They are idiots to mention the abolition of ICE. They already have the votes of those who are against harsh treatment of immigrants and refugees. They will lose the working class white vote again on this single issue.
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Our relationship with Russia has been bizarre and comical probably since Bush Jr and through the Obama years. It's probably going to be that way for a long time. As long as China is the biggest geopolitical threat, U.S. Presidents will likely fawn over Putin. We have been overlooking Russian trangressions for over ten, fifteen years. The Press could give a shit until the whole DNC email affair.
What concerns me the most about Trump spending 2 hours alone with Putin is Trumps big unfiltered bragging mouth. He has set a precedent before of giving the Russians classified and highly sensitive material. Putin is a master interrogator and Trump likes to brag.....under those conditions how much highly classified stuff did he spill to Putin. Unfortunately we`ll probably never know.....except by witnessing the damage caused.
Those are Democrats for you. Your opponents falsely accuse of wanting open borders. You hand your opponents a tidy talking point about abolishing ICE. To be fair the Border Patrol is the one tasked with border apprehensions and beyond the headlines, Democrats that are advocating the abolition of ICE were making a nuanced point. But nuance doesn't win elections. It was a thoroughly stupid thing to gain traction among any Democrats, even moreso from potential frontrunners like Elizabeth Warren.
As for Trump, he's gonna be Trump. 10 out of 10 morons were shocked by his Helsinki performance. At this point, he's going to be re-elected. The climate of party over country juiced by Newt Gingrich has hit its apex. Even the Republicans vocal with their criticism will just go back to business as usual by Wednesday max.
haha cloud trump fucked americans on taxes by much more then 20 millions but that will only be revealed when its way too late as trump hides his tax return. even tho i consider trump to be the exact replica of the american idiot (green day reference here..) i still think like you the alternative on the republicans side are even scarier then trump... like pense... or worse ted cruz..
July 16th, 2018 may one day be known as the most shameful display of an American President. Even by Trumpian standards yesterday's shameful display by an American President was shocking. Donald John Trump showed his allegiance to Russia in front of the world!!! It was a surreal moment!!! So surreal that you even had his regular defenders such as Newt Gingrich & some Fox News hosts blasting him!!!!
Yesterday's absolutely shameful display by the current so-called "American President" may is what will turn the tide & cause Republican lawmakers to look in the mirror and once & for all do something to save the fate of their precious democracy. Slowly Trump has been doing Putin's bidding in trying to destroy many of the West's precious insititutions. His display at the NATO meetings and then in the UK were an embarassment for the majority of Americans. But yesterday's so-called 'performance' when he openly displayed his allegiance to Russia took the cake.
I can now only conclude that DONALD JOHN TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT.
Yesterday's absolutely shameful display by the current so-called "American President" may is what will turn the tide & cause Republican lawmakers to look in the mirror and once & for all do something to save the fate of their precious democracy. Slowly Trump has been doing Putin's bidding in trying to destroy many of the West's precious insititutions. His display at the NATO meetings and then in the UK were an embarassment for the majority of Americans. But yesterday's so-called 'performance' when he openly displayed his allegiance to Russia took the cake.
I can now only conclude that DONALD JOHN TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT.
Party politics is a tough game. Both parties try to paint each other in the color of their fringes. Democrats harp on the political point that Republicans want to universally ban abortion. Most Republicans don't really want to see such a state by state mess unfold.
Party politics is also a skill. You have to be able to sell yourself to the unreasonable fringes in your primaries and then tack back to the center in the general. Look at Gavin Newsom running for Governor in California. "Did I say California should enact single-payer healthcare? A State can't possibly enact single-payer."
I disagree with you. Advocating banning ICE is not a nuanced point. It's trying to gin up the Far Left. We've had a cat and mouse immigration policy for over thirty years. No one wants to codify it. The Democratic nominee in 2020 will likely have to pour cold water on any such rhetoric in order to have a chance to win.
Their actual point was ICE should be abolished because it's overstepped its authority and abolishing it does not preclude illegal immigration stops. That newly (lovely) elected NY Democratic Socialist woman also said as much. That's far more nuanced than "ABOLISH ICE." However, if you have a policy proposal that you have to explain when the thrust of your argument is pithy, you have already lost. You should just agree with me when we're both saying it was a dumb suggestion.
Even if it's an attempt to motivate the extreme Left of its base, it will thoroughly backfire. Asking to abolish ICE when you are already accused of wanting open borders only supports the idea that perhaps the Democrats do want open borders.
There's no cat and mouse policy. I don't know what concessions Democrats are failing to make on immigration but the intransigent party on immigration has been the Republicans. Even George W Bush's immigration was too soft for fellow Republicans. Republicans have only become more hardline on immigration since then, especially in the House.
Also, don't bring up abortion as an issue where the opposing party distorts the views of the other. There is an ample body of evidence of a single party, Republicans, finding novel ways to abrogate abortion. It wasn't Democrats that passed laws in Texas placing additional burdens that wiped out many clinics, with the damage already done after it was overturned by the Supreme Court. It wasn't Democrats that passed new laws limiting abortion in Iowa, North Dakota, Georgia, Missouri and Arkansas that limit abortion to 20 weeks or so (Iowa one is 6 weeks). Every state I mentioned has passed those bills within the last 5 years. Iowa's bill was signed into law in May.
