The oil is still and will remain there. One day, hopefully, the global economic and the pipelines issues will be at the rendez-vous and then we will cash-in. Obviously, I'm just more optimistic than you. Future will tell who is right. :yo:
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We can get it out of the ground now and to a pipeline for about $20 a barrel, soon it will be $15 -18. A pipeline to tide water is all we need.
Trudeau is just a little puppy STN do not worry about him. He is backing you up for the pipeline and oil industry. He is no way as dangerous as the wana be dictator south of the border who openly lies with every fucking tweet he publish. And he is a threat to free press.
You making a level, well-reasoned post intermittently does not make you pragmatic. (I don't know why you are now distancing yourself from Republican policy when the only thing you've defended here is exactly that). I don't need to enumerate the times you have typed something, only for me to disabuse the notion a reply later. Even within that last post, you pulled a typical Sambucaism where on-point analysis is contaminated with "Did he really just type that sans irony?" The culprit in this case is saying employment numbers are worthless. It's fair to say the monthly numbers has pitfalls like people who have maxed out on unemployment insurance or people who return to school but to say it's worthless is just more of the WTF you type. Also, I wasn't predicting 3rd or 4th quarter GDP. Instead, I was merely informing someone who touted Trump as fixing the economy without truly delving into the details of why one quarter was particularly active. This was the same economy that was on the upswing of the waning years of Obama's final term.
Finally, there is no cheerleading. I'm aware of my political predilections but I'm also honest enough to give credit where it is due. To that point, the first part of sentence about Trump on the economy was to say he deserved some credit (like the tax cuts that he signed). I've also given him credit in other situations.
However, even a broken clock is right once a day. I'm not against Trump because I'm a liberal. I'm against Trump because not only is he incompetent, but his election is a colossal repudiation to everything that made this country great in the first place. Superman's motto was that he fought for "Truth, Justice and the American Way." Superman might be an fictional, idealized version of ourselves but writers still imbued him with that motto because even when America fell short, we still strove for those ideals. And as vague as "American Way" is, here comes a person that's supposed to be a leader flout the former two in flagrant fashion almost routinely. I'm not naive enough to think all politicians don't lie in some way or another. What is new, however, is until Trump no politician openly lied about matters that were so easy to prove as such. That you aren't incensed or that asking for consistent application of rules = cheerleading says more about you than me. Would you have been incensed if Clinton (either one) barred a Fox News reporter? Although that example is a hypothetical, in real life the current President recently barred a network not sympathetic to him from a press event. Are we America or Zimbabwe? Did you debate the insanity of paying $12 billion to farmers to rectify a problem Trump caused in the first place? (Had that happened under Obama, it would have been rightfully called socialism). There are ample examples of Republicans exhibiting poor governance but to call it out is apparently cheerleading.
I'm pretty sure Jalimon saying to be like him is a joke. I can't remember a single pro-Trump post from him either. But I understand my exposition makes it obvious I'm concerned the state of the country. It's also how arguments work: explain by logic and convince the other side. But that too, is becoming a thing of the past.
He went even further a few times calling the press enemy of the people. Telling you he is watching too many Hitler movies.
How can a decent human being say ANYTHING good about Trump? He represent exactly everything I hate in humanity. Greedy. Bully. No culture. Sexual assaulter. Narcissist... Just to name a few things.
Jalimon, I've worked for good business leaders and shitty business leaders. Unfortunately, I can't say that the best business leaders were the kindest, most cultured and selfless people.
We can all debate all day long how the next two and half years will go, but the results will be the results. Most American voters are pragmatic and appreciate results. If you asked me who was the better person, I would say President Obama and even your Prime Minister Trudeau without a doubt.
We can all debate all day long how the next two and half years will go, but the results will be the results. Most American voters are pragmatic and appreciate results. If you asked me who was the better person, I would say President Obama and even your Prime Minister Trudeau without a doubt.
That is the difference between ass hole shitty ruthless business leader that perfectly know they should never enter politics. Steve Jobs knew it. Success in business is an horrible teacher because it makes you think you will know it all and will never fail. It brings the compassion and the capacity to listen out of you.
A few business guy were able to be great politician (Bloomberg) because they understood this and have a bit of humility in them.
America is the richest country on earth yet here we are having to fix it because it's fucked up. Don't you think the problem is not within your own country? Don't you think the problem is america's incapacity to stop the inequities where only rich only get richer without giving a fuck to the main stream population? I have written often a population as rich as the USA that still think free healtcare and free education is wrong is doomed to fail in the long run.
