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I do give Harris credit for allowing herself to be grilled, but the truth is she didn't agree to this until the polls tightened up like on her like a monkey wrench. Some might view it as a panicked move
It's not a "panicked move" at all. Rather it shows her strength and confidence to be interviewed on Fox while trump is afraid to be on 60 Minutes, attend another debate.etc. She may not convince a single Fox viewer to vote for her, but she may cause some viewers to question the trump facade promulgated by Fox. Maybe some will investigate and learn about the divisive, hateful, fascist rhetoric from trump that Fox is hiding from its viewers. Perhaps some will be rightfully concerned and not vote for trump.
 

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Kamala doesn’t lie like Trump lol.
She repeatedly misled Americans about Biden’s mental fitness for at least a year.
It is unfathomable that she did not see his decline and was not aware of it just like the rest of her puppet masters.
Isn’t it strange that none of the left media ever fact checked her about all these lies.
Isn’t it strange that the only reason she is running for president is because her and the rest of the puppet masters forced a “highly competent and vibrant Biden” to resign lol
How about fact checking Kamala’s years of lying.
 
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Kamala doesn’t lie like Trump lol.
She repeatedly misled Americans about Biden’s mental fitness for at least a year.
It is unfathomable that she did not see his decline and was not aware of it just like the rest of her puppet masters.
Isn’t it strange that none of the left media ever fact checked her about all these lies.
Isn’t it strange that the only reason she is running for president is because her and the rest of the puppet masters forced a “highly competent and vibrant Biden” to resign lol
How about fact checking Kamala’s years of lying.

As far as I can see, Biden is still acting as President and does the job.
I know you will answer that it is false and he is controlled by Obama like Republican have been saying since 2020 election (without any proofs).
 
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Kamala doesn’t lie like Trump lol.
She repeatedly misled Americans about Biden’s mental fitness for at least a year.
It is unfathomable that she did not see his decline and was not aware of it just like the rest of her puppet masters.
Isn’t it strange that none of the left media ever fact checked her about all these lies.
Isn’t it strange that the only reason she is running for president is because her and the rest of the puppet masters forced a “highly competent and vibrant Biden” to resign lol
How about fact checking Kamala’s years of lying.
She is Biden's VP. Her job is to support and counsel Biden and to be next in line in presidential succession. She's performed her duties, supported and counseled the POTUS just like every other VP has in every administration in my lifetime. Show me where she has lied about Biden. If she's "repeatedly misled Americans" that should be pretty easy for you to prove.

BTW there's no such thing as "puppet masters" so you may want to reconsider using that phrase in future posts unless you can prove their existence. All I'm interested in is your proof.
 
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BTW there's no such thing as "puppet masters" so you may want to reconsider using that phrase in future posts unless you can prove their existence. All I'm interested in is your proof.
I am really surprised you have never heard of Metallica. I realize your handle implies you like Jazz, and that's fine, I do too, but one should not be oblivious to other musical genres just as one should not be to their terms entering into the popular lexicon because of the music. As Staedtler correctly identified, it is a song about drug addiction and what it does, but the "party line" has become the heroin of the day.

Perhaps you heard of someone named George Washington? In his farewell address he warned the American people about political parties and partisanship. I would suggest you reread his farewell address but here is a summary:

"Washington continues to advance his idea of the dangers of sectionalism and expands his warning to include the dangers of political parties to the country as a whole. These warnings are given in the context of the recent rise of two opposing parties within the government—the Democratic-Republican Party led by Jefferson, and Hamilton's Federalist Party. Washington had striven to remain neutral during a conflict between Britain and France brought about by the French Revolution, while the Democratic-Republicans had made efforts to align with France, and the Federalists had made efforts to ally with Great Britain.

Washington recognizes that it is natural for people to organize and operate within groups such as political parties, but he also argues that every government has recognized political parties as an enemy and has sought to repress them because of their tendency to seek more power than other groups and to take revenge on political opponents. He feels that disagreements between political parties weakened the government.

Moreover, he makes the case that "the alternate domination" of one party over another and coinciding efforts to exact revenge upon their opponents have led to horrible atrocities, and "is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism." From Washington's perspective and judgment, political parties eventually and "gradually incline the minds of men to seek security… in the absolute power of an individual", leading to despotism. He acknowledges the fact that parties are sometimes beneficial in promoting liberty in monarchies, but he argues that political parties must be restrained in a popularly elected government because of their tendency to distract the government from their duties, create unfounded jealousies among groups and regions, raise false alarms among the people, promote riots and insurrection, and provide foreign nations and interests access to the government where they can impose their will upon the country."
 
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She is Biden's VP. Her job is to support and counsel Biden and to be next in line in presidential succession. She's performed her duties, supported and counseled the POTUS just like every other VP has in every administration in my lifetime. Show me where she has lied about Biden. If she's "repeatedly misled Americans" that should be pretty easy for you to prove.

