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EagerBeaver said:
Click on the trailer for the Bronx is Burning (debuting tonight on ESPN right after the Home Run Derby) and you will see a hysterical cameo by Jason Giambi, who plays a NYC taxi driver.

"Yo, Reggie. You gonna play for the Yankees?" That's hysterical? Okay. :confused:

I must admit that Giambi (if he had any acting skills at all) could possibly successfully play the part of Babe Ruth one day. John Goodman was way too overweight to play him in the last movie about the Babe. By the way...will Giambi play baseball again? It seems like everyone's forgotten about him these days.

I agree that this mini-series is must-see tv for the serious baseball fan. I really hope it's shown in Canada. John Torturo appears to be great in the role of Billy Martin. I don't know about Oliver Platt playing Steinbrenner, though...but we'll see.
 

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Doc,

In this morning's newspaper it said local Connecticut actors were hired to play several key roles in the mini-series, including that of Bobby Cox who is now the manager of the Atlanta Braves, but was 1st base coach for the 1977 Yankees. Interestingly Dick Howser, who later managed the 1985 World Champion Royals, was 3rd base coach for the 1977 Yankees. Apparently, much of the miniseries was filmed in Connecticut, including all of the baseball scenes. A former pitcher at Southern Connecticut State was hired to play the role of legendary feast or famine slugger Dave Kingman, who played for the Mets in spring training 1977.

Based on some previews I saw, Platt and Turturro play the roles of Steinbrenner and Martin in a comically over the top fashion. Daniel Sunjata plays the starring role of Reggie Jackson. Sunjata is not quite as muscularly built in the upper body as Reggie was, but he otherwise nicely mimicks Reggie's hairdo and mannerisms. Some of Reggie's lines are right out of the "Bronx Zoo", the classic book about that season by Sparky Lyle, the Yankees' Cy Young Award winning relief pitcher. I think the "Bronx Is Burning" book, which I have not read, also incorporated some of this dialogue which was well known and well reported by the New York media at the time.

The miniseries figures to be great entertainment for both Yankees fans and Yankees haters alike. I can't wait for it, to be honest.
 

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In this morning's newspaper it said local Connecticut actors were hired to play several key roles in the mini-series, including that of Bobby Cox who is now the manager of the Atlanta Braves, but was 1st base coach for the 1977 Yankees. Some of Reggie's lines are right out of the "Bronx Zoo", the classic book about that season by Sparky Lyle, the Yankees' Cy Young Award winning relief pitcher. I think the "Bronx Is Burning" book, which I have not read, also incorporated some of this dialogue which was well known and well reported by the New York media at the time.

Bobby Cox....in my book, a great manager. I still consider him to be the best manager that the Toronto Blue Jays ever had. As for "The Bronx Zoo", that was a fantastic book. I became a Yankee fan at around the time that this book came out. Actually, i cheered for them in that World Series against the Reds back in 1976. If my memory is correct, Craig Nettles played catcher in many of the games. I also loved reading Craig Nettles' book. Wasn't it titled "Balls"? Billy Martin's book (Number One) was also very enjoying to read. But as the years went by, i just got sick of the Yankees & all their foolish spending & that fat prick Steinbrenner & his circus, so i began to strictly cheer for the Jays & the Expos. By the way, i'm presently reading a great book about the Montreal Expos saga. It's called "Remembering the Montreal Expos", written by Danny Gallagher. The book brings back great memories & has a lot of great 'inside' stories that i didn't know about. It gives insight into what led to its demise & what was needed to save the franchise. I"m still convinced to this day after reading the book that a brand new outdoor stadium in downtown Montreal & adjacent to the Bell Center would have saved the Expos. But the feuds among the ownership group were detrimental to the team and its cause, which led to the sale of the Expos to Jeffrey Loria, which meant goodbye Expos. If only that 1994 season wouldn't have been cancelled....who knows, the Expos might have won the Word Series. Oh, how i loved the Expos back in the late 70's and for most of the 80's & 90's. But in their later years, i got sick of them because of all the nonsense & during the summer, being holed up inside cavernous Olympic Stadium was the last place i wanted to be. That place had become by then possibly the worse place to ever watch a live baseball game. Plus, it took an eternity to get there.
 

