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Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
Trump told a blatant lie.
He said that other countries were happy when the USA signed the Paris agreement because it put the USA at an economic disadvantage.


The Paris accord always was a sham. Its targets were voluntary, allowing Germany, Japan, China, India and other signatories to continue their massive coal developments, and others, such as the U.K., to embark on aggressive programs to develop shale gas. But though it was a sham to which most leaders paid lip service, Paris did gull a large segment of the public into thinking the countries of the world had made some grand bargain to which they must adhere, giving politicians new justifications for taxing the public through carbon policies. Canada’s left-leaning politicians, led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, have especially went at this opportunity.
As president, I can put no other consideration before the well-being of American citizens. The Paris climate accord is simply the latest example of Washington entering into an agreement that disadvantages the United States to the exclusive benefit of other countries. Leaving American workers, who I love, and taxpayers to absorb in terms of lost jobs, lower wages, shuttered factories and vastly diminished economic production.
Not only does this deal subject our citizens to harsh economic restrictions, it fails to live up to our environmental ideals. As someone who cares deeply about the environment, which I do, I cannot in good conscience support a deal that punishes the United States, which is what it does, the world's leader in environmental protection, while imposing no meaningful obligations on the world's leading polluters.
For example, under the agreement, China will be able to increase these emissions by a staggering number of years, 13. They can do whatever they want for 13 years. Not us. India makes its participation contingent on receiving billions and billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid from developed countries. There are many other examples but the bottom line is that the Paris accord is very unfair at the highest level to the United States.
Even Europe is allowed to continue construction of coal plants. In short, the agreement doesn't eliminate coal jobs. It just transfers those jobs out of America and the United States, and ships them to foreign countries. This agreement is less about the climate and more about other countries gaining a financial advantage over the United States. The rest of the world applauded when we signed the Paris agreement. They went wild. They were so happy. For the simple reason that it put our country, the United States of America, which we all love, at a very, very big economic disadvantage. Canada is now in a huge economic disadvantage over the US.

Also: Canada is carbon neutral ( even though carbon is not a cause of global warming,https://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3 ), if we revert back to the stone age and shut down everything on a global scale it will do nothing so cutting back 20% does fuck all except bankrupt us... Think about it.

The best thing Trump did for the US was pull out of the Paris Accord, hopefully Justine follows suit and stops with the carbon tax grab bullshit.

This argument ought to be low hanging fruit to any half way intelligent politician: it’s such an obvious way of connecting with the workers. Yet Trump is the only one who has ever said it. And hearing him say it was a reminder of why it was that he won the presidential election. He connects with his people in a way that so many politicians just don’t.

Compare and contrast with the other world leaders: Merkel, May, Macron, Trudeau, Turnbull — not one of those charlatans dares tell the truth about the global climate change industry, that it’s a racket which achieves nothing but simply transfers wealth from Western nations to countries like India and China.
 

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STN you are missing an important point.
No country or agreement was forcing the US to do anything that they didn`t want to do.
The Paris agreement was voluntary and each country set up their own targets without any consequences if not met .
Besides if we are talking jobs.....there are far more jobs created by clean energy than coal.
There was no valid reason for Trump to withdraw and join the ranks of a rogue state like Syria.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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No country or agreement was forcing the US to do anything that they didn`t want to do.
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Trump also said the U.S. would no longer send money to the Green Climate Fund (GCF), which was created to fund green energy projects in poor countries. The Paris agreement required developed countries fund the GCF.

The Obama administration pledged $3 billion to the GCF, but was only able to give the fund $1 billion in 2016 before the Trump administration took over. Trump’s budget proposal zeroes out GCF funding.

As part of the Paris accord, the U.S. and other developed countries promised to give $100 billion in climate aid to poor countries by 2020.


This is want I was talking about, plus the fact that India, China and others could continue polluting more and more plus getting billions while the US and Canada are expected to reduce and pay.

Just to add again: https://www.facebook.com/GrassrootsCitizens/videos/1377672412311762/
 

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I agree with you.
Unfortunately signatures from , China, India, and Russia are worthless, they have no intention on actually conforming to anything they sign, try going to these countries and be sure to bring your mask.
Some of the corporations that urged Trump to stay are the same ones that are having their products manufactured in those countries, they are just playing games with everybody, they play the good corporate citizen in the media and then outsource their manufacturing to these countries.

