The Trump Crime Family

[sambuca]

SolTee,
Yes, it is a moot point. I was being nice. Jalimon is so idealistic, I don't know if I should argue with him or hug him.

Jalimon, I think there is a natural tendency for government bureaucracies to put their self-interest and preservation above all other goals. They are also easily manipulated by politics and the private interests they come into contact with.

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

 

[Carmine Falcone]

You're spot on about being officials being influenced by people they encounter or know. Both big parties have their donor classes. I won't pretend to know what big-time Democratic donors (like Soros) want or if it's "benevolent." I do know Republican donors like Koch and all the industry donors only want more money even when they have enough to spare, and if means some utilitarian notion-- like curbing global warming-- is sacrificed then so be it. But there's no need for cynicism. Even if it's self-congratulatory altruism or idealism, some people still believe in improving the world. Bill Gates doesn't have to give his money to improve conditions in Africa, Jimmy Carter doesn't have to care about eradicating Guinea Worm, LeBron can find more personally gratifying things with his $100 million than build a school. Team Care will keep caring.

Government may put itself first now in the US or in weak democracies like some in Africa, but once upon a time even when liberals and conservatives disagreed on the scope of government they both knew the primary goal of government is to solve problems. I'm not sure if either party in the US still believes that, but I know one party is way off that mark. There are far too much examples of Republican proposals or policy that only benefit the business community. For example, who wins or loses when Trump signs an executive order that permits coal companies to dump waste into waterways and streams? Who loses when the Trump Administration reintroduces cheap health insurance that actually little payable benefits?

Hand in hand with government losing its way are corporations. Businesses exist to make money first but there was also a tacit commitment to the community around them-- not anymore. I'm sure Nike, Apple or GM will be just fine if they made their products in the US instead of being lured by cheaper production costs in Vietnam, China and Mexico. Sure, they'd be slightly less profitable but they would still have a lot of money. It's not rocket science why the income gap keeps widening: the producers are keeping most of the spoils. I'd hate to describe this phenomenon as "Late Capitalism" in the Marxist sense, mostly because the revolution Marx envisioned near the end of capitalism will never happen.

 

[jalimon]

SolTee,
Yes, it is a moot point. I was being nice. Jalimon is so idealistic, I don't know if I should argue with him or hug him.

Jalimon, I think there is a natural tendency for government bureaucracies to put their self-interest and preservation above all other goals. They are also easily manipulated by politics and the private interests they come into contact with.

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

Yes correct but the alternative to democracy is unfortunately autocracy run by dictators. Do you prefer a pussy grabber dictator who do as they want or a semi controlled corrupt democrat?

Those are 2 moot questions, the government and media can not be trusted, there is no answer unless you say friends or family, those are the only people you can trust.

That's fine for a sunday afternoon in a pool backward party but I would not bet on your family to run our country

Cheers,

 

[jalimon]

You know guys I am an entrepreneur. Having start and run a few business all my life. Never had a boss in my life.

Everytime an employee come to see me complaining about something my answer is always "Ok now you throw the shit out, what is the solution?" Those who do not have a solution I tell them to keep their shit in so they can throw it out at another company or next come with solutions instead of smelly fucking shit haha

 

[EagerBeaver]

Mueller Team Talks To Kristin Davis

I am very surprised that nobody has mentioned that Mueller's team is talking to the Pimpette Kristin Davis, apparently due to her connection to Roger Stone:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/03/politics/mueller-davis-stone-russia-investigation/index.html

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

That's fine for a sunday afternoon in a pool backward party but I would not bet on your family to run our country

Cheers,

But that does not mean you can trust the government which was your question.
No government can be trusted, look what is happening worldwide, politicians screwing things up everywhere.
Trump got in because people were fed up with the politicians, is he good? No. Is he better than HRC yes..... for working middle class Americans.
People here spout doom and gloom, cheer when the stocks tumble, pretty sad if you ask me..... Kind of sucks does it not when their economy is doing well, puts a knot in your stomach.
Meanwhile we have our own fucked up POS who is killing our economy, lies throigh his teeth and most know nothing aboit it or do not even care. The fucking media pumps you full of Trump and is is gobbled up.
Our countries are not run well, our politicians work for themselves, we do not get our monies worth for the taxes we pay. We do not have a democracy.
So...... perhaps a backwood BBQ could do a better job, sure as fuck not a left wing government.

