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I don't know about that.

We have the same issues here with the cartels and agents of the Chinese, Russian and Iranian regimes. This whole mess with the US started when Trudeau refused to take action against exactly what Trump went after in Venezuela, happening here in Canada and still ongoing, with no apparent consequences.

This is what set Trump off on Canada. It was never addressed and totally ignored by Trudeau.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/td-bank-penalties-1.7348819
Trump needs to send a Delta Force squad for Trudeau.
 

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Seeing every leftist crying about him being removed from power… then seeing every single Venezuelan crying tears of joy and celebrating.

Eye opening as fuck.
If a foreign leader were to launch a coup on the States and take out Trump, a bunch of Americans would probably cheer. You're treating "every single Venezuelan" as a monolith but distinguishing between leftist/right wing Americans/Canadians.

I think it's rich for pro-intervention people here to call him a dictator starving his own people when the U.S. has been sanctioning Venezuela and even confiscating its trade with other countries it doesn't like...reeks of crocodile tears. In my eyes this is just mafia-style dick-waving by the American elites and it's cringe to see people cheer it on (not you, I'm talking about SOME, not all, MAGA people) like it's a W for anyone besides war profiteers.
 
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Trump capturing Maduro is bad news for Canada. It will hurt Canada's economy. A US friendly president will be installed and the US will lift sanctions from Venezuela. Then crude oil will go from Venezuela to the US. This means that Canada's primary customer for crude oil will now have a cheaper option available, oil from Venezuela. They will now have access to the largest oil reserves in the world. Now because we had an moron like Trudeau and another idiot like Biden more concerned with his wacko far-left woke ideology, the keystone pipeline xl was never expanded to Asia and Europe and USA will cost us a lot. Trump wanted keystone XL, but now Trump has a better option that is bigger, better, and cheaper then Canada crude oil. This was the key leverage Canada has on CUSMA, the US dependency on our oil but now it is gone because Carney was following Trudeau's agenda and taking too long. Trump knew that Canada will never supply the US the quantities of oil they need so they now they will diversify. Trump is doing the same thing that he told Germany that they had too much dependency on Russian natural gas. The US had too much dependency on Canadian crude oil, Venezuela has has the same type of crude oil that Canada has except in much larger quantities. This will be catastrophic for Canada and Carney, Trump wanted Venezuela's oil, nothing else. Trump rather diversify to Venezuela then invest in Canada. Oil is more valuable then gold. What a big failure by the Liberals.
 

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One thing you guys are missing is that tons of money needs to be invested in updating the oil harvesting infrastructure in Venezuela before its heavy crude oil, which needs to be heavily refined, is exportable and usable. Trump is counting on American oil companies to invest that money but there has not been a resounding response to that call.
Sitting on large oil reserves, and actually being able to use them, are 2 different things. Venezuela's actual oil production was meager, because of its outdated and inferior oil harvesting infrastructure. So that step still needs to happen. However, it is clear that Maduro's removal was a positive in the sense that these vast oil reserves were being sat on and wasted and Venezuelans were getting no money out of the vast reserves. That can now change.
 
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There is also one other small problem, which is that Maduro's loyalists are still in charge of the country. Like your wild, barking dogs that have been aroused by the presence of strangers, they need to be brought under control. The released images of the blindfolded, handcuffed Maduro are apparently designed to arouse the obedience of these dogs. We will need to see what happens.
 

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There is also one other small problem, which is that Maduro's loyalists are still in charge of the country. Like your wild, barking dogs that have been aroused by the presence of strangers, they need to be brought under control. The released images of the blindfolded, handcuffed Maduro are apparently designed to arouse the obedience of these dogs. We will need to see what happens.
So what? Americans are used to let criminals in charge after they raid a country. Not good at transition! #afghanistan
 

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The action with Maduro is NOT unprecedented. The USA did the exact same thing with this guy back in 1990- Manuel Noriega of Panama- and he spent 20 years in US prisons after accepting bribes to allow drug trafficking to the USA, so Maduro had fair warning of the precedent:
Panama has had democratically elected leaders since Noriega's removal, which was a positive for everyone except Noriega.
 
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Trump capturing Maduro is bad news for Canada. It will hurt Canada's economy. A US friendly president will be installed and the US will lift sanctions from Venezuela. Then crude oil will go from Venezuela to the US. This means that Canada's primary customer for crude oil will now have a cheaper option available, oil from Venezuela. They will now have access to the largest oil reserves in the world. Now because we had an moron like Trudeau and another idiot like Biden more concerned with his wacko far-left woke ideology, the keystone pipeline xl was never expanded to Asia and Europe and USA will cost us a lot. Trump wanted keystone XL, but now Trump has a better option that is bigger, better, and cheaper then Canada crude oil. This was the key leverage Canada has on CUSMA, the US dependency on our oil but now it is gone because Carney was following Trudeau's agenda and taking too long. Trump knew that Canada will never supply the US the quantities of oil they need so they now they will diversify. Trump is doing the same thing that he told Germany that they had too much dependency on Russian natural gas. The US had too much dependency on Canadian crude oil, Venezuela has has the same type of crude oil that Canada has except in much larger quantities. This will be catastrophic for Canada and Carney, Trump wanted Venezuela's oil, nothing else. Trump rather diversify to Venezuela then invest in Canada. Oil is more valuable then gold. What a big failure by the Liberals.

