The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[Joe.t]

Oh, we're on. Shall I book her now?

Its okay I have already reserved her for November 4th(next time that I am in town), thanks anyway delusional pal of mine.

 

[Joe.t]

How could anybody root against Colorado after reading this article about Clint Hurdle's life.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7368024

 

[eastender]

Team Speed and Wins

Hallelujah!!! At last, a cogent response from EE!! (However, for this person to accuse anyone of mis-direction is laughable at best.)

Hench is really quite silly, as EE points out. Gagne and Lopez are, indeed, marginal and neither is likely to pitch in a situation high-leverage enough to be the goat. Quite tough to be the goat when you're down 6 runs when you enter the game.

He mentions Lugo. The only way Lugo can be the goat is with his glove as his offensive expectations are as low as low can be.

The Rockies don't really have much speed. They were pretty much league average, with 2/3 of their SB by 2 players.

The loss of Wakefield is marginal. He wasn't likely to start in the playoffs anyway as knuckleballers have fared poorly in Denver's altitude. The switch to Lester should be pretty seamless.

Team speed is not limited to stolen bases but includes taking two bases on a single,scoring from third on a medium fly ball, avoiding double plays, making plays in the outfield amongst other attributes.Influencing positioning, infield gaps,depth at which the outfielders play,pitch selection.Red Sox at times play station-to-station baseball since some of their players are slow.

Wakefield - doubt that 17 wins is marginal and he has had success at Fenway. Knuckleballers give a rotation more flexibility since they do not need as much rest between starts plus Wakefield can start or be the long man out of the pen. Lester does not provide this flexibility.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Team speed is not limited to stolen bases but includes taking two bases on a single...

True, but since you questioned how the pitching staff and Varitek would handle them, it's quite clear that you were referring to stolen bases.

Red Sox at times play station-to-station baseball since some of their players are slow.

Historically, this is true of Boston teams, but not now. They actually have a fair amount of team speed. As many stolen bases as Colorado and as many base stealers. Manny has average speed (when he cares to use it) as does Lowell. Only Varitek and Ortiz are truly slow.

Wakefield - doubt that 17 wins is marginal and he has had success at Fenway. Knuckleballers give a rotation more flexibility since they do not need as much rest between starts plus Wakefield can start or be the long man out of the pen. Lester does not provide this flexibility.

Wakefield was the beneficiary of tremendous run support. His ERA was 30 points higher than league average. Wakefield has also debunked the notion that a knuckleballer needs less rest than other pitchers. While the arm doesn't throw as hard, claims Wakefield, his legs take as much of a beating as does any other pitcher. As for Wakefield's success at Fenway, his last good outing there was August 13; this is a moot point as there was no way he'd have started in Fenway anyway as that would have forced Schilling to tote a bat in Colorado.

As for Wakefield being more flexible and being able to start out of the pen, that's a moot point as either he or Lester were pegged for the #4 starter's job.

 

[eastender]

Rumples -Please Read

Hench overlooks a number of central issues. Rockies have a bit of team speed and steal bases.Will they use it? It is possible to run on the Red Sox. How will the Red Sox pitching staff adapt to this situation? How will Varitek perform?

Please read what I posted - the pertinent quote is above. Notice the "and".

Two elements.The team speed which involves challenging the Boston outfielders, a bit of hit and run etc plus stealing bases. Followed by the question will they use it? Question of Rockies strategy.

The second element is that of Red Sox strategy in response to.

The slow baserunners slow down the fast baserunners when they are ahead of them.

 

[Joe.t]

Rule number one about betting which is something that I am guilty of is "never bet with your heart" and the fact that history is on my side regarding the Red Sox means that Colorado will take it, thanks rumples(A.K.A sucker)for overlooking the facts you delusional nimrod.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Hench.............................................

Kevin Hench has tabbed five Red Sox as potential goats in the World Series.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7364402?MSNHPHMA

Im voting for the whole team to choke, Rockies in 6 maybe even 5.

Judging from his column, Hench sees blunders and players/coaches shortcomings as the only defining moments of a game whereas these are often offset by managers and coaches competence.

Moreover, some problems can be corrected. Other problems are just imaginative.

Matsuzaka pitching 8 inches off the plate on 0-and-2 counts is not so much the problem than the speed he's pitching the ball at. Too fast. Give at least the batter enough time to get tempted. An attentive pitching coach can certainly help his pitcher to correct the problem.

Another example is nervous emails from Red Sox fans over Gagne's presence on the mound with a 12-2 lead in Game 6 of the ALCS will not stop Francona from resting his better bullpen elements.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Matsuzaka pitching 8 inches off the plate on 0-and-2 counts is not so much the problem than the speed he's pitching the ball at. Too fast. Give at least the batter enough time to get tempted. An attentive pitching coach can certainly help his pitcher to correct the problem.

Who died and make you the expert? You see me waxing eloquent in the boxing thread?

The problem with Masuzaka has less to to with him throwing 8 inches off the plate than with him throwing too many balls over the middle of the plate.

