Trudeau's Gun Ban

[CLOUD 500]

As we have seen the far-left are all about virtue signalling even if the results prove it is a fail. What I am having a hard time understanding about the handgun ban and the mandatory buyback is the rationalization for it. I have the same basic arguments for the right to gun ownership as other libertarians, and I get that not everyone agrees with it, but the justification for the bans seems lacking in the extreme.

1) New Zealand just issued their own mandatory buyback after a terrorist attack. They had a 10% compliance rate. It put 90% of their guns into the blackmarket, which is where gun crimes come from. It increased criminal access to guns rather than decreased it.

2) Law abiding gun owners are low-risk for violent crime. It is part of getting a firearms license. With a mandatory buyback, the RCMP is taking its resources it could be spending on high-risk individuals and instead focusing them on low-risk individuals. It is preventing the RCMP from doing their jobs properly. Instead of punishing peaceful law abiding citizens it is time that the RCMP crosses on illegal smuggling operations. Get tough on criminals however the Liberals are instead giving softer sentences.

3) The statistics gun control advocates use are extremely selective at best. The advocates will include Japan’s harsh gun control laws and low crime rate, and contrast it with the United States’ permissive gun control laws and relatively high gun violence rate. But they omit Switzerland’s permissive gun laws with a low crime rate, and omit Russia’s restrictive laws accompanied by a violent crime rate three times higher than the United States. It is disingenuous. The differences are due to other external factors like culture and poverty.

It strikes me as little more than what I call as ‘bad guy pro-wrestler’ psychology. Trudeau is intentionally trying to antagonize an audience for his own marketing purposes. He antagonizes gun owners, to get them to do his marketing for him. They will go online and make posts that scare inner city white people, and run into the loving arms of Justin Trudeau. He does ‘bad guy pro-wrestler’ psychology on COVID vaccines, on abortion, where he can accomplish nothing but wants votes on these issues anyways. If this were anything other than a political move, he would not be adopting the policies New Zealand just implemented when they failed. He is dividing the country for political purposes.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Great article that aligns with my way of thinking.

AGAR: Trudeau fools his minions and hurts legal gun owners

Spend a few minutes on Twitter and you will find many of your fellow Canadians struggle with basic logic.

torontosun.com

 

[Womaniser]

Great article that aligns with my way of thinking.

AGAR: Trudeau fools his minions and hurts legal gun owners

Spend a few minutes on Twitter and you will find many of your fellow Canadians struggle with basic logic.

torontosun.com

I noticed that recent murders with firearms are made on criminals and mafia members.
More domestic crimes are made with knives and other means.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I have no problem with the gun ban.

 

[Womaniser]

I have no problem with the gun ban.

I would have no problem with life prison sentences for drugs trafiquants.
Drug overdoses kill much more Canadians than guns.
A great part of gun killings is among Street Gangs or organiazed crime members.
The very vast majority of Law abiding gun owners respect laws.

 

[neverbored]

I think the gun control regulations they are trying to do is just a waste of time and and money.
It won't do anything against illegal guns which is known to be the primary source killing people on the street.
Mass shooters are fucked in the head. If someone doesn't have guns, he will make bombs or poison... then what? Ban cleaning products?

Perhaps regulate the sale of ammunition including gun powder and make it illegal to have ammo outside the gun range, purchasable only during hunting season in whatever zone you have a licence for and purchasable within x km from it.
Then make it a stronger criminal offense to give the tools to LE to prosecute street gang members...

 

[neverbored]

 

[Womaniser]

I think the gun control regulations they are trying to do is just a waste of time and and money.
It won't do anything against illegal guns which is known to be the primary source killing people on the street.
Mass shooters are fucked in the head. If someone doesn't have guns, he will make bombs or poison... then what? Ban cleaning products?

Perhaps regulate the sale of ammunition including gun powder and make it illegal to have ammo outside the gun range, purchasable only during hunting season in whatever zone you have a licence for and purchasable within x km from it.
Then make it a stronger criminal offense to give the tools to LE to prosecute street gang members...

Considering the sale and possession of ammo, you evidently don't know many sport or target shooters.
Serious target shooters buy specific ammo or reload their ammo.
I am member at a popular shooting range where no rifle ammo is sold.
For hunters it is almost impossible for a shooting range to keep in stock all the rifle calbers in stock with all the different option available.