How this point hasn't been talked about more here is baffling. It won't be an overnight thing - it would be years down the road.... but that doesn't make it any less real.
 
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One thing you guys are missing is that tons of money needs to be invested in updating the oil harvesting infrastructure in Venezuela before its heavy crude oil, which needs to be heavily refined, is exportable and usable. Trump is counting on American oil companies to invest that money but there has not been a resounding response to that call.
Sitting on large oil reserves, and actually being able to use them, are 2 different things. Venezuela's actual oil production was meager, because of its outdated and inferior oil harvesting infrastructure. So that step still needs to happen. However, it is clear that Maduro's removal was a positive in the sense that these vast oil reserves were being sat on and wasted and Venezuelans were getting no money out of the vast reserves. That can now change.
this x100000

It will take years before this could potentially impact Canadians oil industry, meanwhile you have fucktards like PP cheering on from the sidelines Trumps methods for removal of Maduro which in fact are illegal, and he didnt get congress approval.

Lets call it how it is, Maduro was/is a bad person, but to create a narrative that his a drug king pin without any clear cut evidence (keep in mind them releasing a drug lord last month lol), and clear cut saying "thats our oil."

It sets a horrible example at a world stage in terms of, if we want it, we can have it.

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It will take years before this could potentially impact Canadians oil industry, meanwhile you have fucktards like PP cheering on from the sidelines Trumps methods for removal of Maduro which in fact are illegal, and he didnt get congress approval.

Lets call it how it is, Maduro was/is a bad person, but to create a narrative that his a drug king pin without any clear cut evidence (keep in mind them releasing a drug lord last month lol), and clear cut saying "thats our oil."

It sets a horrible example at a world stage in terms of, if we want it, we can have it.

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The Venezuelans living in Montreal were also cheering for the removal of Maduro. Ask them what they think.
 

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this x100000

It will take years before this could potentially impact Canadians oil industry, meanwhile you have fucktards like PP cheering on from the sidelines Trumps methods for removal of Maduro which in fact are illegal, and he didnt get congress approval.

Lets call it how it is, Maduro was/is a bad person, but to create a narrative that his a drug king pin without any clear cut evidence (keep in mind them releasing a drug lord last month lol), and clear cut saying "thats our oil."

It sets a horrible example at a world stage in terms of, if we want it, we can have it.

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That is the sphere of influence the Americans want to have control over. They want that sphere of influence because of weak policy decisions that were made in Latin and South America by previous US administrations. Moreover, the same goes for the north and Canada and the poor policy decisions and actions we have implemented, or failed to implement.

In Canada, when I studied at university, I learned that the most important thing that Canada needed to do was to secure the northern waters and build a deep-sea port in the north that would enable us to patrol the waters with submarines. Why? Because back then, 25 years ago, the waters were already being invaded by Russian, US and Chinese submarines. We as a nation did nothing about this and continue to do nothing about this. The Americans warned us that they were patrolling our waters and that there were Russian and Chinese subs doing the same. They suggested that we get our act together, but no action was taken.

We have allowed, for example, the Port of Vancouver, a major port with Asia as a main client, to be controlled by the Triad gangs and Iranian and Cartel influences. Even though the government and authorities in Canada are well aware of this, no action has been taken.

Wake up, Canadians, if you want to have a sovereign country moving forward without the Americans breathing down our necks and imposing Manifest Destiny on us, we need to make hard public policy decisions and act upon them immediately.
If we fail to do so, it will be our demise as a nation.
 

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That is the sphere of influence the Americans want to have control over. They want that sphere of influence because of weak policy decisions that were made in Latin and South America by previous US administrations. Moreover, the same goes for the north and Canada and the poor policy decisions and actions we have implemented, or failed to implement.

In Canada, when I studied at university, I learned that the most important thing that Canada needed to do was to secure the northern waters and build a deep-sea port in the north that would enable us to patrol the waters with submarines. Why? Because back then, 25 years ago, the waters were already being invaded by Russian, US and Chinese submarines. We as a nation did nothing about this and continue to do nothing about this. The Americans warned us that they were patrolling our waters and that there were Russian and Chinese subs doing the same. They suggested that we get our act together, but no action was taken.

We have allowed, for example, the Port of Vancouver, a major port with Asia as a main client, to be controlled by the Triad gangs and Iranian and Cartel influences. Even though the government and authorities in Canada are well aware of this, no action has been taken.

Wake up, Canadians, if you want to have a sovereign country moving forward without the Americans breathing down our necks and imposing Manifest Destiny on us, we need to make hard public policy decisions and act upon them immediately.
If we fail to do so, it will be our demise as a nation.

lol ok if this is the case, why cant a super power like the United States cant seem to manage drug/migrant surges from Mexico alone?

You're using the Port of Vancouver as a example... buddy the Port of Montreal has been controlled by gangs since the get go.

