The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007
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Yeah, A-fraud was fabulous. He dropped an easy pop-up, struck out in a key situation with men on base, and, once the game was safely in hand, a two run lead in the 8th inning and Rivera quite well warmed up in the pen, he hit a meaningless home run on a batting practice fastball from a minor league quality pitcher.Joe.t said:
By the way, the last time the Sox lost on opening day was 2004. Anyone remember how that season turned out?
Confirmed, Pavano's arm was found late last night in Section 14 of Maple Leaf Gardens and was suitably disposed of by the cleanup crew.Ziggy Montana said:
Sucks, but there's always a day off after opening day. Sucks most for teams on the road.Doc Holliday said:Rumple:
What's this day off thing anyways? Why aren't the Jays, Red Sox & Evil Empire playing today? This is bullshit!
Actually, Doc, with the Negro Leagues Museum, the Jazz Hall of Fame, and some of the best ribs anywhere in the world, a day in KC would suit me just fine.Doc Holliday said:Sucks if you're stuck in Detroit or Kansas City. I wouldn't mind being in NYC on an off-day, though.
I have been to Kansas City for a few days, on business, a few years back. I had a blast. Had a terrific steak at The Herefore House, and ate great ribs at a place whose name escapes me. The restaurants out there serve enormous portions of food.
I stayed at the Ambassador Suites which had an atrium that made you piss in your pants if you are scared of heights, but otherwise a very nice hotel.
The airport out there is very primitive, and as we came in for the landing I looked out the window and saw a bunch of cows grazing in a pasture.
I stayed at the Ambassador Suites which had an atrium that made you piss in your pants if you are scared of heights, but otherwise a very nice hotel.
The airport out there is very primitive, and as we came in for the landing I looked out the window and saw a bunch of cows grazing in a pasture.
femaleluver2 said:He also got a curtain call right after his homer late in the game. Go figure
Yankee curtain calls mean absolutely nothing!
Get the popcorn ready!!!
Is everbody excited about the show that Beckett will put on tonight?, he is easily one of the most exciting players in baseball.
Is everbody excited about the show that Beckett will put on tonight?, he is easily one of the most exciting players in baseball.
Actually, Doc, Pettitte is only 48. His elbow, however, is 73. Mussina is only 49, but his elbow is 82. Wang, he of the balky hamstring, is not going to be quite so lucky this year, unless he learns to miss a few more bats.Doc Holliday said:
The Yankees will score over 900 runs this year, but allowing well over 800, they're off to a rousing start en route to an 88 win season.
Yep, and another guy too. Don't know if Honest Abe's still hanging around these parts, but if I lived in Maine, I'd be making my way to Hadlock Field to watch Clay Buchholz pitch the opener for the Sea Dogs. This kid is going to make people forget Phil Hughes.femaleluver2 said:
We'll know a lot better this afternoon when Will Carroll posts his daily health report over at BP, but my best guess is that Johnny Demon is headed to the DL.
As much as it pains me to admit it i put a $100.00 down on D-Mat to win today, so please D-Mat if your going to win one game all year win this one for good ole Joe.T who is a big fan of yours just for one day.
You gotta be kidding, Joe.T! One just has to pay attention to Matsuzaka's pitching mechanics to understand he's the next big thing in MLB. Rarely witnessed such motion explosiveness before, reminds me of a Clemens with a pause at the top of the motion.Joe.t said:As much as it pains me to admit it i put a $100.00 down on D-Mat to win today, so please D-Mat if your going to win one game all year win this one for good ole Joe.T who is a big fan of yours just for one day.
Yeah, their pitching is pretty sorry. Baseball Prospectus ran an article a few months back on pitchers with similar peripheral stats to Wang, good control, very low strikeout rate, very successful in their first two years in the majors. None of them were able to maintain their success and none won over 70 games in his career.Doc Holliday said:
After last night's debacle in the Bronx, I must say that I'm embarrassed for all of Major League Baseball that the world had to see the miserable defensive display by the Yankees.
Let's count the number of games lost by the Yankees this year due to their shoddy defense and lousy pitching. The number now stands at 1.
Let's count the number of games lost by the Yankees this year due to their shoddy defense and lousy pitching. The number now stands at 1.