 

[Womaniser]

As we have seen the far-left are all about virtue signalling even if the results prove it is a fail. What I am having a hard time understanding about the handgun ban and the mandatory buyback is the rationalization for it. I have the same basic arguments for the right to gun ownership as other libertarians, and I get that not everyone agrees with it, but the justification for the bans seems lacking in the extreme.

1) New Zealand just issued their own mandatory buyback after a terrorist attack. They had a 10% compliance rate. It put 90% of their guns into the blackmarket, which is where gun crimes come from. It increased criminal access to guns rather than decreased it.

2) Law abiding gun owners are low-risk for violent crime. It is part of getting a firearms license. With a mandatory buyback, the RCMP is taking its resources it could be spending on high-risk individuals and instead focusing them on low-risk individuals. It is preventing the RCMP from doing their jobs properly. Instead of punishing peaceful law abiding citizens it is time that the RCMP crosses on illegal smuggling operations. Get tough on criminals however the Liberals are instead giving softer sentences.

3) The statistics gun control advocates use are extremely selective at best. The advocates will include Japan’s harsh gun control laws and low crime rate, and contrast it with the United States’ permissive gun control laws and relatively high gun violence rate. But they omit Switzerland’s permissive gun laws with a low crime rate, and omit Russia’s restrictive laws accompanied by a violent crime rate three times higher than the United States. It is disingenuous. The differences are due to other external factors like culture and poverty.

It strikes me as little more than what I call as ‘bad guy pro-wrestler’ psychology. Trudeau is intentionally trying to antagonize an audience for his own marketing purposes. He antagonizes gun owners, to get them to do his marketing for him. They will go online and make posts that scare inner city white people, and run into the loving arms of Justin Trudeau. He does ‘bad guy pro-wrestler’ psychology on COVID vaccines, on abortion, where he can accomplish nothing but wants votes on these issues anyways. If this were anything other than a political move, he would not be adopting the policies New Zealand just implemented when they failed. He is dividing the country for political purposes.

He put very recently a close to 400 pages amendment just before the final vote on Bill C21.
In it there are a lot of rifles and shotguns looking like assault weapons. Semi-auto rifles with 5 rounds magazine capacity or non detachable magazines.
Very high value collection two barrels shotguns, 22 rimfire rifles.
By the way, the Portapic Nova-Scotia murderer (22 deaths) used weapons obtained illegally from Maine USA if I remember.

 

[Womaniser]

He put very recently a close to 400 pages amendment just before the final vote on Bill C21.
In it there are a lot of rifles and shotguns looking like assault weapons. Semi-auto rifles with 5 rounds magazine capacity or non detachable magazines.
Very high value collection two barrels shotguns, 22 rimfire rifles.
By the way, the Portapic Nova-Scotia murderer (22 deaths) used weapons obtained illegally from Maine USA if I remember.

It's not going very well for the coup attempt on honest Canadian firearms owners.
NPD party might not support the Liberals as Some First Nations from BC too.

 

[Cruiser777]

I would have no problem with life prison sentences for drugs trafiquants.
Drug overdoses kill much more Canadians than guns.
A great part of gun killings is among Street Gangs or organiazed crime members.
The very vast majority of Law abiding gun owners respect laws.

First of all, I agree with the gun ban, Trudeau is right, no military style firearms/ assult rifles, hand guns should be in the hands of the public
that has nothing to do with military or law enforcement. (People like guns, join the army)(Or move to US). And like some idiots like Carey Price going around
bitching not knowing the difference of hunting rifles *Which are not banned" and military style ones.

Also, Why are we mixing up drugs and firearms ???
I don't give a shit if someone knowingly taking an illegal drug, getting ODed and then whatever is happening, he is NOT
doing any harm to anybody else unlike a firearm, that your taking public transit, having a drink on a terrace or doing your
daily routine and then BOOOOOM, people get shot for jusy being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I also agree that this ban won't solve every problem, criminals and gangs will always get their guns, which in this case
I blame all the governments (Way before Trudeau), immigration departments for bringing in people that they shouldn't have.

 

[Cruiser777]

'I am not a criminal': Habs goalie Carey Price speaks against controversial firearms bill

Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price has taken a stance against Ottawa's controversial Bill C-21, which would refine the definition of prohibited assault-style firearms -- drawing the ire of Canadian hunters who say the definition would outlaw weapons used within their practice. Meanwhile, the...

montreal.ctvnews.ca

And again, this idiot

Not knowing that hunting rifles like the one he is holding are not banned.