BTW there's no such thing as "puppet masters" so you may want to reconsider using that phrase in future posts unless you can prove their existence. All I'm interested in is your proof.
So now you call lying being supportive lol.
Funny how you like to play with words unless of course you are talking about Trump.
I don’t want to reconsider anything. I don’t play games nor do I take sides nor am I so naive to not recognize all politicians as lying scumbags.
You can however keep playing this Democrats are angels Republicans are evil all you like.
 

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I am really surprised you have never heard of Metallica. I realize your handle implies you like Jazz, and that's fine, I do too, but one should not be oblivious to other musical genres just as one should not be to their terms entering into the popular lexicon because of the music. As Staedtler correctly identified, it is a song about drug addiction and what it does, but the "party line" has become the heroin of the day.

Perhaps you heard of someone named George Washington? In his farewell address he warned the American people about political parties and partisanship. I would suggest you reread his farewell address but here is a summary:

"Washington continues to advance his idea of the dangers of sectionalism and expands his warning to include the dangers of political parties to the country as a whole. These warnings are given in the context of the recent rise of two opposing parties within the government—the Democratic-Republican Party led by Jefferson, and Hamilton's Federalist Party. Washington had striven to remain neutral during a conflict between Britain and France brought about by the French Revolution, while the Democratic-Republicans had made efforts to align with France, and the Federalists had made efforts to ally with Great Britain.

Washington recognizes that it is natural for people to organize and operate within groups such as political parties, but he also argues that every government has recognized political parties as an enemy and has sought to repress them because of their tendency to seek more power than other groups and to take revenge on political opponents. He feels that disagreements between political parties weakened the government.

Moreover, he makes the case that "the alternate domination" of one party over another and coinciding efforts to exact revenge upon their opponents have led to horrible atrocities, and "is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism." From Washington's perspective and judgment, political parties eventually and "gradually incline the minds of men to seek security… in the absolute power of an individual", leading to despotism. He acknowledges the fact that parties are sometimes beneficial in promoting liberty in monarchies, but he argues that political parties must be restrained in a popularly elected government because of their tendency to distract the government from their duties, create unfounded jealousies among groups and regions, raise false alarms among the people, promote riots and insurrection, and provide foreign nations and interests access to the government where they can impose their will upon the country."
Washington was warning the nation about a potential tyrant like trump and the cult that is MAGA.
 
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So now you call lying being supportive lol.
Funny how you like to play with words unless of course you are talking about Trump.
I don’t want to reconsider anything. I don’t play games nor do I take sides nor am I so naive to not recognize all politicians as lying scumbags.
You can however keep playing this Democrats are angels Republicans are evil all you like.
I don't recall HW Bush saying anything about Reagan's cognitive loss during their 2nd term.

I simply asked you to provide proof of your assertion that Harris lied about Biden. I also questioned your claim there are "puppet masters" (presumably controlling the Dems) and asked that you prove this allegation. I'm interested in proof, not fable or fantasy, so please share your knowledge.
 
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I don't recall HW Bush saying anything about Reagan's cognitive loss during their 2nd term.

I simply asked you to provide proof of your assertion that Harris lied about Biden. I also questioned your claim there are "puppet masters" (presumably controlling the Dems) and asked that you prove this allegation. I'm interested in proof, not fable or fantasy, so please share your knowledge.
Why are you talking about Reagan and Bush who gives a shit.
Why don’t you simply explain why Kamala lied for so long about Biden’s mental capacity or are you really trying to say she was that dumb that she didn’t know.
You are the one making up fables about Kamala.
She was just a good soldier protecting the boss until it was time to throw him to the wolves and replace him, typical of all scumbag politicians.
These are the kind of people you idolize, pretty sad, how is that for proof lol.
 

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As far as I can see, Biden is still acting as President and does the job.
I know you will answer that it is false and he is controlled by Obama like Republican have been saying since 2020 election (without any proofs).
Really, you can’t be serious.
I have no idea who the puppet masters are or if Obama is part of it and I really don’t care,
It doesn’t change the fact that they all knew about Biden’s mental problems and they lied to the people that elected them and let that poor old guy stumble around and make a fool of himself.
These are the kind of scumbags you guys idolize just go right ahead.
They are no better than Trump just wear different colours lol.
 

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Really, you can’t be serious.
I have no idea who the puppet masters are or if Obama is part of it and I really don’t care,
It doesn’t change the fact that they all knew about Biden’s mental problems and they lied to the people that elected them and let that poor old guy stumble around and make a fool of himself.
These are the kind of scumbags you guys idolize just go right ahead.
They are no better than Trump just wear different colours lol.

Speaking of colour, have you seen Trump face these last days ?
He's getting closer and closer to an Halloween pumpkin colour !
 