One of the many reasons Trump got the evangelicals is because he promised to appoint judges that would overturn Roe v. Wade. So the notion that Republicans want to ban abortion isn't an aspersion but rooted in legislature in many red states.
Even if it's an attempt to motivate the extreme Left of its base, it will thoroughly backfire. Asking to abolish ICE when you are already accused of wanting open borders only supports the idea that perhaps the Democrats do want open borders.
There's no cat and mouse policy. I don't know what concessions Democrats are failing to make on immigration but the intransigent party on immigration has been the Republicans. Even George W Bush's immigration was too soft for fellow Republicans. Republicans have only become more hardline on immigration since then, especially in the House.
Also, don't bring up abortion as an issue where the opposing party distorts the views of the other. There is an ample body of evidence of a single party, Republicans, finding novel ways to abrogate abortion. It wasn't Democrats that passed laws in Texas placing additional burdens that wiped out many clinics, with the damage already done after it was overturned by the Supreme Court. It wasn't Democrats that passed new laws limiting abortion in Iowa, North Dakota, Georgia, Missouri and Arkansas that limit abortion to 20 weeks or so (Iowa one is 6 weeks). Every state I mentioned has passed those bills within the last 5 years. Iowa's bill was signed into law in May.
One of the many reasons Trump got the evangelicals is because he promised to appoint judges that would overturn Roe v. Wade. So the notion that Republicans want to ban abortion isn't an aspersion but rooted in legislature in many red states.
From what I understand of the proposals, which mostly are talk at this point, is that some Dems don't want immigration enforcement a certain distance from the borders. I think Feinstein of California proposed some half-baked legislation about 100 miles within the border and ports of entry. I don't know more details because I read it was slapped together and unworkable. This is what I am referencing as the cat and mouse game. The idea that if you get past border patrol and to a sanctuary jurisdiction you will be left alone in the U.S. Eliminating ICE would be a victory for the sanctuary states and cities. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand a potential 2020 presidential contender—hopped on the bandwagon shortly “I believe that ICE has become a deportation force … and that’s why I believe you should get rid of it, start over, reimagine it, and build something that actually works.”
Perhaps abolishing ICE is nuanced. I don't think so. Of course, ICE is a deportation force. I think it's rhetoric that's gotten out of control for Dems. The only thing that doesn't exist is a clearly, written piece of legislation.
Perhaps abolishing ICE is nuanced. I don't think so. Of course, ICE is a deportation force. I think it's rhetoric that's gotten out of control for Dems. The only thing that doesn't exist is a clearly, written piece of legislation.
Roberts and Kavanaugh are acutely aware of the judicial precedent. The Court is not going to turn back forty-five years of legal precedent and kick it back to the States. It's pure fantasy for the evangelicals. The Supreme Court doesn't want a checkered U.S. map with some States banning abortions and female residents being forced to get in a car or on a plane to go to another State (or Canada). Having said that, the Dems should campaign against Republicans on such stupid rhetoric.
I knew someone would bring up all the legal specifics of abortion if I mentioned it. Yes, I agree it's wrong of Republican-controlled States to restrict access. This nonsense only affects the poor. (Those pretty, young blondes at your Texas country club don't need abortions...cough, cough.) I am more sympathetic to banning late term abortions. Canada and parts of the U.S. are in a small club that allows abortion up until birth. The UK allows abortion in the first 24 weeks.
Again, it's totally fair for Dems to campaign on abortion rights just as it is for Republicans to campaign on defending ICE, against sanctuary cities, etc.
We can debate the pros and cons of immigration but at least we can agree that asking to abolish ICE is stupid either as a slogan or an actual policy proposal. For every far Left person motivated to vote for it, there will be 10 moderate to deeply conservative voters energized to vote against Democrats. Immigration is a more potent issue for conservatives. Not saying Democrats don't care about immigration but it's not as potent a motivator.
As for Kavanaugh you realize the Supreme Court can undo precedent, right? Yes, as a District Court Judge he has to abide by Roe. But it's an entirely different story if he's on the Supreme Court. My understanding is that even with stare decisis, if an abortion case makes it to the Supreme Court with Roe antagonists on board the outcome may be different. It'd be like an opposite outcome of a case like Planned Parenthood vs. Casey in 1992, which challenged elements of Roe. Or Gonzalez vs. Carhart where the Court upheld partial birth abortion bans. A similar case was actually voted down in 2000 but with John Roberts on the court, it passed in 2007. Point is with the right judges, it's all up for grabs. (Btw, there should be no thing as a "liberal"or "conservative" judge but perhaps that's naivete). I don't think Republicans would want the repeal of Roe either--but only as a matter of practicality, not dogma. It'd be a nightmare to have 50 different abortion laws as you said.