 

[sambuca]

I am very surprised that nobody has mentioned that Mueller's team is talking to the Pimpette Kristin Davis, apparently due to her connection to Roger Stone.

I'm sure this is linked to Russian collusion. :spy:

 

[EagerBeaver]

I'm sure this is linked to Russian collusion. :spy:

Did it occur to you that Roger Stone may have hooked up some Russians with Davis and her stable of ladies? It would have been rather easy for him to hook up anyone he wanted to, wouldn't it? And BTW how do you think Trump came to meet Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels? He just ran into them at a bar and said, "hey! I am Don Trump! I am rich and was on TV. Wanna fuck?"

In case you don't know, the Charlie Sheens, David Duchovnys, Michael Douglases and Eliot Spitzers of the world all used people like Davis to secure their pussy. That is how the high end operates in NYC. Porn stars like Daniels are all bookable through like persons if not through Davis herself, usually $2,000 an hour and up, sometimes with minimums of 3-5 hours. Davis, I presume, knows who some of the other bookers are and who their regulars are. I am almost 100% certain Charlie Sheen was one of her clients and he was a well known regular in that scene for a long time.

Your apparent belief that politicians have no interest in sex is not in accord with what I would expect is custom and practice............

 

[Doc Holliday]

Did it occur to you that Roger Stone may have hooked up some Russians with Davis and her stable of ladies? It would have been rather easy for him to hook up anyone he wanted to, wouldn't it? And BTW how do you think Trump came to meet Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels? He just ran into them at a bar and said, "hey! I am Don Trump! I am rich and was on TV. Wanna fuck?"

You are correct about what you're saying but Trump met Karen McDougal at the Playboy mansion and met Stormy Daniels during a celebrity golf outing in Palm Springs. But how the hell did he meet Melania Knauss? I've always been under the impression that the rumours about her once been a high-end NYC escort weren't too far-fetched.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Doc,

It's been well established by McDougal in her interviews that Trump left her money after they had sex. Why did he do that? Does Trump strike you as a money for nothing kind of guy? I believe there was some quid pro quo there:

https://wgntv.com/2018/03/22/karen-mcdougal-tells-cnn-trump-once-tried-to-pay-her-after-sex/

Clearly Trump hookerized MacDougal, causing her to be "hurt." But why did he do that AFTER the sex? Makes no sense. I am not so naive as to believe there was no quid pro quo going on there. Something is not adding up!

 

[sambuca]

Are you guys okay? I'm concerned you've moved into fourth stage Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I was sarcastic about Mueller interviewing some Madame. WTH does this have to do with Russian collusion? Eager, you made an admirable attempt to take us from Russians, Escorts, Roger Stone and voila Trump. I'm sure the Madame has detailed knowledge of the collusion.

Is anyone else tired? I'm tired.

 

[sambuca]

Who the fuck cares about who the President fucked, when and where he fucked them and what he gave them!

Do you two realize you are on a hooker forum criticizing the U.S. President for having a penchant for the ladies?

Is anyone else tired? I'm tired.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Do you two realize you are on a hooker forum criticizing the U.S. President for having a penchant for the ladies?

Where in any post did anyone criticize Trump for having a penchant for the ladies? Are you actually reading the posts you are commenting on? The point (which apparently has escaped you) is that well connected people were using Kristin Davis's agency (from both political parties) and it IS collusion to be setting up Russian diplomats with escorts, if that is what Roger Stone was doing. And if that is what he was doing, it is totally legitimate for Mueller's team to be asking Kristin Davis questions. Anyone can set up anyone they want with an escort, but when you start doing it for agents of foreign powers, it smacks of collusion.

 

[sambuca]

Where in any post did anyone criticize Trump for having a penchant for the ladies? Are you actually reading the posts you are commenting on?

Yes, I am EB.