Cheers,
Carmine, you recognizing the tax cuts as a Trump positive is a first as far I can remember. I knew you would react to my pragmatism comment, but I don't recall you saying anything positive about any of Trump's policies. Hey, even a blind nut (Trump) finds a squirrel once in awhile. I am very pedantic describing what I view as good policy and bad policy. I try to overlook personality. Undo focus on personality and extraneous issues grinds the country to a standstill which we both must admit is an opposition strategy.
You might remember I've challenged SolTeeNuts that cyclical factors have overpowering influence on economic results in the U.S. and Canada. It's ridiculous to give Trump all the credit for our strong economy. I have a hunch good or bad that commodity prices might uptick during Trump's tenure. That should also benefit Canada greatly.
It's fair to criticize Trump for being garish and divisive. I personally think on issues like immigration he has to shout over the 80% of the press that not only disagree with him, but many oppose him. When I say oppose, I think it's ridiculous for members of the White House Press Corps to debate Trump and his Press Secretary. Absolutely ridiculous! We get it they prefer Obama's policies. Now they need to shut up and sit down. By the way, I seem to recall President Obama always criticized Fox News. Then there was Eric Holder's investigation of reporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Department_of_Justice_investigations_of_reporters
You might remember I've challenged SolTeeNuts that cyclical factors have overpowering influence on economic results in the U.S. and Canada. It's ridiculous to give Trump all the credit for our strong economy. I have a hunch good or bad that commodity prices might uptick during Trump's tenure. That should also benefit Canada greatly.
It's fair to criticize Trump for being garish and divisive. I personally think on issues like immigration he has to shout over the 80% of the press that not only disagree with him, but many oppose him. When I say oppose, I think it's ridiculous for members of the White House Press Corps to debate Trump and his Press Secretary. Absolutely ridiculous! We get it they prefer Obama's policies. Now they need to shut up and sit down. By the way, I seem to recall President Obama always criticized Fox News. Then there was Eric Holder's investigation of reporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Department_of_Justice_investigations_of_reporters
FBI collusion
Great article in the Boston Herald - written by former FBI agent
http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion
Great article in the Boston Herald - written by former FBI agent
http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion
What Are the FBI and CIA Hiding?
Another GREAT article in the Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-are-the-fbi-and-cia-hiding-1533078662
Another GREAT article in the Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-are-the-fbi-and-cia-hiding-1533078662
To be fair, I'm crediting Trump for the tax cut's effect on the economy and not the wisdom of the tax cuts itself. Based on current spending and reduced govt revenues now, you realize at that some point some unlucky President is going to have to raise taxes--at least if anyone still believes in fiscal responsibility. The tax cuts weren't meant for regular people like you and me. And now they're proposing another round of tax cuts that won't go through Congress.
I commended Trump when he commuted that druggie lady's sentence. I also praised Trump for meeting Kim Jong-un. The funny thing about that though, is Obama said the same thing. I saw a video where Fox News personality after Fox News personality said Obama willing to meet with North Korea was such a bad idea, but it was a complete about-face with nothing but praise when Trump went to Singapore.
We share ideals, I'm sure. I'm passionate (damn Gemini ways) but I don't have my head in the clouds. I've come here to bash Democrats on their stupid ideas and even narrowly defended gun rights. It's that same balance that's allowed me to criticize Hillary and Obama. Speaking of Obama criticism, you can thank him in part for the assault on the press. In his first term, he did more against the press than Trump has: seizing reporters' phone records, went after one Fox News reporter (Rosen, who is mentioned in your link), forced a NY Times reporter to reveal his sources and used arcane laws to go after leakers like Rosen. I understand that Trump really makes people pine for Obama but there's a lot of Obama hero worship that made people overlook a lot of his shortcomings.
I'm glad you can disassociate Trump the man from his policies. It'd be much easier for me to do that if Trump doesn't go out of his way so often to remind everyone that he's kinda like a sausage overstuffed with cluelessness and mean-spiritedness.
Couldn't say it any better. Trump is good for one thing though. Next to Trump, every other guy is packing John Holmes power! All dicks should be expressed in n Trump dick terms. So John Holmes had a 20T dick.
Carmine, as I've said before the corporate tax cuts were necessary. Hell, even Obama's Democrat economic advisors were telling him we can't keep the corporate rates this much higher than the rest of the developed countries. I believe these cuts will be more permanent. The individual tax cuts were sugar to go with the medicine. Medicine as in most people don't understand why big corporations should be given tax cuts. These individual tax rates as you correctly stated will eventually be the rates that go back up.
