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On ne peut savoir ce qu'il serait devenu sans cette collision, il est le joueur qu'il est aujourd'hui avec cet événement étampé dans la tête (mauvaise blague...).

L'argument du C l'ayant changé est très plausible, il était +54 avant et malgré deux saisons de plus de 30 buts, il est maintenant de -11.

Une chose dont je suis certain, je me suis ennuyé de Radu toute l'année passée.
 

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On ne peut savoir ce qu'il serait devenu sans cette collision, il est le joueur qu'il est aujourd'hui avec cet événement étampé dans la tête (mauvaise blague...).

L'argument du C l'ayant changé est très plausible, il était +54 avant et malgré deux saisons de plus de 30 buts, il est maintenant de -11.

Une chose dont je suis certain, je me suis ennuyé de Radu toute l'année passée.

Je ne sais pas où tu prends tes stats, mais les miennes sont différentes... https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pacioma01.html

Avant la collision, il était à MOINS 9 et depuis la collision il est PLUS 45...
 

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Le lien ne fonctionne pas, chais po pourkwa, mais le même lien fonctionne au post #881.

C'est un article qui parle d'un livre sur les meilleures équipes de l'Histoire, tous sports confondus et leurs capitaines, tout cela pour parler de Max et du choix du capitaine dans une équipe victorieuse.
 

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Le lien ne fonctionne pas, chais po pourkwa, mais le même lien fonctionne au post #881.

C'est un article qui parle d'un livre sur les meilleures équipes de l'Histoire, tous sports confondus et leurs capitaines, tout cela pour parler de Max et du choix du capitaine dans une équipe victorieuse.

Ta source est dans le champ... J'ai beau faire les calculs à l'endroit ou à l'envers, Pacioretty n'a jamais atteint le sommet de PLUS 54 mentionné dans l'article auquel tu fais référence... Va voir sur ses stats personnelles et fais le calcul toi-même: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pacioma01.html
 

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Max Pacioretty is, and has been, actively shopped in the past 7-10 days. There are reports across the internet that deals with the Sharks and later the Kings fell apart, I am guessing because Bergevin was demanding more value in return than what the Habs are entitled to. If Pacioretty is finally traded, will the vacant captaincy go to Plekanec?
 

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Max Pacioretty is, and has been, actively shopped in the past 7-10 days. There are reports across the internet that deals with the Sharks and later the Kings fell apart, I am guessing because Bergevin was demanding more value in return than what the Habs are entitled to. If Pacioretty is finally traded, will the vacant captaincy go to Plekanec?

Word is that a three-way trade involving the habs, Kings and Sabres fell through after Pacioretty turned down the KIngs' offer of extending his contract to $6 million/6 years. The player Montreal would have received was rumoured to be Ryan O'Reilly. Pacioretty immediately fired his agent Pat Brisson after the trade fell through and hired Allan Walsh to represent him. The fact Pat Brisson and Marc Bergevin are good friends may also have had something to do with the decision.
 

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Lately there has been a trend throughout professional sports of players firing their agents when they do not get the contractual offers they were expecting. Sports agency is a tough business. I do understand the player point of view but at some point a player has to understand what the market value is for his services. In the case of Max P I do understand the argument that the lack of a competent center resulted in diminished scoring opportunities. Sometimes circumstances do cause a player to be devalued, I think this was the case with Karlsson when he was in Columbus before going to Vegas and having his offensive stats triple. The system was not a good one for him with CBJ. Max P needs to worry about a right system for his game, first, and then worry about getting a contract extension later.
 

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Max Pacioretty is, and has been, actively shopped in the past 7-10 days. There are reports across the internet that deals with the Sharks and later the Kings fell apart, I am guessing because Bergevin was demanding more value in return than what the Habs are entitled to. If Pacioretty is finally traded, will the vacant captaincy go to Plekanec?

I'd put the C on Gallagher... or Weber.

Plekanec is only a utility player now.
 

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Ta source est dans le champ... J'ai beau faire les calculs à l'endroit ou à l'envers, Pacioretty n'a jamais atteint le sommet de PLUS 54 mentionné dans l'article auquel tu fais référence... Va voir sur ses stats personnelles et fais le calcul toi-même: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pacioma01.html

il est capitaine depuis 2015, donc -10, 15 -16=-11
Là c'est conforme à l'article.

avant 2015:38,8,8,2,-1,-5-3=47

Donc oui les calculs du journaliste de Radio Canada ne sont pas bons...

Mais le propos reste le même; Pacioretty a fait mieux lorsqu'il n'était pas capitaine, surtout la saison précédente (+38).
 

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Word is that a three-way trade involving the habs, Kings and Sabres fell through after Pacioretty turned down the KIngs' offer of extending his contract to $6 million/6 years. The player Montreal would have received was rumoured to be Ryan O'Reilly. Pacioretty immediately fired his agent Pat Brisson after the trade fell through and hired Allan Walsh to represent him. The fact Pat Brisson and Marc Bergevin are good friends may also have had something to do with the decision.

Pat Brisson is a very good agent, he is John Tavares' agent among his last of clients he also has Crosby, maybe Paches did not feel he was getting his full undivided attention, but from what I heard the split was a mutual decision.
 

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Brisson being fired immediately after a trade fell through due to a failed negotiation to extend a contract suggests to me that the agent was viewed as failing in the objective given to him by the client. Sports agents, much like attorneys, do the bidding of their clients, and when the bidding fails to produce results you are accountable to the client. Sometimes the bidding strategy is destined for failure, but the player isn’t obligated to see it that way.
 

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Paches also fired his previous agent after the last contract he signed with the Canadiens, it's his right to do that as many times as he wants, he is the client after all...
I'm just saying... hope Allan Walsh makes him a happy multi-millionaire...
 

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If an agent is fired immediately after the player signs a contract it could be for many reasons but the two most obvious would be, (1) the player learns of an unfavorable contract term that wasn’t fully communicated or explained by the agent or was perhaps overlooked by the agent, and (2) the player felt he was forced to accept an unfavorable contract because of the failure of the agent to work out other, better deals as expected by the player.

There are many pro athletes who stick with one agent for many years and multiple deals. However other players have a very high attrition of agents. Agents have to be good at communicating with the client and controlling client expectations.
 

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Karlsson aurait refusé une offre des Sens 10 millions-8 ans pour 80 millions.....veut le même traitement que Doughty soit 11 millions-8 ans........semble que Dallas soit très intéressé.......à suivre........c'est le budget dont dispose Perdgevin.....lol.
 

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Ottawa Sun reported Tuesday....Karlsson has drawn interest from Dallas, Rangers, TBay, San Jose, Vegas and Washington. Personnellement i would like him to b trated to San Jose....quelle belle énergie il amènerait à cette équipe....pourrait devenir enfin de sérieux aspirants à la Coupe. Je dirais aussi que Vegas

serait une destination attirante pour lui.....à suivre.
 

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San José? Ils ont déjà Brent Burns avec le même genre de production et en plus il est nasty, ce que Karlsson est loin d'être.

Burns et Karlsson font une tonne de points. Mais défensivement, c'est pas fort...

Je n'arrive pas à croire que certains vont mettre Karlsson et Doughty dans la même phrase...
 

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Que tu l'accepte ou non...anyway Karlsson va se retrouver avec le même type de contrat que Doughty....et btw PERSONNELLEMENT j'aime de loin mieux voir une équipe gagner 7-5 que 1-0..lol.
 
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