Here was your very recent post: "Clearly Trump hookerized MacDougal, causing her to be "hurt." But why did he do that AFTER the sex? Makes no sense. I am not so naive as to believe there was no quid pro quo going on there. Something is not adding up!"

As I said, who gives a fuck.

 

[EagerBeaver]

What in my post suggested anything other than it did not add up? How was I criticizing Trump for seeing an escort? The bottom line is I would not assume, as you do, that there is no reason for Kristin Davis to be questioned. She submitted voluntarily to that process - not under a subpoena.

 

[sambuca]

My comment "Do you two realize you are on a hooker forum criticizing the U.S. President for having a penchant for the ladies?" has nothing to do with Kristin Davis. I am referring to the sexual innuendo that was tossed at Trump by you AND Doc. In reference to Karen McDougal, what does "quid pro quo" and "something is not adding up" really mean and why should we care?

Doc suggested Melania was a high-priced call girl.

The entire line of investigation and discussion regarding Trump's sexual dalliances are political and designed to turn-off Trump to women voters. That's why I think it's ironical that Trump haters here bring it up on this forum.

 

[EagerBeaver]

"Quid pro quo" means quite obviously that these meetings were arranged. Doc posted that Trump met MacDougal at the Playboy Mansion, presuming that Trump just happened to stop by the Playboy mansion when MacDougal just happened to be there (very convenient). MacDougal reported that Trump left her money after she had sex with him, not before. What is suggested is that the money was intended for a third party. That's the only thing that makes any sense. And if all of that adds up to you as perfectly normal behavior then I really do not know what to say.

Did Kristin Davis have a connection at Playboy? Let's put it this way, I know a booker who has far less standing in NYC than Davis who had Playboy models available for $2,000 and up in NYC when they made promo appearances in NYC. I am really surprised that this all seems to be a news flash to you guys. Davis had plenty of LA-based clients who liked porn stars and models, one of them being Charlie Sheen. I think Sheen was known to almost every high end booker in NYC.

Anyway, the stories on MacDougal and Daniels never added up to me and suggested that Trump had some kind of his own personal liaison for contacts with a booker, which may have been Stone. If one believes that then all of the above makes sense and also makes sense that Stone could be used to set up entertainment for political connections, including Russian political connections. I kind of think Trump would operate by using a loyalist to do the work behind the scenes and maybe that was Stone's real job.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc suggested Melania was a high-priced call girl.

Not me. That story has been circulating for a while now:

Did Melania work as an escort?

Melania sues Daily Mail over escort allegations

Better not mention Melania was once an escort

Axl Rose accuses Melania of once being a hooker

The big question is: how did Donald Trump meet Melania? We all know he's always been a pig and banged hookers and pornstars all over the world. Was Melania the exception?

 

[EagerBeaver]

In considering the possible connection of Stone and Kristin Davis, I did consider the stories that have been out there about Melania posted by Doc both above and earlier. Here is the thing: there is this whole niche market out there of what we would all call very high end escorts. However this market sector of women do not see themselves as escorts, much like Seeking Arrangenent girls, and one can argue that they are not. They are not available to the public. Usually they are available to a small number of preapproved clients, almost all of whom are absurdly wealthy men who can pay $10,000 for a dinner date, and/or an overnight with sex with one of them. I have zero issue with Trump being a participant client in this sector, nor Dave Duchovny, Charlie Sheen or Michael Douglas, who have all been treated for “sexual addiction.” The issue is mixing this in with advancement of political agendas. It cannot be done. We all have the right to play around within our means. But we have no right to be using operatives to buy pussy to further political agendas. That is the only point being made here.

Trump seemingly was involved in this high end sector for a long time and he may have gotten too comfortable in using it to repay favors. Shit, I even bought an HDH escort for Doc Holliday one year as compensation for assistance he had given me. If a really small time P4P guy like me does something like that, what do you think Trump can do with those he owes favors? See and the thing is we know Trump always uses straw or middle men (like Cohen) in his dealings, but Cohen isn’t the right guy for pussy favors. It just so happens that Roger Stone is the PERFECT guy to handle those favors.

 

[sambuca]

That boy ain't right in the head.