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Why are you talking about Reagan and Bush who gives a shit.
Why don’t you simply explain why Kamala lied for so long about Biden’s mental capacity or are you really trying to say she was that dumb that she didn’t know.
You are the one making up fables about Kamala.
She was just a good soldier protecting the boss until it was time to throw him to the wolves and replace him, typical of all scumbag politicians.
These are the kind of people you idolize, pretty sad, how is that for proof lol.
Because Reagan was actually cognitively impaired with Alzheimer's during his second term and his VP said nothing to the American people. You claim that Harris has lied about Biden’s cognitive state, but you are unable to prove that 1) he's impaired or 2) that Harris has lied. You offer no actual proof just your beliefs. Why don't we let it go at that and just agree to disagree. And for the record I don't "idolize" anyone, but there are a few people I'd love to have a beer with and a few others I'd cross the street to avoid.
 
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Because Reagan was actually cognitively impaired with Alzheimer's during his second term and his VP said nothing to the American people. You claim that Harris has lied about Biden’s cognitive state, but you are unable to prove that 1) he's impaired or 2) that Harris has lied. You offer no actual proof just your beliefs. Why don't we let it go at that and just agree to disagree. And for the record I don't "idolize" anyone, but there are a few people I'd love to have a beer with and a few others I'd cross the street to avoid.
You are being ridiculous.and you know it.
Biden was stumbling and bumbling for over a year, everyone noticed it except for you.
Was Biden’s total decline during the debate and him being forced out ( yeah he resigned lol) not enough proof for you or do you need different lenses.
Bringing up a dead man like Reagan is something that is of any relevance especially to me. I am the one that acknowledges that all politicians that rise to the top are lying scumbags regardless what colours they represent..
As far as having a beer with any of them, no I could never wash the taste out of my mouth after.
 

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You are being ridiculous.and you know it.
Biden was stumbling and bumbling for over a year, everyone noticed it except for you.
Was Biden’s total decline during the debate and him being forced out ( yeah he resigned lol) not enough proof for you or do you need different lenses.
Bringing up a dead man like Reagan is something that is of any relevance especially to me. I am the one that acknowledges that all politicians that rise to the top are lying scumbags regardless what colours they represent..
As far as having a beer with any of them, no I could never wash the taste out of my mouth after.
There's a significant difference between actual cognitive impairment and the changes, both physically and mentally, that all of us will undergo as we age. It takes a neurologist to make a diagnosis of dementia, so your belief is just that and nothing more. You seem unable or unwilling to recognize that reality, so I see no reason to continue this dialogue.
 
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There's a significant difference between actual cognitive impairment and the changes, both physically and mentally, that all of us will undergo as we age. It takes a neurologist to make a diagnosis of dementia, so your belief is just that and nothing more. You seem unable or unwilling to recognize that reality, so I see no reason to continue this dialogue.
You are right there is no need to persue this.
You have a one track mind far removed from reality with no objectivity whatsoever.
Keep on believing in your scumbag political heroes lol.
We all undergo changes as we age that is true but we are not all the President of the most powerful country in the world and we are definitely not all lying scumbag politicians we just keep electing them lol.
If Biden was mentally capable he would still be running for President or did that little detail escape you.
 
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Washington was warning the nation about a potential tyrant like trump and the cult that is MAGA.

Yesterday I think in a townall, Trump gave an answer that showed almost with certainty that he approved the 2021 Jan 6th insurrection.
And even participated in it. In his answer about the insurrection, he spoke as the insurrectionnists as we and the police officers that protected the Congress as they. He told that we didn't have firearms and they had.
Another proof for Jack Smith accusations !
 
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There's a significant difference between actual cognitive impairment and the changes, both physically and mentally, that all of us will undergo as we age. It takes a neurologist to make a diagnosis of dementia, so your belief is just that and nothing more. You seem unable or unwilling to recognize that reality, so I see no reason to continue this dialogue.
I do not agree with this. I have a close relative who was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia. The entire family noticed changes, not just in his cognitive abilities, but also in his behavior patterns, long before he was formally diagnosed. And these changes went beyond "oh he is getting old." One of the more complex human skills, in terms of applying cognitive ability to it, is driving a car. While simple for the normal functioning human, you begin to notice it with the person whose cognitive abilities have declined due to dementia. One of the biggest clues is forgetting to make turns down roads you have turned down for 50 or more years in a town you have lived in your entire adult life. Another behavioral change was increased paranoia. These are not symptoms you observe in others who are just aging in a normal fashion. The other thing is that the demented person doesn't recognize the loss of that skill. They are oblivious to it.

I observed in Biden many of the things as with the family member. The incoherence. The starting of sentences and inability to complete them in a lucid fashion. My relative has now deteriorated to the point where he starts a sentence, but is unable to finish it and just trails off. I think the thought is forgotten as soon as the first two words come out of his mouth, never to return. It's very sad, as this relative was, in his day, a person of immense cognitive ability and holder of a Ph.D. It's now gone.

Make no mistake. There was a coverup on Biden's dementia. It was a great lie, and a person was used as a puppet for a long period of time. This was a tremendous deception that, while recognized by many citizens, was nonetheless very heinous. It shouldn't have happened and should not be allowed. It should have triggered a congressional investigation.
 
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