You're making it seem like this is new lol crime syndicates have always been around,
The Venezuelans living in Montreal were also cheering for the removal of Maduro. Ask them what they think.

You're missing the point entirely
 
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That is the sphere of influence the Americans want to have control over. They want that sphere of influence because of weak policy decisions that were made in Latin and South America by previous US administrations. Moreover, the same goes for the north and Canada and the poor policy decisions and actions we have implemented, or failed to implement.

In Canada, when I studied at university, I learned that the most important thing that Canada needed to do was to secure the northern waters and build a deep-sea port in the north that would enable us to patrol the waters with submarines. Why? Because back then, 25 years ago, the waters were already being invaded by Russian, US and Chinese submarines. We as a nation did nothing about this and continue to do nothing about this. The Americans warned us that they were patrolling our waters and that there were Russian and Chinese subs doing the same. They suggested that we get our act together, but no action was taken.

We have allowed, for example, the Port of Vancouver, a major port with Asia as a main client, to be controlled by the Triad gangs and Iranian and Cartel influences. Even though the government and authorities in Canada are well aware of this, no action has been taken.

Wake up, Canadians, if you want to have a sovereign country moving forward without the Americans breathing down our necks and imposing Manifest Destiny on us, we need to make hard public policy decisions and act upon them immediately.
If we fail to do so, it will be our demise as a nation.
In other words, the Monroe Doctrine or in Trump's words... the "Donroe" Doctrine. Lol. Donroe..short for Donald, get it?? Lol.. Donald Doctrine
 
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lol ok if this is the case, why cant a super power like the United States cant seem to manage drug/migrant surges from Mexico alone?

You're using the Port of Vancouver as a example... buddy the Port of Montreal has been controlled by gangs since the get go.

You're making it seem like this is new lol crime syndicates have always been around,


You're missing the point entirely
I am not missing the point; hard public policy decisions need to be made by Canadians and action taken immediately. That is my point.
 
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Trump capturing Maduro is bad news for Canada. It will hurt Canada's economy. A US friendly president will be installed and the US will lift sanctions from Venezuela. Then crude oil will go from Venezuela to the US. This means that Canada's primary customer for crude oil will now have a cheaper option available, oil from Venezuela. They will now have access to the largest oil reserves in the world. Now because we had an moron like Trudeau and another idiot like Biden more concerned with his wacko far-left woke ideology, the keystone pipeline xl was never expanded to Asia and Europe and USA will cost us a lot. Trump wanted keystone XL, but now Trump has a better option that is bigger, better, and cheaper then Canada crude oil. This was the key leverage Canada has on CUSMA, the US dependency on our oil but now it is gone because Carney was following Trudeau's agenda and taking too long. Trump knew that Canada will never supply the US the quantities of oil they need so they now they will diversify. Trump is doing the same thing that he told Germany that they had too much dependency on Russian natural gas. The US had too much dependency on Canadian crude oil, Venezuela has has the same type of crude oil that Canada has except in much larger quantities. This will be catastrophic for Canada and Carney, Trump wanted Venezuela's oil, nothing else. Trump rather diversify to Venezuela then invest in Canada. Oil is more valuable then gold. What a big failure by the Liberals.
Omg! omg! Our "Dear leader" Mark Carney needs to do something!!! Lol
#elbowsup
 

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It’s funny how others often seem to know more about what people are going through than the people actually experiencing it like “let me tell you about your country” lmaooooo. These people were starved and got their life savings robbed under maduro and chavez. Trampled to death in peaceful protests. Loss of freedom of speech. They’re now free - yet the left needs to shit on that as well.

I’m telling you, if Trump found the cure for cancer, people would still find a way to complain. I just wish they’d release the Epstein files properly, but whatever. Of course, I’ll side with a politician who shows common sense over progressive policies - yet people can’t seem to get past hating him no matter what good he does.



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Trump capturing Maduro is bad news for Canada. It will hurt Canada's economy. A US friendly president will be installed and the US will lift sanctions from Venezuela. Then crude oil will go from Venezuela to the US. This means that Canada's primary customer for crude oil will now have a cheaper option available, oil from Venezuela. They will now have access to the largest oil reserves in the world. Now because we had an moron like Trudeau and another idiot like Biden more concerned with his wacko far-left woke ideology, the keystone pipeline xl was never expanded to Asia and Europe and USA will cost us a lot. Trump wanted keystone XL, but now Trump has a better option that is bigger, better, and cheaper then Canada crude oil. This was the key leverage Canada has on CUSMA, the US dependency on our oil but now it is gone because Carney was following Trudeau's agenda and taking too long. Trump knew that Canada will never supply the US the quantities of oil they need so they now they will diversify. Trump is doing the same thing that he told Germany that they had too much dependency on Russian natural gas. The US had too much dependency on Canadian crude oil, Venezuela has has the same type of crude oil that Canada has except in much larger quantities. This will be catastrophic for Canada and Carney, Trump wanted Venezuela's oil, nothing else. Trump rather diversify to Venezuela then invest in Canada. Oil is more valuable then gold. What a big failure by the Liberals.
Absolutely.
It’s good news for the Venezuelans but bad for our economy.
 
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