Trump beats the drums of war for direct action in Venezuela
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How U.S Delta Force Raid Captured Maduro:
It's great to see that all that U.S. military hardware actually works and that American forces really know how to execute a complex, dangerous mission.Also executed with minimal bloodshed. It sends a message to the Iranian leaders that they can be next if they continue their misbehaviors.
They haven't misbehaved. They may not agree with US Policy, but they haven't misbehaved. The Iranian leadership, on the other hand, has misbehaved both domestically and in their foreign policy and nuclear program. Which is why the U.S. had to go in and disarm them, and may need to do so again. Keep in mind that this is for your protection as well, even though you, unlike US taxpayers, aren't paying for it (a subject for another thread).
On that note I see a lot of hypocrisy from certain posters who in other threads have demanded that U.S. act as "world policeman" in other parts of the world, even though said hypocrites are Canadians who don't pay a cent in taxes to support the US military and need to shut their mouths. Now of course the USA, at its own significant expense, has acted as "world policeman" and eliminated a bogeyman (much like the characters in Stranger Things eliminated Vecna), to the applause of much of the world and from many Venezuelans.
It's possibly true that there are legal issues in undertaking this action, but my feeling is that if Congressional approval was sought for this action, it almost certainly would have been obtained (Congressional leadership has been silent and if they are not being critical of the action, nobody else should be). So it may be a no harm, no foul situation, like in hockey when two players collide scrambling for a loose puck. There is no penalty.
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Rubio says US not at war with Venezuela, as Maduro set to appear in New York court on Monday - live updates
The secretary of state says the US will retain "multiple levers of leverage" if Venezuela's leaders don't "make the right decisions".
www.bbc.com
"Mr. Maduro in late December rejected an ultimatum from President Trump to leave office and go into a gilded exile in Turkey, according to several Americans and Venezuelans involved in transition talks.
This week he was back onstage, brushing off the latest U.S. escalation — a strike on a dock that the United States said was used for drug trafficking — by bouncing to an electronic beat on state television while his recorded voice repeated in English, “No crazy war.”
Mr. Maduro’s regular public dancing and other displays of nonchalance in recent weeks helped persuade some on the Trump team that the Venezuelan president was mocking them and trying to call what he believed to be a bluff, according to two of the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the confidential discussions.
So the White House decided to follow through on its military threats."
This week he was back onstage, brushing off the latest U.S. escalation — a strike on a dock that the United States said was used for drug trafficking — by bouncing to an electronic beat on state television while his recorded voice repeated in English, “No crazy war.”
Mr. Maduro’s regular public dancing and other displays of nonchalance in recent weeks helped persuade some on the Trump team that the Venezuelan president was mocking them and trying to call what he believed to be a bluff, according to two of the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the confidential discussions.
So the White House decided to follow through on its military threats."
You would make a great add man for the US lol. I am not particularly fond of US flag waivers.
What you fail to say is that the US does this all for it’s own selfish purposes.
They don’t give a fuck about Canadians or any other country for that matter.
They often stick their nose where it doesn’t belong and Trump is an egotistical asshole and a sorry excuse for a human being even if I still believe he is a slight improvement over Biden.
Now what he did in Venezuela maybe great for its population but it was not the reason, it was all about oil, nothing else.
Yes we are lucky to be the next door neighbour of the US because it has no choice but to protect Canada if a real threat arises and that is not because they care about Canada but because not doing so would be the worst direct security threat to them.
Doesn't any country's leadership have a duty to act in the best interests of its citizens? How is this "selfish", if it's a mandate that is perceived by a democratically elected leader and his staff?
I expect the leadership of my country to act in the best interests of its citizens. However, when the dual objective of also acting in the best interests of other countries' citizens is also achieved, and they are not paying for it, that's a fairly laudable thing, is it not? It's called a gratuitous military action that is protecting you, for free, since you aren't paying taxes for the protection. I am calling it for what it is- not waving any flags.
Who's the arbiter of what constitutes "misbehaving"? is it the U.S. state department, with its impeccable track record ?
If you think this attack on Venezuela was in the interests of the American people, I have a bridge to sell you. theres a million, common-sense things the US (and canadian) govts could do domestically that would benefit their people far more than thie attack on Venezuela.
Disclaimer: The below quote is from a Vietbamese propaganda account who dislikes America but I have to give them credit - they objectively explained what's going on imo:
"When a country can’t fix its own poverty, homelessness, or collapsing middle class, it redirects that rage outward.
War becomes a pressure valve, a way to manufacture unity through fear and nationalism.
The U.S. doesn’t attack because it’s strong. It attacks because its internal contradictions are too big to solve, and it needs an enemy to stop its own system from imploding.
But exporting anger doesn’t change reality. Only Americans still living under the “kill line” know how little war actually fixes."
This is absurd. There was no war. There was an arrest and a bloodless removal. Of someone whose misbehavior warranted it. I think you are confused about foreign policy.
If it's so terrible to live in the USA how come we literally cannot keep illegal immigrants out? They are coming here to flee their own country and have "poverty and homelessness and a collapsing middle class"? Most illegal immigrants that I know (and I have more than a few as clients) are doing pretty well and have no desire to leave or go back where they came from, including Vietnam. Your post is nonsense from a nonsense source.
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point is its terrible compared to how it used to be for a first world country. its still better than any 3rd world country.
Was it completely bloodless? well find out in the upcoming weeks.
Im seeing info that suggests (1) several deaths of people near the kidnapping site (2) that Maduro willingly gave himself up as a face saving exercise for the US in exchange for leaving certain people from his govt in charge.
This is a dynamic situation. to say "hey it was a bloodless operation its all good now" 24 hours after it took place is silly.
Next will be Groenland and after CANADA !
Don't doubt it !
Do you think Trump took out Maduro for the good of Valenzuela people ?
If you think that, you certainly believe in LICORNES !
Not true. Read the NY Times article I posted above. Trump offered Maduro a "gilded exile" in Turkey. He refused and mocked Trump- trying to call his bluff. He learned the hard way that he should be kicking it on a beach in Turkey, spending all the bribe money he earned from drug traffickers so they could funnel illegal drugs into the USA and Canada. Now, however, he will have to spend that money on expensive, $1000 an hour NYC criminal defense attorneys.
Maduro was dragged out of his bed, forcibly, by Deltas. The time for negotiation was over.
Trump Administration determined Delcy Rodriguez can be left in charge because she is competent and will work behind the scenes with them. Supposedly she is savvy on the oil infrastructures. The opposition leader tried to kiss Trump ass but was rejected because she has zero credibility with Venezuelans.
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In case you dont know, Trudeau isn't Canada's premier Minister since the the end of 2004 ! Perhaps except in your head !
It is not return of ages old principle: “The might is right”. It has never been abandoned. This is just doing it overtly without any camouflage of a hypocritical cover.