It was a bad game by the Yankees, but there were also some terrible defensive plays by the D Rays. Dukes in centerfield misplayed at last 3 balls into hits. A lot of this had to do with the terrible weather conditions including extreme cold and swirling winds, but I saw Dukes make fundamental errors. In playing CF at Yankee Stadium going back on a ball with wind like it was last night you must run to a spot. On the other hand, Dukes looks like a major prospect at the plate - he is a big guy, not quite as big as Frank Thomas, but with a similar batting style and great power.
The A-Rod pop up was especially disappointing because he had a very hittable pitch. Barry Bonds would have hit that pitch into the upper deck in Yankee Stadium. The true greats like Bonds never miss pitches like that.
Regarding Pettite, I did not feel he pitched all that badly. His stuff was good, his command was off and there was MAJOR miscommunication between him and Posada. At one point in the 2nd inning Pettite motioned to Posada that they were going back to the original set of signs (they have two sets, one with runners on base to counteract stealing of signs by the guy at second base). It was clear to me that both before and after the switch Posasa and Pettite were not on the same page and the result was Posada had probably the worst game defensively of his career, with numerous passed balls and wild pitches that could have been blocked except Posada was getting crossed up and did not know what was coming.
Anyway, it is only one early season game in bad weather conditions. There is a lot of baseball left to be played. I seem to recall everyone discounting the Yankees after Matsui and Sheffield went down last year. Yet the Yankees won 97 games, even though regnaD had I believe predicted 88 for a healthy Yankees team at the beginning of the season.
The biggest problem the Yankees have this year is the 4-5 rotation spots which last year caused a much weaker bullpen to be overworked. This year the Yankees have potentially 6 guys for those spots, Igawa, Pavano, Rasner and Kartsens, and possibly Clemens and Hughes waiting in the wings. Last year, the Yankees did not have all of those options at the 4-5 spots. They may not be great options but look at the fucking dogshit that other major league teams, including the Mets, are running out at the 4-5 spots.
The Yankees bullpen did not pitch well last night, but Vizcaino has plus stuff, he will pitch the 7th, Farnsworth the 8th and Mariano the 9th. That is much better than last year. Proctor and Bruney are there for long relief. Proctor did not pitch well last night, but he had a great spring and is coming off a strong 2006 season. Overall, the Yankees bullpen is improved from last year.
The defense on the right side of the infield with Mienkiewitz and Cano is very good. Cano, last night, showed what he does better than any second baseman I have ever seen, which is make the quick swipe tag on a runner stealing second base. He is otherwise very good both in terms of his range and arm.
Jeter had a very bad game last night, both with his range and his throws. I still feel he is nowhere near as bad as he is made out to be and he is at worst average defensively overall. But let's not forget he has won how many gold gloves?
A-Rod is up and down at third base, he has a great arm and makes great plays and at other times botches routine plays. He is capable of putting together a gold glove season.
The key to the season for the Yankees will be getting deep starts from the 4-5 spots in the rotation. I think most other teams, even the good playoff calibre teams, have similar concerns.
The A-Rod pop up was especially disappointing because he had a very hittable pitch. Barry Bonds would have hit that pitch into the upper deck in Yankee Stadium. The true greats like Bonds never miss pitches like that.
Regarding Pettite, I did not feel he pitched all that badly. His stuff was good, his command was off and there was MAJOR miscommunication between him and Posada. At one point in the 2nd inning Pettite motioned to Posada that they were going back to the original set of signs (they have two sets, one with runners on base to counteract stealing of signs by the guy at second base). It was clear to me that both before and after the switch Posasa and Pettite were not on the same page and the result was Posada had probably the worst game defensively of his career, with numerous passed balls and wild pitches that could have been blocked except Posada was getting crossed up and did not know what was coming.
Anyway, it is only one early season game in bad weather conditions. There is a lot of baseball left to be played. I seem to recall everyone discounting the Yankees after Matsui and Sheffield went down last year. Yet the Yankees won 97 games, even though regnaD had I believe predicted 88 for a healthy Yankees team at the beginning of the season.
The biggest problem the Yankees have this year is the 4-5 rotation spots which last year caused a much weaker bullpen to be overworked. This year the Yankees have potentially 6 guys for those spots, Igawa, Pavano, Rasner and Kartsens, and possibly Clemens and Hughes waiting in the wings. Last year, the Yankees did not have all of those options at the 4-5 spots. They may not be great options but look at the fucking dogshit that other major league teams, including the Mets, are running out at the 4-5 spots.