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I don't remember Graig Nettles playing catcher in the World Series. He was a great defensive third baseman who led the AL in homers in 1977 with 37. The Yankees' catcher was Thurman Munson, captain of the team and an All-Star player, and a tremendous clutch hitter. I believe the back up catcher on the 1977 team may have been Cliff Johnson, who was primarily used as the DH but was also capable of playing catcher. He may have been the third string catcher, but I remember him being used at catcher.

The Yankees had a great pinch hitter/DH who came off the bench by the name of Oscar Gamble. Gamble was a left handed hitter with a distinctive huge afro hairdo. He was only about 5'10" but had tremendous power for his size and was a dead pull hitter. He had several clutch late inning, game winning upper deck homers in 1977. I remember his open stance and with certain pitchers he would crowd the plate and turn on the inside fastballs. The Yankees also had Lou Piniella as a reserve outfielder and pinch hitter who was another dangerous clutch hitter.

Current Mets manager Willie Randolph was the Yankees' second baseman. At that time, he and Royals second baseman Frank White were the two best second basemen in the AL. White was a little bit better defensively, while Willie could do more with the bat and on the bases. He and center fielder Mickey Rivers gave the Yankees speed and base stealing threats at the top of the lineup. Munson batted 3rd and Reggie was the cleanup hitter, followed by Nettles in the 5 hole.
 
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Red Sox 1977

By the ways, the Yankees beat out a great Red Sox team to win the pennant in 1977. I strongly believe the second best team in baseball in both 1977 and 1978 was not the Dodgers but the Red Sox. Their pitching staff was decent, not great, but their lineup was the best in the major leagues those two years, with tremendous power up and down the lineup- Yaz, Fisk, Rice, Lynn, Hobson, Cecil Cooper and Dwight "Dewey" Evans. I do recall a game in 1977 (I believe during the June series in which Boston swept the Yankees) in which they hit 5 homers off of Catfish Hunter.
 

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I agree that the Red Sox in the late 70's had a great team & were very possibly the 2nd best team in all of baseball. I recently bought the dvd boxed set of the 1975 series....possibly the best WS ever. I still remember how depressed i felt after that game 7 loss to the Cincinnati Reds. How it broke my heart! My favorite player back then was Carlton Fisk, mostly due to that dramatic homerun he it in game 6. I still remember fondly the routine he'd go through whenever he'd go up to bat. How can i forget the theatrics of pinch-hitter Bernie Carbo & my favorite pitcher back then, Luis "EL Tiante" Tiant.

I was referring to the 1976 World Series against the Reds when i mentionned Nettles backing up Munson at catcher. I just googled the boxed score of that 4-game series & it appears that i was wrong about Nettles ever making an appearance at catcher. They were blown out of that series & never really had a chance against the powerful Big Red Machine. Whatever happened to that dynasty anyway? Was it killed by free agency? I still remember how great pitcher Don Gullett was back then....and what a potentially great relief pitcher Rawley Eastwick could have been. Joe Morgan, George Foster, Pete Rose, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, Johnny Bench, Cesar Geronimo....man, those guys were great!
 

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Doc Holliday said:
They were blown out of that series & never really had a chance against the powerful Big Red Machine. Whatever happened to that dynasty anyway? Was it killed by free agency? I still remember how great pitcher Don Gullett was back then....and what a potentially great relief pitcher Rawley Eastwick could have been. Joe Morgan, George Foster, Pete Rose, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, Johnny Bench, Cesar Geronimo....man, those guys were great!
I'd hesitate to call the Big Red Macine a dynasty, Doc, with only two World Championships. The were a very good team, but not a great one, as their pitching was a bit thin. They barely won the 1975 Series and probably wouldn't have had Bill Lee not thrown an ill-advised eephus to Tony Perez. They went into the 1976 Post Season hot and just rolled on through.

I think for the most part they got old and the pitching got even thinner. Perez and Rose were both past their prime in 1976. Foster was only a great player for a few years. Morgan was 32 and on the decline. While only 28, Johnny Bench had only one more great season in front of him. The rest of the offense, while solid, was not great.

