical test, or that someone living in Quebec can only knowingly associate with a small group of known family/associates in designated places.

And it has taught us to keep a list of contacts. The more organized and public something is, the easier the government can attack and control it. In a truly bizarre way, the U.S. market was the least affected. Most guys have prior messages with independent escorts or sugar babies in their phones and emails. It is actually very difficult for the police to control one-on-one meetings when the government hasn’t assigned specific grocery shopping appointments for each person, with ID required (hopefully Legault doesn’t read this post and get ideas). So outcall escorts are difficult for the government to control. When the U.S. was more restrictive, I had a couple of awkward moments. Some hotels changed the entry system to requiring a keycard to enter the hotel itself, but once you met her outside, the front desk didn’t say anything. One hotel had colored wristbands for guests, but I walked her in on my right where the front desk couldn’t see her wrist. I had my wristband on for Big Brother.

The U.S. has gotten better in terms of reducing Covid surveillance and in fact Senator Rubio did a statement on how stupid he thinks it is given that Omicron is not as deadly. It surprises me that Quebec is one of the few places going the other direction. But I was surprised that another favorite destination of mine, Portugal, is considering greater daily restrictions on its citizenry. Time will tell who is correct once the Omicron data is finalized. In the meantime, the U.S. is probably the safer mongering destination for U.S. guys. Just don’t do stupid things like booking someone from skipthegames (The new Backpage as far as law enforcement is concerned). Get a $500 an hour or more independent escort who screens, or a sugar baby. Just my opinion, but Montreal needs to wait until Omicron passes, as far as U.S. travelers are concerned.

Yeah, it's probably not a good idea.

The US talent is really lacking. Especially in recent years.

I have hobbied in the Northeast before I ever went to MTL. The only places you can find young caucasian SPs are russian agencies, and while they are hotter than MTL SPs, they aren't very warm or talkative. I still see SPs in NYC a couple times a month, but it's usually not as fun. Before this, you could find decent American caucasian SPs in NYC, but they are very rare now, only 1 agency specializes in it and the booker is kind of shady... and lots of cancellations.

There are a couple of good American agencies in NJ, but they haven't had new talent in a long time. I've seen their entire roster already lol. Same with Stamford. I am pretty familiar with the market in the northeast.

I am also familiar with the scene in Europe, but that's even farther than MTL

Tell them you are going through to Ottawa. They will know there is no funny stuff going on because there is no funny stuff in Ottawa

This is a good idea actually if I was driving. But I fly to MTL 99.9% of the time. The last time I did a 6 hour drive I fell asleep and almost died ha, so no more of that for me. Will definitely keep this reason in my backpocket if i end up driving.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Tell them you are going through to Ottawa. They will know there is no funny stuff going on because there is no funny stuff in Ottawa

I actually love the Ottawa scene. It's pretty good. Been going regularly for the past 3 years. Made several trips in 2021 from Canada Day til just before Christmas..the last few trips were especially awesome.
Maybe you should have said Cornwall.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Yeah, it's probably not a good idea.

The US talent is really lacking. Especially in recent years.

I have hobbied in the Northeast before I ever went to MTL. The only places you can find young caucasian SPs are russian agencies, and while they are hotter than MTL SPs, they aren't very warm or talkative. I still see SPs in NYC a couple times a month, but it's usually not as fun. Before this, you could find decent American caucasian SPs in NYC, but they are very rare now, only 1 agency specializes in it and the booker is kind of shady... and lots of cancellations.

There are a couple of good American agencies in NJ, but they haven't had new talent in a long time. I've seen their entire roster already lol. Same with Stamford. I am pretty familiar with the market in the northeast.

The US is the best for the escorts I see, I found so many on Twitter. Montreal really sucks there are hardly any colored girls all White not interested at all. I see way more sexy Black escorts (slim with big booty) but problem is the price is much higher and it is very risky as the US is the most hostile place to prostitution in the world. Which state has the most GFE Black escorts?

 

[EagerBeaver]

The US is the best for the escorts I see, I found so many on Twitter. Montreal really sucks there are hardly any colored girls all White not interested at all. I see way more sexy Black escorts (slim with big booty) but problem is the price is much higher and it is very risky as the US is the most hostile place to prostitution in the world. Which state has the most GFE Black escorts?

