Let me be the first... they have a 100% right to choose... as always we would hope that it isn't on a prejudiced basis.
To which extent an escort/courtesan has the right to choose her clients?
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C'est ca...Elizabeth said:Oops, my poll was not up when you answered, Dee.
I guess your answer would be number one?
I voted #1. This is an extremely intimate/personal business we're talking about here, with real risks the ladies take. Not only regarding personal health, but personal safety as well.
In Paris, there are bars where you can pick up a girl you like and take her back to your hotel with you, but the rule is that the ladies don't have to go anywhere with anyone they're not comfortable with.
In Paris, there are bars where you can pick up a girl you like and take her back to your hotel with you, but the rule is that the ladies don't have to go anywhere with anyone they're not comfortable with.
Exactement ...
... but, as others have mentioned, the one time it really matters, when a girl works for an agency, she really has very little choice in the matter.
And that's the biggie, that's the reason I prefer to meet with indies or women at smaller agencies where I know they remember me, and I remember them. Then the atmosphere is definitely more along the lines of being a "date". The few favorites I've met through agencies really have no idea who they were going to meet until I opened the door.
Of course the surprised smiles I've gotten are nice for me ... but I havre to think about what this girl goes through every time she works. As in ... she never knows who she's going to meet.
At least indies have corresponded in some way prior to meeting so they have some idea who or what to expect and meeting someone they've seen before is always more comfortable.
So it's like the question almost needs to be split up into two categories ... indies & agencies.
I think most would agree that most agency girls feel pressured (either directly or indirectly/financially) to go along with situatuions that they might personally prefer not to put themselves into.
Firewire said:
... but, as others have mentioned, the one time it really matters, when a girl works for an agency, she really has very little choice in the matter.
And that's the biggie, that's the reason I prefer to meet with indies or women at smaller agencies where I know they remember me, and I remember them. Then the atmosphere is definitely more along the lines of being a "date". The few favorites I've met through agencies really have no idea who they were going to meet until I opened the door.
Of course the surprised smiles I've gotten are nice for me ... but I havre to think about what this girl goes through every time she works. As in ... she never knows who she's going to meet.
At least indies have corresponded in some way prior to meeting so they have some idea who or what to expect and meeting someone they've seen before is always more comfortable.
So it's like the question almost needs to be split up into two categories ... indies & agencies.
I think most would agree that most agency girls feel pressured (either directly or indirectly/financially) to go along with situatuions that they might personally prefer not to put themselves into.
emgeef said:
People have done that. A few SPs have mentioned that they were refused.
Personally, I've never refused anyone even though a few times I've wanted to refuse the SP.
I've also been refused. The times that I've been refused, I did not see the SP. The refusal was done professionally and for me that is fine. It was at the time of booking. I prefer it this way.
Some agency websites mention that if you refuse the girl, you generally still have to pay $20 to the driver. I'm not sure how strict it is.
I selected number 1, but I thought of something. Here it goes. Since this business is all about reputation and better reputation is likely to increase marketability. Right to refuse anyone with or even without reason may not be a good idea for a SP. Whoever the SP refuses that person will create some reason and start arguing endlessly on this board. If I were a SP, I would not want to be caught on the radar. If the client is a repeat client, I would give an excuse about my unavailability.
This is a hard issue for a SP to handle. I don't know how the business works from SP side, but I am assuming that a SP may have to deal with regulars and strangers. A stranger who does not treat a SP right should not become a regular. If there are legit reasons for security, inappropriate demands or hygine issues then a SP should not have to go through the appointment. Last thing a SP needs is to defend herself on this board with a client who does not give up.
This is a hard issue for a SP to handle. I don't know how the business works from SP side, but I am assuming that a SP may have to deal with regulars and strangers. A stranger who does not treat a SP right should not become a regular. If there are legit reasons for security, inappropriate demands or hygine issues then a SP should not have to go through the appointment. Last thing a SP needs is to defend herself on this board with a client who does not give up.
I`m jumping in without prior knowledge of the ongoing discussion. As expected, we have a consensus over the question of ``right``. I would now be curious if the same consensus would be reached over escorts/companions actually exercising such right.Elizabeth said:Everyone is agreeing so there can not be any debate!
Here`s a corollary question: Which character of hobbyland fantasy would utter the following: ``We`ll give you all the privileges you want, dear, only you can`t use any of them.`` (oooh that`s dark!)
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She Ultmately has the right to screen
As in any relationship between a man and woman there should be honesty, and in todays society unless 2 folks who are great friends fall in love, most relationships, encounter a small amount of stretching the truth a bit, ........hence "The Hobby"
the epitome of the term Free Love, free in that the SP and client are free of head games and one liners, and any intimacy is sincere and not contrived, anyone can tell GFE from Shakespeare.
So since this is one of the last purely honest relationships, the SP should choose an agency that qualifies to her screening standards and of course the indie should advertize accordingly as to notcause any shocks, surprises, or misunderstandings.
As in any relationship between a man and woman there should be honesty, and in todays society unless 2 folks who are great friends fall in love, most relationships, encounter a small amount of stretching the truth a bit, ........hence "The Hobby"
the epitome of the term Free Love, free in that the SP and client are free of head games and one liners, and any intimacy is sincere and not contrived, anyone can tell GFE from Shakespeare.
