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...plus this MAGA IDIOT said/ Univision town hall wednesday.....JAN 6 was a ''day of love''...wow.... what a disgusting character....

Last night at the Al Smith Dinner, Trump mocked Democrat adversaries.
I thought he was able to wtite himself jokes but guess what, he told today that they were all written by FoxNews !
 
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Again---for those who cannot read---....lollll.....it was last WEDNESDAY in Miami during a TOWN HALL/UNIVISION.....and the participants were unimpressed by his arrogance.....relolllll
 

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This raises a very interesting issue which in my mind should be openly discussed and not pushed aside…

Here’s another one that nobody in the media seems to give 2 fcks about, yet doesn’t pass the smell test: How does Kamala even get on the ballot without any input from Dem voters?

Selected by a liberal cabal in a thoroughly opaque process. I thought we were a democracy. No primary. No debates. How does she deserve to be at the top of the Dem ticket? Versus more accomplished, or equally qualified, or even better qualified candidates? Like Shapiro, Whitmer, etc.? Hell, I could stomach Gina Raimondo, and would vote for her over the Orange Man.

A secret group of power brokers, behind closed doors, hand-selecting Kamala feels like the antithesis of democracy. It’s pure hypocrisy.
 

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Here’s another one that nobody in the media seems to give 2 fcks about, yet doesn’t pass the smell test: How does Kamala even get on the ballot without any input from Dem voters?

Selected by a liberal cabal in a thoroughly opaque process.
I was left scratching my head by this as well. There is no question that Biden had to be removed due to his dementia, but is it not foreseeable that another President will have to be removed for the same reasons at some point in the future? And we have no tangible transparent process in place for selecting who goes on the ballot in place of the removed President?????? It's stunning.

Make no mistake - Harris was not Democratically selected. She was anointed by a secret cabal. Other more worthy candidates like Whitmer, Newsome, Shapiro were pushed aside and nobody questioned it. I questioned it in my head, but even here in this thread, I don't remember anyone other than you raising these concerns. Everyone else seemed okay with the cabal and going along with their hidden and secret directives.
 
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Talking of ''dementia''......BIG ORANGE fits the bill....lol...in constant/permanent delirium and incoherence....the only difference they are all afraid of him.....they shit in their pants in the face of his auhoritarianism.
 

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Here’s another one that nobody in the media seems to give 2 fcks about, yet doesn’t pass the smell test: How does Kamala even get on the ballot without any input from Dem voters?

Selected by a liberal cabal in a thoroughly opaque process. I thought we were a democracy. No primary. No debates. How does she deserve to be at the top of the Dem ticket? Versus more accomplished, or equally qualified, or even better qualified candidates? Like Shapiro, Whitmer, etc.? Hell, I could stomach Gina Raimondo, and would vote for her over the Orange Man.

A secret group of power brokers, behind closed doors, hand-selecting Kamala feels like the antithesis of democracy. It’s pure hypocrisy.
Enough of the "secret cabal" nonsense. Biden was showing his age, realized he couldn't successfully compete anymore, and stepped down only 3 months before election day. Any Dem could have announced their candidacy for president, but only Harris did so. There was no time for debates or primaries. Harris was nominated on the first ballot at the Democrat convention.

The American people will vote to decide our next president. That's democracy. What's not democracy is trump trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. If he loses in 2024, he will undoubtedly try to steal the presidency again. Presently we are a democracy, and to stay a democracy America must reject an authoritarian criminal like trump.
 

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Enough of the "secret cabal" nonsense. Biden was showing his age, realized he couldn't successfully compete anymore, and stepped down only 3 months before election day. Any Dem could have announced their candidacy for president, but only Harris did so. There was no time for debates or primaries. Harris was nominated on the first ballot at the Democrat convention.

The American people will vote to decide our next president. That's democracy. What's not democracy is trump trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. If he loses in 2024, he will undoubtedly try to steal the presidency again. Presently we are a democracy, and to stay a democracy America must reject an authoritarian criminal like trump.
“Any Dem could have announced their candidacy for president, but only Harris did so.”

Do you really believe in it? There are plenty of possible Democratic candidates that are much more qualified than Harris. They were not given the opportunity to compete against Harris. There were no due process. Do you know if there was at the very least the voting at the Democratic Committee were other candidates were considered? ? Do you know names of these possible candidates? Who voted? If you can’t positively answer these questions the conspiracy is not only likely but is pretty obvious.
 

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“Any Dem could have announced their candidacy for president, but only Harris did so.”