You don't use agencies. There are a disproportionate number of black girls on SA and they are as GFE and hot as any agency girl you will meet and probably will cost you less unless your negotiation skills suck donkey dick. Only idiots in the USA would look for black escorts when there are droves of hot black girls on SA. I also have a much higher success rate with messages sent to black girls as opposed to white girls. It's mostly supply and demand. Greater supply and less demand for black women on SA.

This is common sense 101- SA is all about economics and there is a disproportionate amount of black and minority women on there for reasons that should be obvious. They have a much greater economic struggle in the USA than do white women.

The only problem Cloud is you are used to Cleo's level stripper and some of the black girls on SA may be too hot for you. Some are model like in hotness and likely because you are used to the Cleo level stripper you will premature cum with those girls. The Cleo types are also on SA but why settle for that. Anyway it's all there, the Cleo's types and the hot college girls and model types. Whether you can handle it is your call.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

The US is the best for the escorts I see, I found so many on Twitter. Montreal really sucks there are hardly any colored girls all White not interested at all. I see way more sexy Black escorts (slim with big booty) but problem is the price is much higher and it is very risky as the US is the most hostile place to prostitution in the world. Which state has the most GFE Black escorts?

If Black escorts are your thing, go to the big cities. Atlanta is the mecca of black escorts, strip clubs, etc. Miami has a lot as well

 

[Skym]

If Black escorts are your thing, go to the big cities. Atlanta is the mecca of black escorts, strip clubs, etc. Miami has a lot as well

I remember back in 2009/2010 there was an agency in Montreal that was exclusively black women...agency was called Chocolate Love Divas... Does anyone remember this agency?

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Envelopes,

My two favorites in NYC are as good, and in fact even better in some respects, than my favorites anywhere. But they are expensive. They are both Caucasian.

But I repeat more than most guys. I have probably seen each of them them a dozen times or more.

Fosta/Sesta, and the Sugar Baby scene, and the lack of immigration ended variety and ended the constant inflow of 18-19 year-olds into escorting In the U.S.

The two ladies I see regularly in NYC have aged incredibly well. One says she still gets carded, even though she is late 20s.

The U.S. is not competitive overall with Montreal, and I love Montreal.

I look for longetivity in the U.S., and I have appointments in a couple of west coast cities later in the year with a couple of ladies in their early 20s who I hope will generate repeats.

It is certainly a different set of markets than Canada or anywhere in Europe, but Covid has taught us that travel is more of a privilege and less of a right than we ever dreamed.

I never thought of the immigration changes hurting the hobby. Great point.
Having spent years chasing Brazilians in Philly, I never gave it any thought as to why that pipeline has dried up.
Now, it is mostly Korean massage parlors, which are 100x better than the white girl options

 

[envelopes]

The US is the best for the escorts I see, I found so many on Twitter. Montreal really sucks there are hardly any colored girls all White not interested at all. I see way more sexy Black escorts (slim with big booty) but problem is the price is much higher and it is very risky as the US is the most hostile place to prostitution in the world. Which state has the most GFE Black escorts?

Not for me, I am into white spinners, the US is terrible. In your case, the US is certainly a good place, but South America would be the best. I am not into black or latina SPs, but go to any big city like NYC. Most of the big incalls in NYC have at least 4-5 thicc black and latina girls. But US is definitely not the best for black/latinas. Lots of hot black GFE in Mexico, brazil, colombia for cheap

 

[CLOUD 500]

Not for me, I am into white spinners, the US is terrible. In your case, the US is certainly a good place, but South America would be the best. I am not into black or latina SPs, but go to any big city like NYC. Most of the big incalls in NYC have at least 4-5 thicc black and latina girls. But US is definitely not the best for black/latinas. Lots of hot black GFE in Mexico, brazil, colombia for cheap

I like spinner Black/Latina girls but I do not mind thick Black/Latina girls. But places like Mexico, Brazil, and Columbia are dangerous not to mention you can robbed at knifepoint. I would never go there without going with someone that knows those countries well.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I remember back in 2009/2010 there was an agency in Montreal that was exclusively black women...agency was called Chocolate Love Divas... Does anyone remember this agency?

My first escort I booked was from this agency.

