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Doc Holliday

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The Habs get a "Leaf point" last night. :eek:

Man, did they ever blow that game last night!!! :eek:

p.s. Isn't that stupid chant (the 'oye' chant) getting on your nerves after a while? I mean, okay if the game is almost over & the Habs are leading. But with 15 minutes left to play & the Habs hanging on to a 1-goal lead? Stupid!!! :mad:
 

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Man, did they ever blow that game last night!!! :eek:

p.s. Isn't that stupid chant (the 'oye' chant) getting on your nerves after a while? I mean, okay if the game is almost over & the Habs are leading. But with 15 minutes left to play & the Habs hanging on to a 1-goal lead? Stupid!!! :mad:

That chant always gets on my nerves, doesn't matter what the score is or what teams are playing.

I think the turning point was when Price went in the corner to try to clear the puck and barely made it back to his net. This led to a faceoff in their own end which led to the penalty which led to the goal. He has to learn to stay in his net when the game is on the line and let his d-men do their job. A real shame after he played a good game. No matter how good a game he plays, somehow he always makes a boneheaded move like that or lets in a soft goal, sometimes both. I'm sure he will smarten up in time, but it's really frustrating to see.
 

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btw, the leafs are only 6 points behind the mighty scabs and the scabs have played one more game......

3 weeks ago...

"btw, the leafs are only 5 points behind the scabs and the scabs have played two more games..."

And that's despite the rash of injuries the Habs have sustained during that period.

So congrats on your backwards progress. :D
 

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I agree with everything you just wrote. The Leafs have looked very good over the past 10 games, at least. They've had unbelievable bad luck, but they're finally starting to get some breaks. Kessel & Ponikarovski played great tonight. Highlight-reel goal by Kessel, as you mentionned. Beauchemin has been unbelievable for the past 5-6 games. He's a leader, an anchor on that defence. White is steady & Schenn is once again playing with confidence. I absolutely like Carl Gunnersson!! What a find by Leafs management!!

There are two negatives on the Leafs right now. Nope, not Jason Blake, who's speed i adore. The biggest negative is Mikael Grabovski. This guy doesn't bring anything to the team right now. He's not tough, he doesn't score, he doesn't kill penalties & he's not creating much when he's on the ice. He also doesn't win face-offs & rarely plays on the powerplay. It almost seems like he's trying out for next season's Battle of the Blades!

The other negative is Garnet Exelby. This guy is a terrible defenceman! They traded away Pavel Kubina to get this bum? Unbelievable!!! I can't wait for Komisarek & Finger (is this guy made of glass or what?) to come back so that they can ship him to the press box!

I like Hanson. He's added some spark to the lineup. Can't wait to see him play one day with the likes of Kadri, Bozak & Stalberg.

Did you see the play where Beauchemin got called for tripping when in fact the player was tripped by the linesman?? Kudos to Beauchemin for keeping his cool on a penalty that should have been given to linesman Pierre Champoux instead!

I'm once again proud of my Leafs! :D

The biggest problem with the Leafs is the SYSTEM, or apparent lack of, since I can't figure out how the heck they're trying to play other than trying to outscore the opposition which simply isn't going to work consistently with mediocre talent. You can call Martin boring and/or a defensive coach all you want but it's pretty obvious that he's a much better coach than Wilson.
 

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you must be kidding......you have said some really silly things in the past, but this is down right Hilarious :D...... give it time for Martin.... Wilson has these guys in 95% of the games they play, battling til the bitter end,,, they dont quit, thats the sign of a good coach.... as bad as the leafs started the season , they could of put there heads down and quit, but they dont, thats Wilson's effect on his team, and even as Doc was saying earlier that wilson had to go, i never agreed with that and still dont, and wont he is a very very good coach and has these guys playing hard... Martin? whats he ever done???... and what is he doing now???? not much



You can call Martin boring and/or a defensive coach all you want but it's pretty obvious that he's a much better coach than Wilson.
 

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"Playing hard", "truculence" and "belligerence" by no mean's constitute a SYSTEM. And in case you haven't noticed, hockey is a team sport. Both the Leafs and the Habs "play hard", it doesn't take a genius to realize that. However, it should also be obvious that Martin has implemented a system, that the guys are buying into it (simple, if they don't, they get benched...), and that despite the rash of injuries, the substitute players are made to "fit" into the system and the team remains competitive. The Leafs "play hard", but I don't see any SYSTEM to speak of. They suck on defense, they look like they are just trying to outscore the opposition which, again, with mediocre talent, simply isn't going to work consistently.

Igna69xxx said:
"It's hilarious... bla bla bla... Martin? whats he ever done???... and what is he doing now???? not much"

Wow, that's some fascinating analysis you've got there! Why am I not surprised that this stuff goes totally above your head...
 