If I was his family, neighbor or whatever people this guy is talking about, would be very very scared and worried
knowing this a guy into alcohol and drugs abuse to a point that he would enter into rehab / treatment institutions,
to a point to fuck up his NHL career...Not that he was that good.

Knowing his situation, his license should have been revoked by the government.

 

[Womaniser]

First of all, I agree with the gun ban, Trudeau is right, no military style firearms/ assult rifles, hand guns should be in the hands of the public
that has nothing to do with military or law enforcement. (People like guns, join the army)(Or move to US). And like some idiots like Carey Price going around
bitching not knowing the difference of hunting rifles *Which are not banned" and military style ones.

Also, Why are we mixing up drugs and firearms ???
I don't give a shit if someone knowingly taking an illegal drug, getting ODed and then whatever is happening, he is NOT
doing any harm to anybody else unlike a firearm, that your taking public transit, having a drink on a terrace or doing your
daily routine and then BOOOOOM, people get shot for jusy being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I also agree that this ban won't solve every problem, criminals and gangs will always get their guns, which in this case
I blame all the governments (Way before Trudeau), immigration departments for bringing in people that they shouldn't have.

Sorry but what you described happen in USA.
The man that was shot at a restaurant was a criminal and no one else was injured. Same thing for the other man at Rockland Center.
Those who take drugs, legal or illegal and drive and kill other drivers are OK ?

 

[Womaniser]

'I am not a criminal': Habs goalie Carey Price speaks against controversial firearms bill

Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price has taken a stance against Ottawa's controversial Bill C-21, which would refine the definition of prohibited assault-style firearms -- drawing the ire of Canadian hunters who say the definition would outlaw weapons used within their practice. Meanwhile, the...

montreal.ctvnews.ca

And again, this idiot

Not knowing that hunting rifles like the one he is holding are not banned.

If I was his family, neighbor or whatever people this guy is talking about, would be very very scared and worried
knowing this a guy into alcohol and drugs abuse to a point that he would enter into rehab / treatment institutions,
to a point to fuck up his NHL career...Not that he was that good.

Knowing his situation, his license should have been revoked by the government.
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So, you think he has consulted the 400 pages with numerous firearms on each page ?
By the way, the Assembly of First Nations took position against Bill C21.
Minister Mendicino always give the same answer to question at the House of Commons.
He target AR-15 type rifles that were banned in May 2020.
He target the SKS semi-auto rifle that has a 5 rounds FIXED magazine
Very powerful weapons have been banned in 2020 along mortars.
Have you ever seen someone on
the streets with mortars ?
Or heard of mass shooting with .50 BMG rifles ?
The last mass murders has been made with a knife by a Cree in Saskatchewan. 12 deaths and 18 wounded.
In Toronto on April 23 2018, a, delivery van (Chevrolet Express) was used to kill 8 women and 2 men, and wouding 16 others.
The motivation of the driver was that he had trouble finding women to have sex.
Should Trudeau ban knives and delivery vans ?

 

[Cruiser777]

... unlike a firearm, that your taking public transit, having a drink on a terrace or doing your
daily routine and then BOOOOOM, people get shot for just being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

A 73-year-old condo shooter went from unit to unit in his own building in Maple, Ont.: sources (msn.com)

I guess I have to modify my comments by adding that.... at your Condo, right place, right time....
then BOOOOOOOM you get shot in your own home for God's sake....

 

[Womaniser]

A 73-year-old condo shooter went from unit to unit in his own building in Maple, Ont.: sources (msn.com)

I guess I have to modify my comments by adding that.... at your Condo, right place, right time....
then BOOOOOOOM you get shot in your own home for God's sake....

It is a terrible act perhaps preventable.
If he posed threaths for others, did he legally owned a handgun or did he acquired it illegally ?
It's quite easy in Toronto and everywhere in Canada.
Trudeau guns ban is a little band-aid on a leg amputation.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

It is a terrible act perhaps preventable.
If he posed threaths for others, did he legally owned a handgun or did he acquired it illegally ?
It's quite easy in Toronto and everywhere in Canada.
Trudeau guns ban is a little band-aid on a leg amputation.

