Sp border crossing risks (again)

[vtguy]

Is it inevitable that a Montreal erotic massage Sp will have difficulty crossing the border into Vermont?
If not, what is the chance of being turned back?
If taking a bus or group tour to say Burlington, is this improve the chances?
And in that scenario, what happens if they say no? She must catch a ride back to MTL?

What's a low risk strategy for crossing the border in this case?

 

[cloudsurf]

Send her a private jet to pick her up.....lol
Its been done before....remember our friend Joelle ?

 

[Albacor]

I would say no risk at all ! How can a border agent tell it's an SP or not? unless she shows off her tights and dress with mini skirt ! On a tour bus, the tour guide collects all the passports of the passengers and hand them over to the border agent, sometimes they come on the bus to take a look, then get out right away, unless something catches their eyes! most of the time, buses go thru easily.

 

[vtguy]

How can they tell? By asking them what they do for work. Do suggest that they concoct a story? lie?

 

[luvdozer]

"I am a massage therapist" would be a truthful statement.

Do they really ask occupation of every passenger on a tour bus?

 

[Albacor]

If they ask what is your occupation? just say "Housewife" if they insist, just say; "is it a sin to be a housewife?" normally in the bus they don't ask such question; only if you drive, because they are afraid you will stay there and never come back; so they want to make sure you have a steady job and you will come back.

 

[rollingstone]

I have known or booked 3 Sps that were denied entry or banned from entry (its not permanent but does last a few years). The way in which they were caught:
1. Outed by a client: A client/stalker spent a great deal of resources to find all her personal info and tipped off ICE.
2. The rather famous case of a well known (and now retired) SP who admitted it after customs found that the amount of underwear and condoms packed was not appropriate for the period of her trip.
3. A Toronto indy who posts unblurred photos of herself on her website, twitter, ads...everywhere really. Also publicized her tour schedule, was not hard at all for authorities to find out about her. She said they never expected ICE to be looking through twitter, but the fact is her feed is public and anyone can see it. Anyone could have decided to troll her by pointing ICE to it.

 

[EagerBeaver]

As Rollingstone said. I am aware of case #2 (it's actually happened more than once with Montreal independent SPs) and also personally spoke to an SP who had number 1 happen. It's a risk. I would say depending on the SP's life experience and her preparedness for what will happen at customs, it's not an insubstantial risk at all.

I know two SPs, both no longer on the scene, who received bans. In both cases it was the same - caught with tools of the trade and didn't have good explanations. Bans were 5/10 years. If it happens say bye bye to USA travel privileges or else lawyer up.

 

[rollingstone]

The SP in case (1) of my post never admitted to anything, and decided to withdraw - something that Canadians are allowed to do at the advanced entry points at airports. There was talk the law would change but as far as I know any Canadian can withdraw and have no record of the incident be noted or held against them in the future. I don't even think they have to provide a reason. So she was not technically denied entry and never received any kind of stamp on her passport.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I've been told of several cases where simply the suspicion of being an sp earned a refusal to cross the border, without the border guard even having a single proof of what he suspected. For a couple of them the main reason was that they refused to give the name of the person (client) they were visiting, nor his address. The girls told me that their clients were married and there was no way they'd want to put his marriage at risk if customs called and the wife answered.

 

[transatlantic]

Suspicion of prostitution is enough to be denied entry. Be sure to cleanse your phone and email before getting to the border.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Suspicion of prostitution is enough to be denied entry. Be sure to cleanse your phone and email before getting to the border.

Suspicion of being a client of a sex worker is also enough to get you denied entry and several posters have posted in the border crossing threads to say they were denied entry because they did not cleanse their phones.

 

[transatlantic]

Yes, clients of prostitution are also inadmissible as law is defined as any person coming to the United States to engage in prostitution, or any person who has engaged in prostitution within ten years of his or her application for a visa, adjustment of status, or entry into the United States, is inadmissible. This section also applies to those who have made a profit from prostitution.

 

[jalimon]

Suspicion of being a client of a sex worker is also enough to get you denied entry and several posters have posted in the border crossing threads to say they were denied entry because they did not cleanse their phones.

EB, suspicion of being a client here in Canada or in the states?

Cheers,

 

[EagerBeaver]

Jalimon,

I was referring to posts in the border crossing threads by Americans going to Canada who got denied entry because their phones were inspected. The posts are there if you want to read them-

 

[AmberRose]

Being suspected of being a sex worker is enough to deny entry, and they usually give you a five-ten year ban. They don't need proof, and once you're in customs you also have no rights.

Many of us have been caught at the border and banned, myself included, and they don't tell you how they know, but it's usually because of: travelling too often for leisure, using the same credit card for ads as booking your travel, showing face or tattoos, some ad websites work with customs as well, having the same phone number as ads and in your travel info, facial recognition software, etc etc.

The process is absolutely meant to be as humiliating as possible, as they put "prostitutes" next to murderers and rapists in the US.

It's definitely not as harsh punishment for men suspected of being a client, many SPs have been caught with clients and the men were free to go while they kept the women, since they still have a very Puritan outlook on women having sex freely in the US.

 

[Racine]

Don't underestimate face récognition système: sp's with full face photos in their adds will surely pop a red flag at customs .

 

[transatlantic]

Since it is not illegal for her to be an escort in Canada (and in fact not illegal to do so in the U.S. if she were a U.S. citizen), nor is it illegal for her to do a tourism visit even if she were an escort in Canada, the reason for the denial and ban is evidence of intention to work in the U.S. with no declaration of that intention to Immigration? Of course, she couldn't declare that intention, so it is a catch 22.

I think declaring you are an escort even if you have no plans to "work" is enough to be inadmissible on suspicion of prostitution.

 

[AmberRose]

No, there is no way ICE has the manpower, the time and money or the motivation to mount such an operation. Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of hysteria about prostitution among U.S. law enforcement people, but their main focus is setting up stings with fake ads on the internet and shutting down advertising sites like Backpage and the local sites in San Francisco and Seattle.

If a few Canadian escorts got turned back at the U.S. border it was because of evidence collected on the spot. For example, their appearance and/or behavior and/or the contents of their luggage aroused suspicions. Or their answers to ICE agent questions aroused suspicions.

Most escorts and strippers that I have talked with in Montreal have all visited the U.S. one or more times. None of them ever told me that they got hassled or turned back at the border.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're wrong.

They absolutely do use facial recognition and escorts ads, including Twitter and Eros to search out sex workers intending to cross the border. They usually have you flagged before you've even arrived at the airport, and I'm speaking from both first hand experience, the words of other workers who got caught as well, and people I've spoken to in customs.

Most of us travelling over the border look nothing like the stigmatized version of a sex worker like you're describing. We're in sweat pants or comfy clothes, no makeup hair tied up, looking like a normal person, since we ARE normal people.

They put a lot of time, effort and money into catching sex workers at the border, since they are already trying to stop the work happening in their country, so making sure more workers from other countries don't enter is a huge part of that. This is a fact.

The year of the Trump/Clinton elections was huge for them cracking down on stopping workers from entering, especially Toronto providers, and now most of us who aren't already banned are too afraid to cross at this point.

 

[Anong]

What a hypocrisy, In US there are no sex workers? or the people making or enforcing the law never enjoy sex? The SPs never impose any threat to their security. It is unfair to the people who willingly choose to work as sex workers to make their living and do not do harm to anyone.