Signature of China and russia were worthless till USA pulled out. Now they have the edge and know they will be the countries that will lead the innovative energy less economy. Why do you think all major USA industry leader is mad at fucking Trump. He gave them the joker.

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And do not forget that we are dealing with a guy that never released is taxes. One day we will know. And the American will find out how stupid they were of voting for him. We also deal with a guy that cannot answer a straight answer to his tough on climate change. He is leading the country like many hotels and casino he owned, and bankrupt...

Cheers,
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Signature of China and russia were worthless till USA pulled out. Now they have the edge and know they will be the countries that will lead the innovative energy less economy. Why do you think all major USA industry leader is mad at fucking Trump. He gave them the joker.

Cheers,

Trump never claimed he would not be environmemtally friendly, he just wanted out of the bull shit Paris accord. One does not need to be on the accord to be innovative in environmental projects, Canada is the most environmental oil and gas extracting countries in the world, g8ving billions to India or China and watch them build many more coal generators and pollute to the max makes no sense. Do you really think that the money being funneled onto the acord will be spent wisely? Serious. If even 30% gets used towards environmental concerns I would be amazed, the rest will feed politicians. Just my opinion.
 

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You are right about that, but isn't it ironic that the leaders in manufacturing these products will be the same ones that will also be the biggest polluters.
These countries and corporations are more worried about their pockets than the environment.

I brought this up once at the company I worked during a go green rally after returning from a trip to Russia and China. We had just increased our outsourcing by 20%. I was told to apply my energy to the task at hand and let our marketing group handle all things related to the environment.


I have been to China and india where many days you fucking need to stay home inside or wear a mask! It's fucking bad!! Yes true they do not care about Paris accord. They care about breathing!

What Trump did is just a step back to say we do not care we are getting back to our old polluting economy while you guys develop innovative less polluting ones that will win the market.

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These countries that signed this agreement do not abide by it, so what difference does it make anyway? Many of these international agreements are mere shams- political feel good bullshit that snookers all of us into thinking there is some harmony. There is no reason to be a party to an agreement when you are the only one living up to it.
 

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Trump never claimed he would not be environmemtally friendly, he just wanted out of the bull shit Paris accord. One does not need to be on the accord to be innovative in environmental projects, Canada is the most environmental oil and gas extracting countries in the world, g8ving billions to India or China and watch them build many more coal generators and pollute to the max makes no sense. Do you really think that the money being funneled onto the acord will be spent wisely? Serious. If even 30% gets used towards environmental concerns I would be amazed, the rest will feed politicians. Just my opinion.

Only maybe 1% of the population know about the details of th the paris accord. All others dont know and dont care. All they know is that by pulling out the usa are giving a sign that they do not fucking care about climate change.
 

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Only maybe 1% of the population know about the details of th the paris accord. All others dont know and dont care. All they know is that by pulling out the usa are giving a sign that they do not fucking care about climate change.

And what signs are China and Russia giving? You think they give a shit about climate change?
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Only maybe 1% of the population know about the details of th the paris accord. All others dont know and dont care. All they know is that by pulling out the usa are giving a sign that they do not fucking care about climate change.

What you do not understand is that climate will change no matter how much we tax it, companies are building electric cars, solar heating, wind power, smaller more powerfull batteries..... None of this had to do with the Paris accord. As I posted earlier, Trump said the US will still continue in the advancement of being environmentally friendly but the taxes have to stop, the giving billions to China ( which plans to build over 200 coal power stations ), India, still polluting to the max and will not slow down, all south America is heavily polluted, Saudi and oil fields that a human should not even walk through... Nice that the Paris accord excludes these countries and make countries that are trying to even pay them billions..WTF. China has no advantage over the US with them pulling out of the accord, it would even facor the US as they wil not carbon tax businesses or people for no good reason other than a tax grab. With the US pulling out of the accord it puts Canada at a disadvantage, bus9ness have already started to leave due to ip coming taxes, P&G recently left Ontario and many hage already delayed new leases, we can not compete with our taxes. Now our stunned c.... of an environmental minister says now Canada need to really step up, another way of saying raise the fucking taxes on the name of climate change. Anyways, had a fee bowls and a few Grolsch ( very cold ), enjoy the weekend and do not worry what Trump does, keep an eye on Justine and hang on to your wallet.
Tada..
 