The best team of that period was the one that didn't win a series, The Boston Red Sox. The 1978 team was a juggernaut, team that couldn't miss had they not been managed by a man who buried half his pitching staff because he didn't like them. Jim Willoughby, Ferguson Jenkins, and Bill Lee, fine pitchers all, were basically banished to the bullpen after the All Star Break and after the Bernie Carbo trade. They were all part of a clique that called themselves the Buffalo Heads. Had Don Zimmer not decided that he'd rather lose than use Willoughby, Lee, or Jenkins, the Red Sox would have been unstoppable. Zimmer should have been charged with crimes against humanity.
 

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Doc Holliday said:
I agree that the Red Sox in the late 70's had a great team & were very possibly the 2nd best team in all of baseball. I recently bought the dvd boxed set of the 1975 series....possibly the best WS ever. I still remember how depressed i felt after that game 7 loss to the Cincinnati Reds. How it broke my heart! My favorite player back then was Carlton Fisk, mostly due to that dramatic homerun he it in game 6. I still remember fondly the routine he'd go through whenever he'd go up to bat. How can i forget the theatrics of pinch-hitter Bernie Carbo & my favorite pitcher back then, Luis "EL Tiante" Tiant.

Hello all,

Remember how Jim Rice, probably the most feared hitter on the team, could not play either the 1975 League Championship Series or World Series. What would that have done to a Cincinnati pitching staff that was desperately taxed without his presence??? Well, so much for..."would have".

I have seen interviews with Reds players about that series and it seems clear even they understand that they became the villains by winning. Fisk won the hearts of the multitudes for the Red Sox with his Game 6 triumph. From that point on the Reds could do no more than play the spoilers. What an irony that the semi-legendary Big Red Machine won the game and lost nearly every heart beyond Cincinnati.

But when it comes to heartbreak not even the 1975 loss comes close to 1986: the "One Strike Series". The loss in 1975 was deeply disappointing. But I think there was the air of a "moral victory" that helped Red Sox fans deal with the pain. However, 1986 was simply tragic. To be leading by two runs in the 10th in game 6 with one strike to go seemed like a World Series victory at last was a sealed deal. Then to see it all fall apart was pure Greek tragedy. I was in deep shock for days, unable to eat or sleep. And there was nothing, no monumental feat of heroics by Carlton Fisk to mollify the loss. For a long time after I think even the non-superstitious of us wondered if the curse wasn't truly real. What could be worse. Well, seeing your team leading a series 3-0 against your greatest historical rivals then losing 4 straight...OH YEAH...that is definitely much worse...LOL!

Thanks Yankee fans,

Korbel

...SAFE...Dave Roberts has stolen second base with Mariano Rivera on the mound. Roberts is now in scoring position... :D :D :D
 
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According to soxprospects.com, Justin Masterson is the Red Sox number 6 prospect. Masterson, 22, a 6'6" 250 righthander was drafted in 2006 in the second round.

Masterson started the 2007 season with Lancaster of the California League, pitching in perhaps the worst pitching environment in all of organized baseball and pitched to a very acceptable 4.33 ERA before being moved up to Portland of the Eastern League, the Sox AA affiliate. He made his first start for Portland tonight going 6.2 innings without allowing a hit. Masterson walked 2 and struck out 9.
 

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The 1978 team was a juggernaut, team that couldn't miss had they not been managed by a man who buried half his pitching staff because he didn't like them. Jim Willoughby, Ferguson Jenkins, and Bill Lee, fine pitchers all, were basically banished to the bullpen after the All Star Break and after the Bernie Carbo trade. They were all part of a clique that called themselves the Buffalo Heads. Had Don Zimmer not decided that he'd rather lose than use Willoughby, Lee, or Jenkins, the Red Sox would have been unstoppable. Zimmer should have been charged with crimes against humanity.

A few years ago, i spoke to one of the three pitchers that you named & he basically said the same thing. Don Zimmer`s boneheaded decisions after the all-star break lost them the pennant & the Yankees capitalized on his mental miscues.
 

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Doc Holliday said:
A few years ago, i spoke to one of the three pitchers that you named & he basically said the same thing. Don Zimmer`s boneheaded decisions after the all-star break lost them the pennant & the Yankees capitalized on his mental miscues.
Actually, my memory is faulty here as Willoughby and Jenkins were both traded after the 1977 season, both because of Zimmer's dislike for them as people. Had the Hall of Famer Jenkins been with the team in 1978, they'd have won the pennant going away. Had Lee not been banished to the bullpen and forgotten after the All Star break, they'd have won the pennant. Had Zimmer not run the injured Butch Hobson out to third base everyday, allowing him to make 43, yes 43, errors, they'd have won the pennant. (Hobson had bone chips in his right elbow and was unable to control his throws. Almost all of Hobson's errors were throwing errors.)