BTW, while I don't normally make predictions, I'm going to go out on a limb here. Sox in 3.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Rule number one about betting which is something that I am guilty of is "never bet with your heart"

You do have an excuse, Joe. A person who has no brains is excused for betting with his heart.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Two elements.The team speed which involves challenging the Boston outfielders, a bit of hit and run etc plus stealing bases. Followed by the question will they use it? Question of Rockies strategy.

What evidence is there that the Rockies have more team speed?

Rockies stole 100 bases; Sox stole 96. Rockies hit 313 doubles; Sox 352. Rockies hit 36 triples; Sox 35. As a matter of fact, across the board, the two teams offensive numbers are astonishingly comparable. The only significant difference is in the doubles column.

There is nothing to suggest that the Rockies have more team speed. The only thing to suggest the reverse is that, considering the size of their outfield, they should have hit more doubles and triples than the Sox and they did not.

 

[korbel]

Rule number one about betting which is something that I am guilty of is "never bet with your heart" and the fact that history is on my side regarding the Red Sox means that Colorado will take it, thanks rumples(A.K.A sucker)for overlooking the facts you delusional nimrod.

Hello Joe.t,

Do you really think about things before you write them, or do you just lack information. No doubt, your tremendous bias blinds you. In the scope of the World Series, of which there have been 103, the Yankers have won 26 and the Red Sox have won 6. That means the Yankers have won 1-4 and the Red Sox have won 1-17. Yes, the odds for the Billionaire Boys are much better but still low overall. No one team really has good odds for winning it all, they may only compare better. In World Series appearances the Yankers are 26-13 (67%) success, the Red Sox are 6-4 (60%). Not much difference in the percentage. So get that stupid 86 years shit out of your little head. When the Red Sox get to the World Series they usually win historically. If you want to talk about history then use all of it, not just what you choose to use.

And, how many World Series has Colorado won, and how the hell does a team figure to have better odds historically when they have not won once? THey have only a Wild Card appearance since their start in 1993. OH, you say they have not had time like the Yankers or the Red Sox to succeed? Well, the Diamondbacks did it in just three years. The Marlins did it twice, the first in just four years after being born the same year as the Rockies. You do remember Josh Beckett being the MVP against the Yankers in 2003...DON'T YOU...lol. Obviously your bias allows you to say what you will regardless of the truth.

Give us a break,

Korbel

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Do you really think about things before you write them

Rhetorical question, no?

Did you mean 4?

No, 3. I don't see how they can do it in 2.

By the way, Joe, our bet only covers events in the open air in the real world. Anything you might happen to observe with your head up your ass doesn't count.

 

[korbel]

By the way, Joe, our bet only covers events in the open air in the real world. Anything you might happen to observe with your head up your ass doesn't count.

Hello Rumples,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ROFLMAO!!!!!

Hey, he might even be able to find a past Rockies World Series victory up there.

Love it,

Korbel

 

[eastender]

Designated Hitter

What evidence is there that the Rockies have more team speed?

Rockies stole 100 bases; Sox stole 96. Rockies hit 313 doubles; Sox 352. Rockies hit 36 triples; Sox 35. As a matter of fact, across the board, the two teams offensive numbers are astonishingly comparable. The only significant difference is in the doubles column.

There is nothing to suggest that the Rockies have more team speed. The only thing to suggest the reverse is that, considering the size of their outfield, they should have hit more doubles and triples than the Sox and they did not.

Considering that the Red Sox play in the A.L. with a designated hitter.
The Rockies play in the NL WITHOUT a designated hitter. 1 out of 9 ABs in the NL is a weak hitting pitcher. or 11.1% of the time.Conveniently omitted by you.Likewise the stats listed below. If you listed the doubles,triples and stolen bases you could have listed the rest.Very selective.

Also Rockies 171 HRs, 860 runs. Red Sox 166 HRs, 867 runs. Once you factor out the offensive advantage that the DH provides the run production comes down to team speed.Specifically:

Red Sox DH David Ortiz: 149 Games,52 Doubles,0 Triples,35 Home Runs,116 Runs(giving away 13 games when there was another DH).

Rockies Pitchers: 162 games, 6 Doubles,0 Triples, 0 Home Runs, 17 Runs.

If the Red Sox have to play without a DH and have the pitcher hit they are significantly disadvantaged.


If you look at total outfield put-outs:
Red Sox: LF = 284, CF = 481, RF = 287. Total = 1052

Rockies: LF = 317, CF = 414, RF = 295. Total = 1026

Since the DH generates significantly more fly balls than a pitcher, no sacrifice bunts,etc. and the fact that without a DH the corner outfielder on the Rockies generated more fly ball put-outs would be an indication of team speed, whereas on the Red Sox the CF has to cover ground for the LF and RF.
Lack of speed.

Seeing that I have documented my claim perhaps you will finally document your claim about the Yankees draft record.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Who died and make you the expert? You see me waxing eloquent in the boxing thread?

The problem with Masuzaka has less to to with him throwing 8 inches off the plate than with him throwing too many balls over the middle of the plate.

Revisit the article that triggered this discussion. Hench's description of Matsuzaka's behavior after getting ahead in the count reflects accurately his latest 9 outings. Hench fails to mention that pitching around the plate on 0-and-2 counts is nothing out of the ordinary.