The only way Trudeau's ban will prevent tragedies like this are if his ban is even more draconian. And much like in the US, there is no political appetite for a society where guns are extremely restricted. There was already pro-gun pushback from the gun restrictions Trudeau proposed. For Trudeau to go after handguns, which like in the U. S. are the primary gun violence instruments, would be a no-go.

The conservatives in Canada (and the U.S.) may feign grief, but for them these sorts of tragedies are just a price to pay for them to keep their gun hobby. Unless guns are extremely restricted, tragedies like this will always happen.

I fully concede that the logistics of trying to curb a majority of guns already in circulation in Canada (to say nothing of the U.S.) would be extremely difficult. But that's a moot point because there is no desire among politicians in either country to go that far.

 

[Womaniser]

The only way Trudeau's ban will prevent tragedies like this are if his ban is even more draconian. And much like in the US, there is no political appetite for a society where guns are extremely restricted. There was already pro-gun pushback from the gun restrictions Trudeau proposed. For Trudeau to go after handguns, which like in the U. S. are the primary gun violence instruments, would be a no-go.

The conservatives in Canada (and the U.S.) may feign grief, but for them these sorts of tragedies are just a price to pay for them to keep their gun hobby. Unless guns are extremely restricted, tragedies like this will always happen.

I fully concede that the logistics of trying to curb a majority of guns already in circulation in Canada (to say nothing of the U.S.) would be extremely difficult. But that's a moot point because there is no desire among politicians in either country to go that far.

As long as Canada will be USA neighbor, there are no handguns ban law that will make a difference.
If you believe otherwise, you don't live on the same planet that I do !

 

[CLOUD 500]

@Jazzman1218

8 teen girls charged in swarming a 59 yr old man in Toronto and stabbing him. Only if this man had the right to bear arms he could have had a chance to defend himself. Some of the girls were as young as 13. The young offenders act should be abolished and these girls tried as adults in first degree murder. Trudeau's gun ban is nothing but virtue signalling and political hijacking. Ppl who want to kill will do it whatever way they want as in this case. What gun bans do is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves. The same case could be made in Francesco Villi of Vaughan who shot condo board members, only if they were armed they could have had a fighting chance. The left are so seperated from reality that I pity them.

8 teen girls charged in ‘swarming’ murder of 59-year-old man in downtown Toronto: police | Globalnews.ca

Eight teen girls have been charged with second-degree murder after a 59-year-old man was stabbed to death in downtown Toronto last weekend, police say.

globalnews.ca

 

[CLOUD 500]

Two suspects have been charged with the first degree murder of rookie OPP officer Const. Grzegorz Pierzchala. Randall McKenzie, 25 and Brandi Crystal Lyn Stewart-Sperry, 30 are the ones charged. The officer was responding to a vehicle in a ditch. Trudeau's gun ban is working so well? Many idiots still believe Trudumb is helping. McKenzie should have never been out on the streets, he already has a lengthy criminal record for firearms offenses. He was restricted from having a firearm since he was already charged with firearms related offenses and for assaulting a peace officer. He had a unlicensed firearm that had its serial number stripped off. The woke left go easy on criminals but go hard on law abiding citizens. He is the reason why McKenzie was released on bail, direct quote from article. More silly woke bs:

The document says McKenzie has experienced the negative impacts of colonialism.
“Your biological parents struggled with alcohol and were neglectful,” it reads.
“You believe your adopted grandfather may have attended residential school ... You have suffered abuse, experienced addiction and have been disconnected from your family and cultural community. These losses and negative experiences are likely linked to your offending.”

He is a native, so there is some Supreme Court Act that says that native criminals get a huge break when it comes to sentencing. That is why McKenzie was released on bail when he should never been and an officer lost his life for something that was preventable. Here I found the info on the government website:

Addressing Overrepresentation - Research and Statistics Division - Overrepresentation of Indigenous People in the Canadian Criminal Justice System: Causes and Responses

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

Not to mention how the Liberals removed mandatory sentencing for many criminal offenses including firearms offenses but lets ban guns and bust on law abiding citizens. I am surprised at how many continue to support Trudumb.

Two suspects charged with first-degree murder in shooting of OPP officer

Const. Grzegorz Pierzchala, who was described as a ‘gentle man’ and a ‘quiet leader’, had just learned he’d passed his probation for his dream job. One of the people accused of murdering him was out on bail on assault charges at the time, reports The Hamilton Spectator.

www.thestar.com

RIP Grzegorz Pierzchala.