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and that amazing system you speak so highly of has your team a mere 6 points ahead of the Leafs..... but hey, Martin HAS a "System" :rolleyes:





 

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Grabovski, Beauchemin scrap at practice

For the second time in less than a year, Mikhail Grabovski got into a scrap with Maple Leafs teammate during practice. Must be frustrating being in 29th place ...


If i go with your logic, Josh Gorges & Mike Cammalleri must have been fighting the other day at practice because they finally realized what a crappy team they're playing on? :rolleyes:
 

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and that amazing system you speak so highly of has your team a mere 6 points ahead of the Leafs..... but hey, Martin HAS a "System" :rolleyes:

The only 'system' the Habs have is playing boring hockey night after night where the other team regularly has 40+ shots on net where poor Carey Price is often left fending for himself & having to save the fort. Nashville nearly had 3 times more shots (they had over 50 shots!) than they did three weeks ago & it looked like a junior team playing against a pee wee team. :rolleyes:

Yep, that's the Martin system alright! :D
 

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They suck on defense, they look like they are just trying to outscore the opposition which, again, with mediocre talent, simply isn't going to work consistently..

The Habs don't suck on defence also??

Do you actually believe that the Habs don't have a mediocre team? What kind of Kool-Aid have you been drinking, bud? :confused:

If the Habs had a losing record in overtime & if Carey Price didn't stand on his head for most of their wins this season, they'd be at the bottom of the standings right behind Carolina! :rolleyes:
 

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The Habs don't suck on defence also??

Considering the personel/injuries, they are actually pretty good. I believe they are 8th or 9th in goals against.

Do you actually believe that the Habs don't have a mediocre team? What kind of Kool-Aid have you been drinking, bud? :confused:

Where did I say that the Habs were a good team and how is this relevant to this discussion?

If the Habs had a losing record in overtime & if Carey Price didn't stand on his head for most of their wins this season, they'd be at the bottom of the standings right behind Carolina! :rolleyes:

If... if... if... if.... Again irrelevant. You're simply avoiding the issue.

The only 'system' the Habs have is playing boring hockey night after night...

And here we come to the meat of the issue. What you call boring hockey is a SYSTEM. Teaching players to be defensively responsible, how to play without the puck, how to help your D-men in your own zone, is part of hockey. Plus you have to implement a system according to the cards you are dealt. You'd rather have exciting hockey and your team lose? On a team with no depth, a bunch of new players and little offensive talent? Ok then...
 
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What you call boring hockey is a SYSTEM. Teaching players to be defensively responsible, how to play without the puck, how to help your D-men in your own zone, is part of hockey. Plus you have to implement a system according to the cards you are dealt. You'd rather have exciting hockey and your team lose? On a team with no depth, a bunch of new players and little offensive talent? Ok then...

The Habs ONLY defence is their goaltending. The defencemen all suck! When you get outshot nearly every night & often by a large margin, when your goalie (e.g. Carey Price) has to stand on his head in nearly every game in order to give his team a chance to win....that's very poor defence. Martin's 'system' is a bad one. Not only is it not effective, it's boring to watch!

NHL teams are in the entertainment business. They're there to entertain & fans who attend games pay big $$ to be entertained. You asked a good question. Would i rather have exciting hockey where my favorite team loses, or boring hockey where my team wins? You know what? I think i'd chose the option where i'd rather be entertained. If i'm playing close to $200 a ticket to attend a game, i at least expect to be entertained & not put to sleep. Give me entertaining, exciting hockey anytime!! I'm not just a Leafs fan, but i'm a hockey fan. Yeah, even if my team loses in order to be exciting to watch, i'd rather have it that way than watch a boring team likes the Habs put everyone to sleep, even if they win (and they don't even win!).
 

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You keep repeating the same stuff like a mantra because a) you have absolutely no notion of what collective play or a SYSTEM is about and/or b) you're so biased when it comes to the Habs that you can't possibly offer an objective evaluation. Everything with you is either black or white...

So nevermind, this is useless...

P.S. Even Bruce Boudreau (btw the Caps were held to 22 shots) praised Martin's system after the last game. And it was actually an entertaining game. Not to mention that shots on goal are an overrated stat. What you need to look at are scoring chances.
 

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You know what they say, JB...winning isn't everything. That expression must have been coined by a Leafs fan.Year after year it's the same thing...the Leafs are unlucky, the refs are against them, they just can't get any breaks, and so on and so on...you think of an excuse and a Leafs fan has used it. And because their team sucks, they pick on the habs. But no matter how bad the habs are sometimes, they never sink to the depths of despair where the Leafs and their fans live.

It's got to be really hard to be a Leafs fan so let them live with their delusions that if only the world was upside down, they would have a chance of finishing first!
 
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