I'm not an economist, but I have pretty good financial logic. Reducing the capital gains tax rate, as was floated recently, makes no sense on top of cutting corporate rates. Corporations are major vehicles for investment. Now they are paying a reduced level of taxes. Since they can defer taxes for their owners by reinvesting profits instead of paying dividends, you would in essence be giving another tax cut to the owners of corporations, corporate stock, etc. Reinvested profits eventually get returned to owners as capital gains.
I don't think many Republicans understand the structural impact of heightened income inequality on the economy. Basically, aggregate demand is not as healthy and robust as previous decades. Like it or not, the 1%, the 5% or 10% are also going to pay more taxes than in the past.
I'm not an economist, but I have pretty good financial logic. Reducing the capital gains tax rate, as was floated recently, makes no sense on top of cutting corporate rates. Corporations are major vehicles for investment. Now they are paying a reduced level of taxes. Since they can defer taxes for their owners by reinvesting profits instead of paying dividends, you would in essence be giving another tax cut to the owners of corporations, corporate stock, etc. Reinvested profits eventually get returned to owners as capital gains.
I don't think many Republicans understand the structural impact of heightened income inequality on the economy. Basically, aggregate demand is not as healthy and robust as previous decades. Like it or not, the 1%, the 5% or 10% are also going to pay more taxes than in the past.
Don't get too caught up in the rhetoric. We have free healthcare for a great deal of people. There are over 70 million covered by Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). There are over 58 million seniors covered by Medicare. Since Medicare requires Federal funding for 70% of its costs, most people never even come close to having paid for their senior healthcare with their payroll tax deductions over their working life.
Is our healthcare system fragmented? Yes. Does it appear to be inefficient and costly? Yes.
I think it comes down to many Americans not trusting government management. I am also not sure those who receive their healthcare from their employer would support a single payer model.
Ok maybe it's not that bad. Just wishing so many americans would not have to put a second mortgage when they have a heart attack...
And Sambuca by the way no one has EVER been able to answer these 2 questions I have:
1. If you do not trust the government who do you trust? Dictators? The military?
2. If you do not trust the mainstream media who do you trust? Fucking blogs? The Onion? Breitbart news? What are you options to the free press?
Cheers,
And Sambuca by the way no one has EVER been able to answer these 2 questions I have:
1. If you do not trust the government who do you trust? Dictators? The military?
2. If you do not trust the mainstream media who do you trust? Fucking blogs? The Onion? Breitbart news? What are you options to the free press?
Cheers,
Just watch another act of Sarah Huckabee Sanders trying to bypass the simple question "Is the press the enemy of the people?"... Listening to her just make me chuckle and say to myself "Ostie de calisse comment ce pays de criss de fucké peut t'il être le plus riche au monde!!!" Haha ca me dépasse j'y comprend rien!!
Cheers,
Cheers,
Trump a eu moins de votes que Clinton, a perdu le vote populaire. Mais... a remporté le collège électoral, donc a été élu... ce système électoral est un peu bizarre. En france, c'est le vote populaire qui compte pour le président. Ici le premier ministre est le chef du parti qui a eu la majorité de siège... Chaque système a ses avantages et ses inconvénients.
Trump had less votes than Clinton but won the Electoral College and the rest is a bad joke that hopefully will end soon, 2018 or 2020???
Trump had less votes than Clinton but won the Electoral College and the rest is a bad joke that hopefully will end soon, 2018 or 2020???
Without going into too much detail that's been discussed ad nauseam here and elsewhere, it's impossible to know how the populace would have turned out and voted if we elected our President with the popular vote.
Let's look at the issue at its basic level. During the campaign, Hillary spent far too much time in California getting her ass licked by the liberal elite in Hollywood. Trump started working traditionally Democrat states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania when he realized he was winning over voters there. Hillary just took those states for granted. Even Bill questioned her campaign advisors about their neglect of working class voters in the Rust Belt. Even her message basically ignored these voters.
Watching Friends and Seinfeld doesn't make one an expert on American culture. I don't think you understand the American psyche. I personally think it's healthy to be skeptical of both government and mainstream media.
Universal healthcare is supported here to some degree. Americans in aggregate are just not as concerned with ideas of equity. They are not as interested in some collectivist idea that everyone should have exactly the same healthcare plan administered by a government agency. The shame is most Americans don't understand how a chronic illness can put their health insurance at risk due to being unable to work and so on.
In regards to the media, I think any citizen in the U.S. has to wade through enormous amounts of political advocacy and speculation to sift out the factual news. The best way is probably to watch or read sources from both sides of the spectrum.
Those are 2 moot questions, the government and media can not be trusted, there is no answer unless you say friends or family, those are the only people you can trust.
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