Do you really believe in it? There are plenty of possible Democratic candidates that are much more qualified than Harris. They were not given the opportunity to compete against Harris. There were no due process. Do you know if there was at the very least the voting at the Democratic Committee were other candidates were considered? ? Do you know names of these possible candidates? Who voted? If you can’t positively answer these questions the conspiracy is not only likely but is pretty obvious.
Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Had Biden decided not to run a year ago, there would have been the usual process of multiple candidates, debates, and primaries. But that's not what happened. Biden dropped out 3 months before election day. This was unprecedented, so the usual process does not apply. Harris, as sitting VP, is the obvious choice to run. She had the campaign infrastructure in place from the Biden/Harris ticket. Any other Dem could have announced their candidacy but didn't because only Harris was ready to run on such short notice. The Democrat party convention could have nominated another candidate but instead nominated Harris. Now the country has the choice of electing Harris or trump. Let the people decide and don't let trump create chaos and a constitutional crisis if he loses.
 

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Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Had Biden decided not to run a year ago, there would have been the usual process of multiple candidates, debates, and primaries. But that's not what happened. Biden dropped out 3 months before election day. This was unprecedented, so the usual process does not apply. Harris, as sitting VP, is the obvious choice to run. She had the campaign infrastructure in place from the Biden/Harris ticket. Any other Dem could have announced their candidacy but didn't because only Harris was ready to run on such short notice. The Democrat party convention could have nominated another candidate but instead nominated Harris. Now the country has the choice of electing Harris or trump. Let the people decide and don't let trump create chaos and a constitutional crisis if he loses.
Let me be clear. I regard Trump to be not a good candidate for the presidency. Nikky Haley would be much better. Trump, however, was nominated through the established and transparent democratic process and is, at the very least, the legitimate candidate.

Harris, non withstanding her qualifications, is not a legitimate candidate. She was nominated by largely anonymous group of people through some obscure and non-democratic process. The reason she was chosen against other possible candidates is unknown and was not publicly discussed. The reference to the time crunch is ridiculous. Three months is a lot of time. There may be no new primaries but discussing other candidates in public and transparent to public non-anonymous voting by the Democratic committee was the must

United States has survived some not very good and a couple of pretty bad presidents. They were however all legitimate candidates and represented himself and known to public affiliates. It is the first time in US history that we do know why, how and by whom the presidential candidate from Democratic party was chosen. I consider this to be a much more direct and dangerous threat to US democracy than yet another not so good president.
 

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Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Had Biden decided not to run a year ago, there would have been the usual process of multiple candidates, debates, and primaries. But that's not what happened. Biden dropped out 3 months before election day. This was unprecedented, so the usual process does not apply. Harris, as sitting VP, is the obvious choice to run. She had the campaign infrastructure in place from the Biden/Harris ticket. Any other Dem could have announced their candidacy but didn't because only Harris was ready to run on such short notice. The Democrat party convention could have nominated another candidate but instead nominated Harris. Now the country has the choice of electing Harris or trump. Let the people decide and don't let trump create chaos and a constitutional crisis if he loses.

I thought your precedent post was clear but some didn't understand or don't want to understand.
 

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First falsehood is that Biden realized he was unfit and decided to resign.
He many times publicly stated that he would not but then suddenly changed his mind lol, No he was forced to resign by the same puppet masters that anointed Harris in his place.
The web of lies of course is reinforced by all the left controlled media as usual.
The conspiracy is not a theory.
How do you trust a party that was hiding the mental decline of their leader for years.
 

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Let me be clear. I regard Trump to be not a good candidate for the presidency. Nikky Haley would be much better. Trump, however, was nominated through the established and transparent democratic process and is, at the very least, the legitimate candidate.

Harris, non withstanding her qualifications, is not a legitimate candidate. She was nominated by largely anonymous group of people through some obscure and non-democratic process. The reason she was chosen against other possible candidates is unknown and was not publicly discussed. The reference to the time crunch is ridiculous. Three months is a lot of time. There may be no new primaries but discussing other candidates in public and transparent to public non-anonymous voting by the Democratic committee was the must

United States has survived some not very good and a couple of pretty bad presidents. They were however all legitimate candidates and represented himself and known to public affiliates. It is the first time in US history that we do know why, how and by whom the presidential candidate from Democratic party was chosen. I consider this to be a much more direct and dangerous threat to US democracy than yet another not so good president.
Harris is the sitting VP and a legitimate presidential candidate except for those who are looking for any reason - however absurd, misogynistic, or racist - to call her illegitimate.