 

[CLOUD 500]

If Black escorts are your thing, go to the big cities. Atlanta is the mecca of black escorts, strip clubs, etc. Miami has a lot as well

Yep exactly my type. But are extras in Atlanta/Miami stripclubs the norm?

 

[CLOUD 500]

You don't use agencies. There are a disproportionate number of black girls on SA and they are as GFE and hot as any agency girl you will meet and probably will cost you less unless your negotiation skills suck donkey dick. Only idiots in the USA would look for black escorts when there are droves of hot black girls on SA. I also have a much higher success rate with messages sent to black girls as opposed to white girls. It's mostly supply and demand. Greater supply and less demand for black women on SA.

This is common sense 101- SA is all about economics and there is a disproportionate amount of black and minority women on there for reasons that should be obvious. They have a much greater economic struggle in the USA than do white women.

The only problem Cloud is you are used to Cleo's level stripper and some of the black girls on SA may be too hot for you. Some are model like in hotness and likely because you are used to the Cleo level stripper you will premature cum with those girls. The Cleo types are also on SA but why settle for that. Anyway it's all there, the Cleo's types and the hot college girls and model types. Whether you can handle it is your call.

I have checked SA and Montreal has plenty of Black girls. Just the scene for Merb and Twitter, TrystLink (basically where you can find well reviewed GFE escorts) for Montreal sucks... Almost all Caucasian. One stripper I have an arrangement with goes on SA, she no longer strips especially due to the pandemic. My next place would be SA but I really do like the club/bar scene and going on the hunt to seek an extra GFE stripper.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I have checked SA and Montreal has plenty of Black girls. Just the scene for Merb and Twitter, TrystLink for Montreal sucks. Almost all Caucasian and I noticed many escorts seem to prefer to work out West in Canada.

I met one 20 year old black girl on SA in Montreal and had a 4 hour dinner date with full GFE cost me $300 (Canadian), which at that time was probably $225 in US $. I have had similar experiences with black girls in the USA. There is one I see regularly, half black half Portuguese, college girl, spinner, $350 for 4 hour dinner dates inclusive of going back to my condo. GFE. It's been very, very easy to get dates with very hot black girls on SA. It's annoying that's equally hot white girls usually don't even reply to me. It's supply and demand. The white girls are getting more offers and I have more competition on them. I would say my success rate on getting a response with hot black girls is in the vicinity of 50%. It's almost too easy.

Although it's true you can find a good variety of black escorts in agencies in big cities, I wouldn't bother when you can date model caliber black women on SA for reasonable sums. The few times I have ventured into NYC scene on SA has been majorly successful. Unfortunately Covid impacts have fucked up my NYC efforts in the last 2 years.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Yep exactly my type. But are extras in Atlanta/Miami stripclubs the norm?

Most certainly. Look up Magic City in Atlanta. Scarletts in Miami.

 

[RobertNYC]

Not sure this is really the time to go from the U.S. to Montreal, honestly.

Quebec doesn’t seem to much want its own people, let alone anyone from the outside.

We do have good sex workers in the U.S., they are just two to three times more expensive than those in Montreal, and the percentage of them between ages 18-21 are relatively lower than in Montreal.

In addition to being more expensive, screening is required, since the activity is fully illegal in the U.S., instead of being between 50 and 66.67 percent illegal in Montreal (depending on whether you use an agency).

This is one more example of why you diversify. Not just becoming familiar with more than one market, but trying different suppliers within a market. What I mean is that a Montreal or Toronto independent can serve as a screening/verification resource for a U.S. provider you want to see, more so than a Montreal agency can. That can sometimes be worth the additional price that a Montreal independent sometimes charges compared to an agency.

If Covid has taught us one thing, it is that life in unpredictable and you shouldn’t put all your eggs into one basket. A fictional writer couldn’t have dreamed up a world where a U.S. citizen/resident can’t fly back to his/her own country without passing a medical test, or that someone living in Quebec can only knowingly associate with a small group of known family/associates in designated places.