The Yankees bullpen did not pitch well last night, but Vizcaino has plus stuff, he will pitch the 7th, Farnsworth the 8th and Mariano the 9th. That is much better than last year. Proctor and Bruney are there for long relief. Proctor did not pitch well last night, but he had a great spring and is coming off a strong 2006 season. Overall, the Yankees bullpen is improved from last year.
The defense on the right side of the infield with Mienkiewitz and Cano is very good. Cano, last night, showed what he does better than any second baseman I have ever seen, which is make the quick swipe tag on a runner stealing second base. He is otherwise very good both in terms of his range and arm.
Jeter had a very bad game last night, both with his range and his throws. I still feel he is nowhere near as bad as he is made out to be and he is at worst average defensively overall. But let's not forget he has won how many gold gloves?
A-Rod is up and down at third base, he has a great arm and makes great plays and at other times botches routine plays. He is capable of putting together a gold glove season.
The key to the season for the Yankees will be getting deep starts from the 4-5 spots in the rotation. I think most other teams, even the good playoff calibre teams, have similar concerns.
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I'll agree with you on a number points, Beav, disagree on more.
1. Yes, the Rays made a number of key mistakes, but more on offense than defense. They lost three runners on base, making what should have been a blowout a close game. Upton had no business running on that close "passed ball," though, to their credit, both Posada and Pettitte played the ball fabulously. Still, Upton ran them out of what could have been a big inning, with Pettitte on the ropes. Two runners, both of whom should have been safe stealing second, were thrown out because of pop-up slides, which cost them valuable feet.
2. The Yankee infield defense is horrible. Derek "Past a Diving" Jeter won Gold Gloves because he looks flashy, not because he gets outs. Arod has slowed down and is a terrible 3rd baseman. Mientkiewicz has also slowed; he's running on reputation as he hasn't been a good fielder since about 2002. Cano plays an exceptional second base. They also have defensive liabilities in both left and center field.
3. The Yankee bullpen is much stronger than last year.
4. I did not predict 88 wins last year. I don't recall what I predicted, but I always predict a range. Health and roster moves make predicting a specific number foolish; I'll leave foolish to Joe.
The Yankees should club their way to 88-90 wins, giving back 3-4 due to defense. Whether their pitching staff will get them up to the 90-92 needed to win the wild card or the 94-95 needed to win the division will depend on health and roster moves. Will Hughes pitch effectively on his first call up? Will the sign Clemens? Will Wang get another good year out of his K-free material? Will Pettitte's elbow hold up and does he still have enough left to pitch effectively in the AL? Does Moose have another good year or two in him?
While Pettitte was horrible last night, the weather conditions were awful and his spring was cut short. He's a guy who relies on command and both of these factors worked against him. He's also a guy who relies on good defense; he had a fabulous defense in Houston, he doesn't now.
BTW, when I say that the Yankees defense is lousy, I don't say so because of errors. Yes, they made some key errors last night that cost the game, but what will cost them games in the long run is the weak arms in left and center, poor judgement in left, and the lack of range at first, short and third.
1. Yes, the Rays made a number of key mistakes, but more on offense than defense. They lost three runners on base, making what should have been a blowout a close game. Upton had no business running on that close "passed ball," though, to their credit, both Posada and Pettitte played the ball fabulously. Still, Upton ran them out of what could have been a big inning, with Pettitte on the ropes. Two runners, both of whom should have been safe stealing second, were thrown out because of pop-up slides, which cost them valuable feet.
2. The Yankee infield defense is horrible. Derek "Past a Diving" Jeter won Gold Gloves because he looks flashy, not because he gets outs. Arod has slowed down and is a terrible 3rd baseman. Mientkiewicz has also slowed; he's running on reputation as he hasn't been a good fielder since about 2002. Cano plays an exceptional second base. They also have defensive liabilities in both left and center field.
3. The Yankee bullpen is much stronger than last year.
4. I did not predict 88 wins last year. I don't recall what I predicted, but I always predict a range. Health and roster moves make predicting a specific number foolish; I'll leave foolish to Joe.