In mid-September, the Yankees came to Boston four games out for a four game series, now known as the Boston massacre. After losing the first three games with Lee, a noted Yankee killer languishing in the bullpen, Zimmer sent rookie Bobby Sprowl out for the Sunday game to face the Yankees. Sprowl lasted 2/3 of an inning and by the time Lee was brought in in the 7th, the Sox trailed 7-3. The final was 7-4.

I can only assume the pitcher with whom you spoke, Doc, was Ontario native, Fergie Jenkins.
 

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I can only assume the pitcher with whom you spoke, Doc, was Ontario native, Fergie Jenkins.

Maybe, maybe not. Fergie doesn't come up to Canada very often anymore. He used to own a farm in Chatham, Ontario, but i believe he sold it years ago. I could be mistaken. I did get to meet the Spaceman once though...many years ago during a softball benefit. He sure was no fan of Zimmer, nor of former executive/manager Jim Fanning, who actually is a tremendously nice person. I spent a whole game sitting next to him one day when he was on a scouting trip. Indeed, i have also spoken to Fergie on several occasions many years ago, but he wasn't much the type to talk baseball all night long.

One thing about those former Red Sox players that i noticed....many of them still care a lot about their former team & can still get very passionate in defending the Red Sox whenever you bring up the subject of the 1975 WS, the Bucky Dent homerun, the Bill Buckner fumble, etc.

On another note, Alex Rios sure surprised a lot of people last night during the Homerun Derby. Including me!

TSN didn't show the Yankees mini-series after the Derby, unfortunately. Looks like i'll either have to download it or wait for it to come out on dvd next year.
 
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Hillenbrand Released by Angels......Yankees next?

That troublemaking, whining crybaby finally got his release from the California Angels, who considered his hitting to be "mediocre". Will the Yankees put a smile on my face & sign this bum?

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070709.wsptshea9/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home

p.s. Toronto trading him to SF last year for Jeremy Accardo was a stroke of genius. Accordo is currently filling in for BJ Ryan as the team's closer & has performed admirably.
 

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Bronx Is Burning, Episode 1

This miniseries is quite fascinating, at least to me. Here are the key events depicted in the opening episode:

I. REENACTMENT OF THE INFAMOUS REGGIE JACKSON-BILLY MARTIN FIGHT AT FENWAY PARK, JUNE 18, 1977

There are two interesting things about how they reenact this. First, they splice real footage of the Jim Rice check-swing bloop single over Wille Randolph's head with a reenactment of the play by actor Daniel Sunjata as Reggie Jackson. Sunjata's play on the ball was exactly as I remember the actual play. The ball dribbles into short rightfield, and Jackson does not jog after the ball (as is later claimed), but runs at decidedly less than full speed. It sort of looks borderline as to whether he was loafing, but certainly I have seen worse examples of a lack of hustle (by guys like Manny Ramirez) that did not result in the humiliating benching of the player in mid inning.

Carlos May is sent in to play right field as Martin makes a pitching change, and as Reggie runs in from the outfield in disbelief, he and Billy come to blows in the dugout. Billy yells at Reggie for not hustling and Reggie retorts, "you are a used up old man! you want a piece of me, come and get it!" Billy then charges Reggie twice, but is restrained by coaches and players.

II. THE YANKEES ARE SWEPT BY THE REDS IN THE 1976 WORLD SERIES, AND STEINBRENNER IS DETERMINED TO AVENGE THE DEFEAT

The episode then jumps back in time, first to George's signing of Billy Martin in July 1975 after he is fired by the Texas Rangers, and then fast forwards to the Yankees' sweep in the 1976 World Series by the Cincinnato Reds.