3 months is an impossible amount of time to hold debates and to conduct another round of primary elections in all 50 states before the Democratic convention in August. Then the nominee has a month to run for president before ballots are printed in September and early voting starts in October. That's ridiculous on its face.
 
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Harris is the sitting VP and a legitimate presidential candidate except for those who are looking for any reason - however absurd, misogynistic, or racist - to call her illegitimate.
The process by which she was selected for nomination was NOT transparent and you should not be trying to silence or shame criticism of it as "absurd, misogynistic and racist." It is none of those things. It is fair criticism of a very shady, transparent and anonymous process. She was not selected and presented for nomination by the American people through the primary process, or their representatives, but by an unknown cabal who were not elected to do anything. It should be openly discussed, investigated, and if need be they should be prosecuted for election interference and tampering with Democratic processes, and maybe even treason. I would say the same thing if a Republican candidate was chosen in the same fashion.
 
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Harris is the sitting VP and a legitimate presidential candidate except for those who are looking for any reason - however absurd, misogynistic, or racist - to call her illegitimate.
Your accusations of me of all these sins are misappropriated and just show that you run out of arguments based on reason. By constitution Harris should assume president’s duty when he is disabled. By the way she did not do it. They (who are they?) has decided that Biden is unfit to run for presidency but is still good to run the country. Nowhere is written that the current wise president should replace the presidential candidate when he became disabled. Anybody affiliated with Democratic party is equally eligible. However, somebody, somehow has decided that Harris is preferred. Who is this somebody? And why this “somebody” has not publicly discussed his reasons?
 
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Your accusations of me of all these sins are misappropriated and just show that you run out of arguments based on reason. By constitution Harris should assume president’s duty when he is disabled. By the way she did not do it. They (who are they?) has decided that Biden is unfit to run for presidency but is still good to run the country. Nowhere is written that the current wise president should replace the presidential candidate when he became disabled. Anybody affiliated with Democratic party is equally eligible. However, somebody, somehow has decided that Harris is preferred. Who is this somebody? And why this “somebody” has not publicly discussed his reasons?
I am not accusing you of anything, but questioning her legitimacy as the nominee is outrageous and likely based on personal undisclosed reasons. Biden is not disabled so invoking the 25th amendment is unwarranted. I refuse to engage in a discussion where your argument is based on a right-wing fairy tale. Have a nice day.
 
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I am not accusing you of anything, but questioning her legitimacy as the nominee is outrageous and likely based on personal undisclosed ressons. Biden is not disabled so invoking the 25th amendment is unwarranted. I refuse to engage in a discussion where your argument is based on a right-wing fairy tale. Have a nice day.
Nice. One is out
 

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The process by which she was selected for nomination was NOT transparent and you should not be trying to silence or shame criticism of it as "absurd, misogynistic and racist." It is none of those things. It is fair criticism of a very shady, transparent and anonymous process. She was not selected and presented for nomination by the American people through the primary process, or their representatives, but by an unknown cabal who were not elected to do anything. It should be openly discussed, investigated, and if need be they should be prosecuted for election interference and tampering with Democratic processes, and maybe even treason. I would say the same thing if a Republican candidate was chosen in the same fashion.
An "unknown cabal", "election interference", "treason". Really? Where have we heard that before? These wild accusations in merely selecting Harris are outrageous on their face. No judge or jury would accept such ridiculous arguments. Please.
 
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I am not accusing you of anything, but questioning her legitimacy as the nominee is outrageous and likely based on personal undisclosed ressons. Biden is not disabled so invoking the 25th amendment is unwarranted. I refuse to engage in a discussion where your argument is based on a right-wing fairy tale. Have a nice day.
The only fairy tale here is that Biden resigned willingly and wasn’t forced out.
Harris was not appointed democratically but chosen by an unknown group of puppet masters to do their bidding.
So much for Democracy.
 
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The hypocrisy of Dems saying Republicans are a threat to democracy when they pull this shit… :rolleyes::D

And you say you’re objective. ROFL…

At the very least, Trump was elected through a transparent primary process. Like the results or not, and many conservatives are not happy about - at least it was a vote everyone could participate in.

And back to objectivity - plenty of Republicans have acknowledged Trump’s folly in spreading 2020 election lies, and his behavior during Jan 6th. Only the truly fringe MAGA backs Trump in this. But Dems? Not a peep about this Harris selection process. Not a peep about all the crimes and destruction of private property perpetrated in the summer of 2020. Just pretending like nothing happened. So that’s defensible? Just pure hypocrisy.
 
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