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There is no reason to be a party to an agreement when you are the only one living up to it.

Even if the US was the only abiding party, which won't be the case because of the urgency of the matter, it's still significant because the US is responsible for a huge part of carbon pollution. The Green Fund was put in place to aid developing countries because they make up a fraction of worldwide carbon output. And China is ramping up windmill energy production. And as many others have said, room to expand clean energy is much wider than trying to expand coal when the market has unequivocally given coal its death knell--yes, the market and not boogeyman Obama energy policies. (A new coal plant to extract coal for steel production will be opening soon. Coal industry primarily relied on type of coal used for producing electricity).
 

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And what signs are China and Russia giving? You think they give a shit about climate change?

I disagree with you. Even North Korea gives a shit about climate change.

Trump doesn't give a shit since he'll long be dead by the time the damage caused by pollution reaches catastrophic level. Cities along the coast such as South Beach will likely be underwater only after he's been gone for years. Donald Trump has, is and will always think of one person: himself. He's one of the most selfish persons in the history of the world.
 

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You guys do understand that the moves has nothing to do about climate down the road.

Trump is paying a hefty political price for a change to obamacar that will leave 23 million with no cover...
Mexico or congress will not pay for a stupid wall.
Most if not all is other stupid campaign promises will never materialize.

With this fuck you to the world, he now can say that he made one that will materialize. Against the will of many big US business, many Mayor and Governor.

He is trolling the world, not leading it.

Cheers,
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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You guys do understand that the moves has nothing to do about climate down the road.

Trump is paying a hefty political price for a change to obamacar that will leave 23 million with no cover...
Mexico or congress will not pay for a stupid wall.
Most if not all is other stupid campaign promises will never materialize.

With this fuck you to the world, he now can say that he made one that will materialize. Against the will of many big US business, many Mayor and Governor.

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The climate change is nothing but that , climate change. Computerized models are manipulated ( proven ) to produce the results environmentalists want, no amount of taxes will change the weather, the redistribution of wealth was not in favor to the US. Obama pledged 3 billion but could only give 1 billion before Trump stopped it, China Russia and India gave ZERO. Every single country that pays nothing is building coal generators and will continue to pollute to the max, China is building very cheap wind turbines that do not produce enough power, no gain, lots of costs and China will never do anything to hurt their economy, Carbon tax in China, never ever gonna happen same for India, Saudi, Brazil etc..
The Obamacare I agree with you, it was not good but better than Trumps. Obamacare would have raised the deficit by perhaps a trillion over a few years, who cares.
The wall will not be built but i am reading about an electronic wall that is much more cheaper and is still a wall, who really cares.
As for campaign promises, every politician has broken promises, if you were really concerned about that you should be raging about Justine, far more broken than Trump.
The big business that bitch outsource overseas so their bitching is canceled.
Bottom line, Trump saved the US citizens thousands of dollars each every year, made the businesses more competitive, saved billions from the deficit and nothing will change climate wise, it will do as it wants.

For climate change read this. https://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3
http://principia-scientific.org/two-new-studies-destroy-climate-crisis-greenhouse-gas-carbon-claims/

Ahhh the Irony.
Watched CBC news and listened to how all the "Experts" believe Trump is an idiot for abandoning the paris climate accords.
Then I just watched DocZone afterwards.Priceless episode, "The Trouble With Experts". 29-09-2011. This should be required watching for "Journalists". Even better with the senior meteorologist Dave Phillips commenting on how there is a disclaimer on all Gov't forecasts as there is actually no certainty on forecasting the weather. Stange how 6 years go by and he's now the go-to-guy for tv expertise on climate change for Environment Can.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Donald Trump has, is and will always think of one person: himself. He's one of the most selfish persons in the history of the world.

You never met my ex wife.
 
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Really? really? your using friends of science site as a reference???
Really? You must take us all for a bunch a crack pots, a site written by a bunch of Alberta oil professionals.

I can't wrap my mind around this one , I really can't.
 
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