The Yankees should club their way to 88-90 wins, giving back 3-4 due to defense. Whether their pitching staff will get them up to the 90-92 needed to win the wild card or the 94-95 needed to win the division will depend on health and roster moves. Will Hughes pitch effectively on his first call up? Will the sign Clemens? Will Wang get another good year out of his K-free material? Will Pettitte's elbow hold up and does he still have enough left to pitch effectively in the AL? Does Moose have another good year or two in him?
While Pettitte was horrible last night, the weather conditions were awful and his spring was cut short. He's a guy who relies on command and both of these factors worked against him. He's also a guy who relies on good defense; he had a fabulous defense in Houston, he doesn't now.
BTW, when I say that the Yankees defense is lousy, I don't say so because of errors. Yes, they made some key errors last night that cost the game, but what will cost them games in the long run is the weak arms in left and center, poor judgement in left, and the lack of range at first, short and third.
Doc Holliday said:
You mind picking me up some of the shit that you've been smoking because latley the stuff that i have been getting up here has been crap!!!!
Jeter is coming off a fantastic year where he finished second in MVP voting, A-Rod had a off year(35 hr, 121 rbi) and the astute Rosenthall has been impressed with him that he said a 40-40 year is a possibility this year, Damon has bulked up because of weight lifting in the offseason and he should hit 30 hr if he can stay healthy, Matsui, Abrehu and Giambi should all get well over 100 rbi's, Cano might win the batting title and Cabrera has plenty of upside along with one of the best arms in baseball and was a pretty good replacement for Matsui last year, Posada should have a similar season to last years pretty good year and the only question mark that i have would be Phelps.
Care to show a little bit of guts and put your money where your mouth is and put a little wager on who will win the East?
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Don't think that's what I said at all, Doc.Doc Holliday said:
Jeter has never been a good fielder and he's still a fabulous hitter. A-Rod has certainly slowed defensively, though he's still a fine hitter. I would expect him to once again lead the league in meaningless RBIs. Matsui was never a good fielder and I'd expect him to continue to be a dangerous hitter. Abreu is a fabulous ballplayer. Mientkiewicz was never a hitter and he hasn't een a good fielder for quite a few years.
I do expect a serious decline for Damon. He's no longer a good fielder and he never had much of an arm. Interesting that some moron expects him to hit way more home runs than he's ever hit before.
Posada is defying nature.
This team will score a lot of runs, but will also allow more than the league average.
I might add that I have quite a few concerns about the Sox offense. Lugo is a decent hitter, but not a great leadoff man. 3-4-5 they have the best middle in baseball, though Papi will be hard pressed to match last year. Lowell was great in the first half last year, lousy in the second. What are we going to get from him this year? Is Varitek washed up? (Yes, Joe, you moron. We know (and don't care) what your uneducated mind thinks.) Is Pedroia ready to hit big league pitching? Is Crisp fully healed?
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A-Rod Walk Off Grand Slam Wins It!
A-Rod finally came through with a walk off grand slam this afternoon to help the Yankees win 10-7, which obscured and obfuscated another terrible game by the Yankees, overcome by truly special at bats in the 9th inning by Jeter, Abreu and finally A-Rod. Ray, the Orioles' closer, appeared to have no idea where his pitches were going at any time in the 9th inning.
A-Rod hit 2 homers today, had 6 RBIs and appears to be off to a red hot start with the bat.
Igawa was consistently up in the strike zone and got hammered. This after going 2-0 with a 3.13 ERA in the spring, and leading the Yankees staff in strikeouts. On a positive note, the bullpen hurled 4 scoreless innings after the Igawa mess, which kept the game manageable.
I would say the Yankees are lucky to be 2-2 at this point, but hopefully this comeback win will light a fire under the team.
A-Rod finally came through with a walk off grand slam this afternoon to help the Yankees win 10-7, which obscured and obfuscated another terrible game by the Yankees, overcome by truly special at bats in the 9th inning by Jeter, Abreu and finally A-Rod. Ray, the Orioles' closer, appeared to have no idea where his pitches were going at any time in the 9th inning.
A-Rod hit 2 homers today, had 6 RBIs and appears to be off to a red hot start with the bat.
Igawa was consistently up in the strike zone and got hammered. This after going 2-0 with a 3.13 ERA in the spring, and leading the Yankees staff in strikeouts. On a positive note, the bullpen hurled 4 scoreless innings after the Igawa mess, which kept the game manageable.
I would say the Yankees are lucky to be 2-2 at this point, but hopefully this comeback win will light a fire under the team.
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