What's interesting is the depiction of a meeting right after the 1976 World Series sweep between George Steinbrenner, Billy Martin and Gabe Paul, who was then Yankees GM. There is a discussion of how to improve the team, and both Martin and Paul tell George that the Yankees need a power hitter to protect Munson, and a shortstop, because Fred "Chicken" Stanley, the 1976 starting SS, was deemed not to be major league calibre (and he wasn't). The discussion then focuses on 3 players: Bobby Grich, Reggie Jackson, and Joe Rudi. Martin wants Rudi, because he feels the Yankees lineup is overloaded with lefthanded hitters and Rudi is a better outfielder than Reggie. Steinbrenner agrees that Grich should be the primary free agent target, but says that if Grich signs with the Angels (as he does, reportedly because Steinbrenner "threatened" him) Reggie should be the primary target. Martin complains that Reggie is a weak outfielder and not a team player, and that a righthanded hitter is needed. He greatly favors Rudi over Reggie.

III. THE YANKEES SIGN REGGIE, 5 YEARS @ $3 MILLION

Several interesting things are discussed here. First, Padres owner Ray Kroc, then owner of the McDonald's empire, offers Reggie more money than the Yankees do. In a series of interesting meetings, Steinbrenner, portrayed by Oliver Platt as a fast talking hustler of a salesman, denigrates the Kroc offer by explaining to Reggie that he will make far more in endorsement money with the Yankees than the Padres will ever pay him. Reggie says to George, "you can make that happen for me?" George says, "I don't need to make anything happen. It will happen on its own. We are 2 blocks away from Madison Avenue. This is New York- the big stage!"

IV. "THE STRAW THAT STIRS THE DRINK" INTERVIEW

The last interesting highlight is a reenactment of the legendary Sport Magazine interview in which Reggie is quoted as saying "I am the straw that stirs the drink, Munson can only stir it bad." The interview takes place in the Banana Boat Bar, where Reggie meets Robert Ward of Sport magazine. Also at the bar that night are Whitey Ford and Mickey Mantle. Whitey asks Reggie for his T shirt and Reggie strips off his T shirt, gives it to Whitey and then gets Whitey's cashmir sweater in return.

In the interview, Reggie clearly has had a few drinks and is clearly baited into saying controversial stuff by the crafty Ward. As depicted in the miniseries, Reggie says everything he is quoted as saying in Sport Magazine, despite his later repeated denials.

Interestingly, in a "behind the scenes" segment right after the episode, the real Reggie and the real Ward are both interviewed about what took place that night at the Banana Boat. Not surprisingly, they have very different versions of who said what. According to Reggie, Ward came up with the "straw that stirs the drink" line, and Reggie merely voiced his drunken agreement with the line. Ward claims Reggie spoke the words. I guess the viewer will have to decide who is right!

One other thing- the episode does show who was the backup catcher on the 1977 Yankees, and also Reggie's only friend on the team - Fran Healy.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
Will the Yankees put a smile on my face & sign this bum?
I can't wait.:D
 

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from ESPN: "Don't be surprised if this season is A-Rod's last in pinstripes. According to The New York Daily News, Alex Rodriguez is growing tired of life in the Bronx.
"I don't think there's any question -- he's out of there," a baseball person in San Francisco for the All-Star Game, claiming to have knowledge of the third baseman's mind-set, told the newspaper. "He's telling people how fed up he is with the media in New York and everything that comes with playing there. Throw in the fact the Yankees are facing a major rebuilding job this winter and all of a sudden the one reason he wanted to be there no longer exists."

As I see it, before the Yankees are competitive again, they'll need:
1. a catcher, or to resign the free agent Posada, who will be 36 next year
2. a first baseman
3. a third baseman
4. a center fielder
5. a right fielder
6. a designated hitter
7. several starting pitchers. Not much after Wang and Hughes. Does Pettitte exercise his $16 M player option to come back to NY to play with a losing team? Do the Yankees exercise their $11 M option on the 39 yo Mussina?
8. a bullpen. How much are they willing to offer the 38 yo free agent Rivera? They need to replace most of their ineffective set-up men.

Wow, what a job.
 

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rumpleforeskiin said:
Not much after Wang and Hughes.
Your such a delusional bubble head sometimes rumples, here is a link for you, that is if you can read.

http://www.kearneyhub.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18569218&BRD=268&PAG=461&dept_id=577565&rfi=6

You can also throw in Edwin Ramirez who has the stuff to replace Rivera.

