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Sol Tee Nutz

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Another article that I am guessing is also fake news to the democrats.

In passing Obamacare, its supporters promised the moon. Obamacare was allegedly going to cost $938 billion over ten years, result in 23 million people getting insurance through its exchanges as of 2017, reduce the typical family's premiums by $2,500 a year, and make sure that if you liked your health plan and doctor, you could keep your health plan and doctor.

Seven years later, Obamacare is projected to cost $1.938 trillion over ten years (exactly $1 trillion more), only 9 million people have insurance through its exchanges as of 2017 (just 40 percent of the original CBO projection), the typical family's premiums have exploded, and millions of people who liked their plans lost their plans, as Obamacare effectively banned them. Many of them lost their doctors as well.

It denies Americans affordable health insurance. According to the Government Accountability Office, on the eve of Obamacare's implementation, the cheapest health insurance available for a healthy 30-year-old woman in the typical (median) state cost $744 in annual premiums. Under Obamacare, the cheapest health insurance available for a healthy 30-year-old woman, based on the U.S. average for 2017, costs $3,107 in annual premiums—more than four times as much. For a man of the same age, the increase is almost five-fold (from $623 to $3,107).
Over the past two years alone, the average premium has risen a whopping 40 percent under Obamacare, as its slow-motion death spiral has begun to accelerate. According to Obamacare supporter Charles Gaba, for every $100 that a plan in the individual market cost, on average, in 2015, it cost $112 in 2016 (a 12 percent increase) and costs $140 now (another 25 percent increase). So, on average, a plan that cost $3,750 in 2015 costs $5,250 today.

It fuels the unseemly alliance between Big Government and Big Business. Big Pharma and the hospital lobby pushed for Obamacare's passage. But what about insurers? Didn't Obamacare bring them to heel? In fact, according to the Fortune 500, the ten largest U.S. health insurers' collective profits rose from $8 billion in 2008, the year Obama was elected, to $15 billion in 2015—nearly doubling. Big Government and Big Business are natural allies, not enemies. They boost each other, while the little guy—and the small business—loses.

It consolidates and centralizes power and money. Obamacare is 2,400 pages of federal largess, supplemented by a stack of federal regulations that's at least four times heftier than the statute itself. As Charles Kesler has written, "This new kind of statute—one hates to call it law—is not meant to be 'a settled, standing rule,' as John Locke defined law." Rather, Kesler continues, Obamacare is "deliberately…left vague so as to give maximum discretion to the unholy trinity of bureaucrats, congressional staffers, and private-sector 'stakeholders' who will flesh out the act with thousands of pages of regulations."

In other words, Obamacare is the triumph of the arbitrary rule of man over the fixed rule of law. And even beyond such inappropriate deference to bureaucratic whim, it has also been a vehicle for executive lawlessness.

While Obamacare tightens the screws on Americans' liberty by consolidating power (just ask the Little Sisters of the Poor), a river of taxpayer money flows from the tributaries to the nation's capital. A couple of years after Obamacare's passage, five of the seven wealthiest counties in America, based on median family income, were within commuting distance of Washington, D.C.—a city known for making almost nothing. In a nation that includes New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas, and many other grand cities, D.C.'s dominance is telling.

Alexis de Tocqueville warned that in a democracy in which "administrative centralization" has taken root, "a more insufferable despotism [will] prevail than in any of the absolute monarchies of Europe." Contrast this warning with the flourishing of freedom that one has historically found in America, such as along Route 66.

Obamacare is perhaps the worst case of administrative centralization, and hence the greatest affront to the Founders' vision, that our country has yet seen—and if not repealed, it will breed even worse examples. But if it is repealed, as Kesler writes, "Obama's legacy and his claim to leadership will lie in ruins." The fate of Obamacare, therefore, is inexorably tied to the fate of America's founding principles.

This is a war, then, that must be won. Moreover, it can and should be won. If conservatives proceed in a strategic and determined manner—and both parts are equally important—Obamacare will soon lie in ruins, liberty will soon sprout like new blades of grass, and American society will have reclaimed valuable space in which to flourish.‎
 

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You can read some foaming-at-the-mouth screed about Obamacare or you can come down here to see that more people than ever are insured and getting healthcare to address ailments before they get more expensive or impossible to treat. It's not a hypothetical for me because I work in healthcare.

I agree with what you posted. I also worked in healthcare in various jobs throughout my life for 32 years. For me making sure that every single citizen is covered for healthcare is a no-brainer. This is the government's job: to take care of its people.
 

jalimon

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This is the government's job: to take care of its people.

But that's the problem the Americans do not believe in government. They still have this old far west mentality that government is bad and paying taxes even worst...

Cheers,
 

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But that's the problem the Americans do not believe in government. They still have this old far west mentality that government is bad and paying taxes even worst...

I know. Very true. Blame the right-wing media for this prehistoric way of thinking. Personally speaking, i pay taxes expecting that my government(s) will take care of me and my fellow Canadians. Half of my American cousins think the opposite. They do not realize that the 'government' is us....the people. Sad.