I don't even understand why abortion is a motivating voter issue in 2018. Even if birth control flowed freely, human beings are essentially irresponsible and unwanted pregnancies will still happen. (Years ago, I had a friend who told me his roommate got along really well with a stripper he met in Miami. They were in the VIP room and they had unprotected sex. When I was horrified, his response was to the effect of "Not everyone is as responsible as you" versus "Yeah, that was a real fucking dumb move on his part."). I mention that story to illustrate indifference that can lead to unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes, you do the right thing and she gets preggo anyway. At least, your conscience can be absolved if you get an abortion in that situation versus people who use abortion as another method of birth control.
Of course, the same people who loathe abortion (which is perfectly reasonable) loathe birth control too. In a consistent world, the Hobby Lobby case shouldn't have happened.
As for Kavanaugh you realize the Supreme Court can undo precedent, right? Yes, as a District Court Judge he has to abide by Roe. But it's an entirely different story if he's on the Supreme Court. My understanding is that even with stare decisis, if an abortion case makes it to the Supreme Court with Roe antagonists on board the outcome may be different. It'd be like an opposite outcome of a case like Planned Parenthood vs. Casey in 1992, which challenged elements of Roe. Or Gonzalez vs. Carhart where the Court upheld partial birth abortion bans. A similar case was actually voted down in 2000 but with John Roberts on the court, it passed in 2007. Point is with the right judges, it's all up for grabs. (Btw, there should be no thing as a "liberal"or "conservative" judge but perhaps that's naivete). I don't think Republicans would want the repeal of Roe either--but only as a matter of practicality, not dogma. It'd be a nightmare to have 50 different abortion laws as you said.
I don't even understand why abortion is a motivating voter issue in 2018. Even if birth control flowed freely, human beings are essentially irresponsible and unwanted pregnancies will still happen. (Years ago, I had a friend who told me his roommate got along really well with a stripper he met in Miami. They were in the VIP room and they had unprotected sex. When I was horrified, his response was to the effect of "Not everyone is as responsible as you" versus "Yeah, that was a real fucking dumb move on his part."). I mention that story to illustrate indifference that can lead to unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes, you do the right thing and she gets preggo anyway. At least, your conscience can be absolved if you get an abortion in that situation versus people who use abortion as another method of birth control.
Of course, the same people who loathe abortion (which is perfectly reasonable) loathe birth control too. In a consistent world, the Hobby Lobby case shouldn't have happened.
If the Supreme Court actually thought they could go to the other extreme and ban all U.S. abortions, think about the medical tourism boom to Canada.
I know most Dems have no interest in abolishing ICE. Perhaps a similar percentage of Republicans truly want to ban abortion. The problem is the politicians who come from hardcore Left states and hardcore Right states. Think any Governor or Senator from California and New York or on the other extreme Texas and the Deep South. They've come to prominence cheerleading these views that sell in their state, but won't sell nationally. I think they are either in a bubble in their home state or they think they can dance around it once they win their primary.
Fair or not, if you hit Trump and Republicans on his tough border policies they are going to play the abolish ICE card. Also expect to see a lot of TV ads about sanctuary cities.
I know most Dems have no interest in abolishing ICE. Perhaps a similar percentage of Republicans truly want to ban abortion. The problem is the politicians who come from hardcore Left states and hardcore Right states. Think any Governor or Senator from California and New York or on the other extreme Texas and the Deep South. They've come to prominence cheerleading these views that sell in their state, but won't sell nationally. I think they are either in a bubble in their home state or they think they can dance around it once they win their primary.
Fair or not, if you hit Trump and Republicans on his tough border policies they are going to play the abolish ICE card. Also expect to see a lot of TV ads about sanctuary cities.
“In the end ... you can’t force anyone to say what you want them to say, especially the president of the United States."-----Sen. Marco Rubio.
“The president has first and foremost his interests at the top of his mind, as opposed to the government’s. That’s very clear over the past week and a half, between shitting on our NATO allies and kissing Putin’s ass. He cares more about himself than the nation and any of us who serve it. He is either compromised by Putin or he’s a pussy, in which case he should grab himself.”-----a current Republican diplomat
Finally some question this!! Men this idiot did not release he taxes! Nobody but a few who will lose everything if they talk know who holds all his assets. Can anyone tell me why on fucking earth he would fuck his allies and kiss the ass of Russian other then because they own the majority of his businesses?
Cheers,
Americans:
You have been told many ...many.... many times
"Donald Trump is unfit to be president of USA"
You have been told many ...many.... many times
"Donald Trump is unfit to be president of USA"
So was Clinton, the population was tired of the typical politician scamming them.
Nah. First, Clinton isn't in office now so how does that help? Second, Clinton was only guilty of the regular scumbaggery that's part and parcel of most politicans, like JFK schtupping Marilyn Monroe (good taste though, c'mon) or Thomas Jefferson fathering children with a slave. By all objective measures though, all those men could tell their ass from a hole in the ground.
NY Times published on Wednesday that Trump had been specifically briefed in January 2017 that Russia was singlehandedly responsible for the subversion of the elections. It's only a constant reminder how broken our country is that this guy not only won, but there's no faux pas that will convince millions that perhaps they picked the wrong person. The tariffs are already causing job losses in Missouri. In spite of that, some people negatively affected by them in that state still think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread.
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