Wow!! what a job by Cashman and the Yankee organization, i think that the future is pretty bright for them, to bad the same thing can not be said for the Red Sox.
 

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You can also throw in Edwin Ramirez who has the stuff to replace Rivera.
Chamberlain is a fine prospect, but 2009 at the earliest.

Edwar, not Edwin, Ramirez barely cracks 90. He's a borderline prospect as a middle reliever, at best. He was on nobody's prospect list before the season and is more likely to vanish completely and quickly than he is to have a significant career.
 

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As I see it before the Red Sox are competitive again because as history shows they will tank during the second half they'll need:

1. a catcher- I burst out laughing when i saw his salary(11 million), also injury prone and will be 36 next year
2. a first baseman- Youkilis is average at best,
3. a third baseman- The way this guy tanks during the second half of the season year after year is pathetic, definitley a upgrade is needed here.
4. a center fielder- What a complete bust this guy has turned out to be, is having a fluke run of late but how long will that last, why do you think the Indians got rid of this bum.
5. a right fielder- Another complete bust and his injury prone body could go anytime, gee i wonder what took the Red Sox so long to sign him to a contract.:rolleyes:
6. a designated hitter- Okay okay i will admit they have one solid position solidified
7. a left fielder- Ramirez is a joke in the field and will be 36 next year and is always in constant trade talks, is he really going to be worth the 20 million that they are paying him.
8. a shortstop- They are paying this sack of shit 8 million, another brilliant move by Epstoned.
9. pitching rotation- Who's combined age is i think aroung 3 million years old, give or take a million.

Wow!! what a job the Red Sox have a head of them.:rolleyes:
 

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This is too moronic to even address, but I will.
Catcher - Still solid, Tek is clearly on the downside of his career. His salary is in large part for career service, reward for the 2004 championship season, and because his handling of a pitching staff is second to none.
First Base - Youkilis OPS is third in the American League.
Second Base - You seemed to overlook the consensus ROY candidate for the first half.
Shortstop - A possible bust contract, to be sure. A-Rod next year?
Third Base - The All Star Lowell's contract is up and there's nothing in the minor league pipeline. They could do a lot worse than resigning Lowell.
Left Field - Certainly there are questions about where Manny is at this stage of his career. His bat speed appears to be down, but, at this point, $18 doesn't seem like such a huge contract. While he may not be the Manny of old, he's still a productive player.
Center Field - Crisp finally appears to be healthy. He's playing a Gold Glove centerfield and has been hotter than a pistol at the plate for the last six weeks.
Right Field - Drew's been hitting a little better, still doesn't appear to be as big a bust as Bobby Abreu. This could be an expensive mistake.
DH- Huge Papi.
Starting pitching - You're a fucking moron Joe. The Sox have 2 26 year old aces, a 21 year old ace joining the squad next year, a 22 year old ace joining the team within the month, and the ageless Mr. Wakefield. The starting rotation is set for years to come.
Pen - With Papelbon, Delcarmen, and the All Star Okajima, the pen is set at the top for years to come. Likely they'll need a few pieces for next year, but not an entire bullpen like the Yankees.

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As I see it before the Red Sox are competitive again because as history shows they will tank during the second half they'll need:

1. a catcher- I burst out laughing when i saw his salary(11 million), also injury prone and will be 36 next year
2. a first baseman- Youkilis is average at best,
3. a third baseman- The way this guy tanks during the second half of the season year after year is pathetic, definitley a upgrade is needed here.
4. a center fielder- What a complete bust this guy has turned out to be, is having a fluke run of late but how long will that last, why do you think the Indians got rid of this bum.
5. a right fielder- Another complete bust and his injury prone body could go anytime, gee i wonder what took the Red Sox so long to sign him to a contract.:rolleyes:
6. a designated hitter- Okay okay i will admit they have one solid position solidified
7. a left fielder- Ramirez is a joke in the field and will be 36 next year and is always in constant trade talks, is he really going to be worth the 20 million that they are paying him.
8. a shortstop- They are paying this sack of shit 8 million, another brilliant move by Epstoned.
9. pitching rotation- Who's combined age is i think aroung 3 million years old, give or take a million.

Wow!! what a job the Red Sox have a head of them.:rolleyes:
 
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