What's even worse is that the entire wealth of the country is owned by its top 1%. The billionaires and the mega-zillionaires. This is unbelieavable!!! Think about this! And worse is that the laws are tilted in their favor and it keeps getting worse. The ONLY reason for the recent healthcare bill is to finance the massive tax cut that Trump and the Republican Congress want to give to the country's wealthiest people and dynasties. This is sacriligious!!! The Waltons, the Rockefellers, the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson DO NOT need another tax break!!!!

What's even more sad is that the middle-class is dying because the rich keep taking from the middle class and the poor in order to give to the rich. It's Robin Hood in reverse!!!!

This is exactly what happened throughout our history which led to the destruction of seemingly stable countries. This is what led to the French Revolution. This is what led to the Russian Revolution. This is the present situation in Saudi Arabia where the Saudi royal family owns most of the country's wealth while the large majority of its citizens are poor. And people wonder why they hate the United States?? Guess what? The United States is the main reason why this has been going on for at least half of the past century and today. The United States has served as the Saudi royal family's bodyguards while they keep on embezzeling their people!! That's the main reason why they hate Americans in that part of the world since they blame them for protecting the people who have been robbing them blind for nearly 70 years!!!
 

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More censorship today from the White House as they decided to ban live broadcasts of today's presser with Sean "Spicy" Spicer. Only audio will be allowed and networks will only be allowed to broadcast the audio once the press briefing is over.

Life is good in the Land of Uncle Sam!!! :lol:
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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3 CNN news reporters had to resign due to fake news about Trump, now that comes as a shock... NOT.
 

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3 CNN news reporters had to resign due to fake news about Trump, now that comes as a shock... NOT.

Isn't that story in itself fake news?? I've since read on twitter that it's a made-up story and haven't been able to find a reliable source that confirmed it.

Even if true, what's ironic is that the Trump White House has been spreading fake news and blatant lies over the past 6 months yet no one's lost their job because of it and they've actually doubled-down on those lies.

Today's a big day for the Senate GOP healthcare bill. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it passes. I can't wait to see people crying that they got fucked by Trump and the GOP again!! :thumb:

p.s. By the way, i blame the GOP Congress more than Donald Trump for this debacle.
 

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Here is a tweet from Keith Olbermann to Trump in regards to the mentally ill one constantly tweeting about that CNN (fake?) story this morning:

"Are there management changes for whoever was the idiot who pushed the Obama Birther fantasy as "news"? Oh, right...that was YOU, Loser!"
 

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What really is the GOP healthcare bill?

Here's a simple explanation:

Trumpcare is a billionaire’s tax cut disguised as a health care bill: It's one of largest transfers of wealth from working families to the top 1% in history.
 

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Here's GOP Senator Lindsay Graham to an interviewer earlier this morning:

"If you're counting on the President to have your back, you need to watch it. But if you're looking for political cover from the White House, i'm not sure they're gonna to give it to you."
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Could not find anything about the CNN resignation?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/...sign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40414886
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-in-fallout-from-retracted-russia-story.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/latest-cnn-journalists-resign-retracted-story-48292956

I really would like to know where you search for your news.

And the Obamacare was not good for the citizens at all.

And HRC is a corrupt POS, main reason she lost.
 

jalimon

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CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, Nytimes and Washingtonpost are all false news, who makes real one? Only Breitbart?

Hey I read on the Internet today that 1 out of 3 Trump supporters is as stupid at the 2 other, could that be real or false? Just a joke ;)

Cheers,
 

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Hey I read on the Internet today that 1 out of 3 Trump supporters is as stupid at the 2 other, could that be real or false? Just a joke ;)

Cheers,

According to Jared Kushner, Trump himself told him that Republican voters are all stupid and will believe anything he says.
 

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Fake news was never such a huge problem before Trump came along and made it a huge issue by lying so often.
Any of you fact checkers know how many times Trump has lied since he took office ?
 

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Fake news was never such a huge problem before Trump came along and made it a huge issue by lying so often.
Any of you fact checkers know how many times Trump has lied since he took office ?

But that is how the right works. Deny and even destroy the facts and you are not lying anymore. You are just telling bullshit. Remember when one of Harper's first move was to abolish the Cencus and cut down heavily on Statistic Canada. These were producing counter productive facts for the right...

Cheers,

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
― George Carlin
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Fake news was never such a huge problem before Trump came along and made it a huge issue by lying so often.
Any of you fact checkers know how many times Trump has lied since he took office ?

I have to admit that Trump is his worst enemy but the " Fake news " has nothing to do with his gaffs it is all the " fake news " from reporters against Trump, you know, the ones that are never proven and they just roll onto the next one.
There was also a very recent article where a major news company stated that the Trump / Russia crap really was just a witch hunt, there will never be any proof.
Democrats/Liberals/Socialists need to get a life and stop worrying about Trump, the US economy is doing well, dollar is up and so are the stocks. People in Canada should not be concerned with Trump at all.
What if I told you that the Liberal based media im Canada is filling the papers with Trump articles to keep your minds off what our own government is doing here... Thought for the day.
 

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No cameras will not be allowed AGAIN for today's press briefing which will be held by Spicy. Censorship!!!

The WH didn't like the Playboy writer berating Sarah Chunkabee-Sanders yesterday. After seeing it, i think i'll re-subscribe to Playboy! :lol:
 
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