And it has taught us to keep a list of contacts. The more organized and public something is, the easier the government can attack and control it. In a truly bizarre way, the U.S. market was the least affected. Most guys have prior messages with independent escorts or sugar babies in their phones and emails. It is actually very difficult for the police to control one-on-one meetings when the government hasn’t assigned specific grocery shopping appointments for each person, with ID required (hopefully Legault doesn’t read this post and get ideas). So outcall escorts are difficult for the government to control. When the U.S. was more restrictive, I had a couple of awkward moments. Some hotels changed the entry system to requiring a keycard to enter the hotel itself, but once you met her outside, the front desk didn’t say anything. One hotel had colored wristbands for guests, but I walked her in on my right where the front desk couldn’t see her wrist. I had my wristband on for Big Brother.

The U.S. has gotten better in terms of reducing Covid surveillance and in fact Senator Rubio did a statement on how stupid he thinks it is given that Omicron is not as deadly. It surprises me that Quebec is one of the few places going the other direction. But I was surprised that another favorite destination of mine, Portugal, is considering greater daily restrictions on its citizenry. Time will tell who is correct once the Omicron data is finalized. In the meantime, the U.S. is probably the safer mongering destination for U.S. guys. Just don’t do stupid things like booking someone from skipthegames (The new Backpage as far as law enforcement is concerned). Get a $500 an hour or more independent escort who screens, or a sugar baby. Just my opinion, but Montreal needs to wait until Omicron passes, as far as U.S. travelers are concerned.

Patron, thank you for another well thought out post. I agree on several points, especially not putting all your eggs in one basket, and that Montreal can wait.

Jan and Feb are two of my favorite months to travel to Montreal. Trips in two consecutive months break up the winter blues, and hotels are a bit cheaper. But my plan in Jan/Feb 2022 is to replicate Montreal in Boston with restaurants, hockey, casino and a national popular agency that begins with X. The escort appointments will be about $200/hour more expensive (so no 90 minute appointments for me), but Boston is convenient to get to from NYC, and the appointments with this agency are usually just as good.

I’m just a bit fearful that travel to Montreal will continue to be a hassle for the foreseeable future. Let’s face it, those of us on the East Coast have been spoiled. So many times I woke up on a Friday morning and said, this weekend is a good one to drive up to Montreal, or book a same day flight with points. There was very little planning. Visiting Montreal again on a whim may be far off. And that’s the real disappointment. Miss those days!

 

[RobertNYC]

Most certainly. Look up Magic City in Atlanta. Scarletts in Miami.

Is Scarlett’s in Miami also known as Tootsies? I had some amazing times at Tootsies!

 

[RobertNYC]

Not for me, I am into white spinners, the US is terrible. In your case, the US is certainly a good place, but South America would be the best. I am not into black or latina SPs, but go to any big city like NYC. Most of the big incalls in NYC have at least 4-5 thicc black and latina girls. But US is definitely not the best for black/latinas. Lots of hot black GFE in Mexico, brazil, colombia for cheap

I’m not into black or Latinas either, but the mid tier agencies in NYC (you likely know what they are…one starts with L, the other is a pearl ) are filled with black and Latina women. But I find most of them unattractive. The funny thing is they’re usually priced cheaper than their white counterparts. Where’s the liberal outrage on pricing? Lol

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Is Scarlett’s in Miami also known as Tootsies? I had some amazing times at Tootsies!

Is Scarlett’s in Miami also known as Tootsies? I had some amazing times at Tootsies!

Tootsies is a different club, but still great! Lots more latina women there though, versus black. Its been a few years though, so Im not "in the know" as much anymore

 

[EagerBeaver]

I am going to agree with this. The problem with lock downs is they can crush small businesses. The United States seems to have done a much better job of recognizing this and protecting small businesses. Although President Trump didn't get a lot of credit for it at the time and perhaps many other Presidents would have done the same thing, that initial small business stimulus package was brilliant. It kept people employed and businesses afloat. My business was a recipient of one of those packages and we kept our employees employed and everyone working. We didn't know what was going to happen and when the Courts shut down and business stopped we stopped, but we came through it pretty good. There was a little bit of a sad valley in the beginning but the stimulus got us through that period when the Courts shut down.

I just wonder what is being done for the similar small business owner in Quebec. People in this thread have been talking about impacts on their individual liberties but a more important discussion is what is being done by Legault for Joe Small Business Owner. Is he getting a stimulus payment? A government loan? Or is it a big fuck you, but thank you for the 60% taxes on your revenue?