So since this is one of the last purely honest relationships, the SP should choose an agency that qualifies to her screening standards and of course the indie should advertize accordingly as to notcause any shocks, surprises, or misunderstandings.
Le rire, selon la définiition que Bergson en donne, serait du mécanique plaqué sur du vivant. À force de m'amuser de votre ironie, j'en suis venu à me demander si la définition ne gagnerait pas à ce qu'on renversât les termes. Parce que, mademoiselle, vous maîtrisez comme personne l'art de plaquer le vivant sur le mécanique!traveller_76 said:...et au 'flippeur' de burger chez McDo de s'ouvrir son propre resto...
p.s. vous trouverez, dans vos PM, le code du message subliminal juxtaposé au commentaire ci-dessus.
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Also the hobbyist should open the door, looking and smelling the way one would for a renewed girlfriend or lover, sharply attired for youe date, expensive cologne, a glass of ice wine, nice music, hey don't be cheap! She is a woman and first impressions are important
I don't think that anyone should be surprised with the results. From client's point of view, why should anyone spend $160-250 or more to be with someone who does not want to be with him. I think the SP is doing a favor by telling the client that he can spend his money elsewhere. The tact of refusing is very important. A blunt approach will only hurt an SP.
If a SP decides to refuse a client, she is refusing the money and also the time and money it took her to travel to the client location. Naturally the reason for refusal must be a strong reason. So either way, I think it is fair.
If a SP decides to refuse a client, she is refusing the money and also the time and money it took her to travel to the client location. Naturally the reason for refusal must be a strong reason. So either way, I think it is fair.
All professionals (doctors, lawyers, accountants, ...), trades (plumbers, electricians, ...) and businessmen (depaneurs, restaurants, ...) have the right to refuse any client for any reason (as long as it's not based on discrimination). Why should escorts be any different?
It's not different as long as we confine the discussion within the fantasy domain of "rights". Reality (i.e. the reality of agency girls, incalls, street walkers), on the other hand, teaches us that privileges are gladly granted to those who don't have the competence to enjoy them.Kepler said:
When I worked with an agency
refusing a client was a big deal. I mean, there had to be a great great reason (a guy throwing up drunk wasn't good enough since he booked a duo and the other girl wanted to stay!)... so, did I have the right to, yes, I did. However, I had to understand that if I refused clients, I would likely not be booked very often. The operator would avoid booking me and I would likely sit in a smoke filled car for 8 or so hours. Not my idea of a good time either.
My last call for the agency I worked with was a guy who kept taking condoms off, by the end, I had no more condoms (I brough ALOT) and he got mad. I tried calling the agency to no avail, and the guy called the police (duh?)... I just walked home at 4AM and never bothered with the agency again.
As an indy, I do a pretty good job of screening and have only refused a client 2 times. Once a guy opened the door naked and drunk, the second time it was a guy who clearly had something to check out with the doctor. Other than that, all other refusals have happened long before a date was made. I think that that is key... no one wants to be refused outright?? Right?
Most of the time, refusals have been because of inappropriate language, disrespectful attitude, or just a gut feeling. Other times, it is directly related to safety where I see a guys name on a blacklist or something. So, for me, being able to select, get to know and screen is my priority.
xoxox
Anik
refusing a client was a big deal. I mean, there had to be a great great reason (a guy throwing up drunk wasn't good enough since he booked a duo and the other girl wanted to stay!)... so, did I have the right to, yes, I did. However, I had to understand that if I refused clients, I would likely not be booked very often. The operator would avoid booking me and I would likely sit in a smoke filled car for 8 or so hours. Not my idea of a good time either.
My last call for the agency I worked with was a guy who kept taking condoms off, by the end, I had no more condoms (I brough ALOT) and he got mad. I tried calling the agency to no avail, and the guy called the police (duh?)... I just walked home at 4AM and never bothered with the agency again.
As an indy, I do a pretty good job of screening and have only refused a client 2 times. Once a guy opened the door naked and drunk, the second time it was a guy who clearly had something to check out with the doctor. Other than that, all other refusals have happened long before a date was made. I think that that is key... no one wants to be refused outright?? Right?
Most of the time, refusals have been because of inappropriate language, disrespectful attitude, or just a gut feeling. Other times, it is directly related to safety where I see a guys name on a blacklist or something. So, for me, being able to select, get to know and screen is my priority.
xoxox
Anik
Equanimity said:
It is correct that a doctor cannot refuse a patient in an emergency. But doctors can (and certainly do) refuse patients regularly. Eg: she thinks she already has enough patients in her practice; he doesn't like the patient's attitude; she doesn't want to furnish the service the patient is requesting (birthing, elective operation, etc.).....
It's a free country!
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putneyswope said:
Mainly, all this show is you have money (or want her to believe so) and you like to show it. As far as first impression, if what you're looking for is only to look superficial, IMHO, this is the way to go.
All this wine and expensive cologne isn't required. It probably won't hurt but, it must be part of a package who make the lady feel appreciated, safe, and interested in staying, not only by the material stuff but, more by the attitude. When we make the lady feel good, this is where it gets interesting. A glass of wine and expensive cologne won't do zit for a jerk, while a caring and nice attitude will do miracles for a poor dude!
Also guys, remember the lady you're meeting might have seen a few other well-intentetionned guys before you so, the "expensive cologne and wine" might be "deja vu" and get on her nerves after a while!
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