Judging from the number of times batters swing on outside pitches on 0-and-2 counts makes this strategy attractive. An umpire with a wide strike zone provides further incentive.

No need to be a baseball expert to understand the concept of the lowest offer, which applies here. When your opponent expected gains tumble or being put at greater risk, your best approach is to make the lowest reasonable offer and see if he will bite.

Throwing outside on 0-and-2 counts is an example of the above. Only thing is, to get back to baseball, you can't just throw outside at 94 mph and think the batter will bite.

Conversely, taking some speed off the ball will make the offer more tempting.

 

[korbel]

W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

BECKETT:
20 7 30 30 1 0 0 0 200.7 189 76 73 17 40 194 5 3 822 0 0 3.27 4.74 145 1.141 AS

C C SABATHIA:
19 7 34 34 4 1 0 0 241.0 238 94 86 20 37 209 8 1 975 1 0 3.21 4.61 143 1.141 AS

Hello all,

C C Sabathia was chosen as the Sporting News Pitcher of the Year for 2007 on Oct 21. Okay, so Beckett beats Sabathia head to head twice in the playoffs right before this choice and the rest of the stats are almost equal per innings pitched. Now can someone explain why Beckett didn't win...even if the playoffs aren't counted?

hmmmm,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

What a start.

Hello all,

1st inning: Beckett three straight strike outs, Pedroia a lead off home run.

Holy Crap!

Korbel

 

[eastender]

Season

W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

BECKETT:
20 7 30 30 1 0 0 0 200.7 189 76 73 17 40 194 5 3 822 0 0 3.27 4.74 145 1.141 AS

C C SABATHIA:
19 7 34 34 4 1 0 0 241.0 238 94 86 20 37 209 8 1 975 1 0 3.21 4.61 143 1.141 AS

Hello all,

C C Sabathia was chosen as the Sporting News Pitcher of the Year for 2007 on Oct 21. Okay, so Beckett beats Sabathia head to head twice in the playoffs right before this choice and the rest of the stats are almost equal per innings pitched. Now can someone explain why Beckett didn't win...even if the playoffs aren't counted?

hmmmm,

Korbel

The award is for the SEASON, not the play-offs. Believe that Sabathia beat Santana of the Twins head to head three times. Also he pitched app 20 % more innings 241.0 to 200.7, 4 more starts, with a better ERA than Beckett which basically means that the Indians had 4 1/2 games of extra quality pitching from Sabathia than the Red Sox did from Beckett. Beckett had 3 no decisions compared to 8 for Sabathia, a stat that tends to point to less run support per game. Interestingly in the stats package you presented supporting Beckett you neglected or omitted the number of quality starts each had or the run support per game that each had. Willing to guess that Beckett had more runs to work with but Sabathia had more quality starts.

 

[eastender]

Research Korbel Research

Hello Joe.t,

Do you really think about things before you write them, or do you just lack information. No doubt, your tremendous bias blinds you. In the scope of the World Series, of which there have been 103, the Yankers have won 26 and the Red Sox have won 6. That means the Yankers have won 1-4 and the Red Sox have won 1-17. Yes, the odds for the Billionaire Boys are much better but still low overall. No one team really has good odds for winning it all, they may only compare better. In World Series appearances the Yankers are 26-6 (81%) success, the Red Sox are 6-4 (60%). So get that stupid 86 years shit out of your little head. When the Red Sox get to the World Series they usually win historically. If you want to talk about history then use all of it, not just what you choose to use.


Give us a break,

Korbel

Give the readers a break Korbel and do some actual research.

The first World Series was played in 1903 - the last was played in 2006, excluding the 2007 which just got underway. Between 2006 - 1903 there was a possibility of 103 + 1 = 104 possible World Series subtract two years when no World Series was played (1904 & 1994) and you have a total of 102 World Series that HAVE BEEN played not 103.

You are correct that the Red Sox are (6 -4) BUT you are wrong about the Yankees they are not (26 - 6) as you assert BUT (26 - 13) having lost in 1921NYG,1922NYG,1926STL,1942STL,1955BRK,1957MIL,1960PITT,1963LAD,1964STL,1976CIN,1981LAD,2001ARZ,2003FLA. This lack of attention to detail throws your numbers out the window and into the dust bin.

Interestingly the Yankees have lost more World Series than the Red Sox have played yet they show a .667 record. Considering that playing just over .500 labels a team as a contender a .667 World Series performance is somewhat remarkable. Furthermore the Yankees have made the World Series 39 out of 102 times(app 38%). No NFL, NBA or NHL team has ever been so dominant in a league.

Trust I managed to use all of history to make this point.

Toodles

 

[korbel]

Trust I managed to use all of history to make this point.

Toodles

Hello EE,

You did a terrific job. Thanks for the correction. If the world couldn't rely on your dedicated anal attention to detail and twisting analysis we would all be just so lost.

As for the stats I provided for Beckett and Sabathia, they were cut and pasted without changes except that I left off the year, the age, the team and the league...and I used bold and red in some areas.

SO...how about those Sox tonight Mr. Analysis...lol.

Hugs and Kisses sweety,

Korbel