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I vote for removing the privilege to vote from people who make statements like this.......:der:

Maybe youre right, maybe not. I know it sound completely absurd and anti-democratic, but the idea is not that crazy in the context of the Brexit vote.

Beside if you look at our current demography, there will be much more old people than younger working class people pretty soon in america (well at least in Canada, not sure about USA's trend but my guess is that it's about the same). Since 2013, the 55 to 64 years started to exceed the number of persons aged 15 to 24 years... Meaning that in just about 10 year or so retired people will control the destiny of the working class.

Ok now is time for my bike ride, and yes Smuler I will put on my helmet this time ;)

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Maybe youre right, maybe not. I know it sound completely absurd and anti-democratic, but the idea is not that crazy in the context of the Brexit vote.

Beside if you look at our current demography, there will be much more old people than younger working class people pretty soon in america (well at least in Canada, not sure about USA's trend but my guess is that it's about the same). Since 2013, the 55 to 64 years started to exceed the number of persons aged 15 to 24 years... Meaning that in just about 10 year or so retired people will control the destiny of the working class.

Ok now is time for my bike ride, and yes Smuler I will put on my helmet this time ;)

Cheers,

Oh ok...now it makes sense......:noidea:
 

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What I would like in democracy is to remove the right of vote to retired people. It's massively the retired old snub who decided the brexit at the expense of the young generation that wanted to build their future in the european union. Retired people vote with their anger and frustration, not with their head.

I am with you!!

Let's ship them all off to Florida, or better still put them all on cruise ships out of the way so that the young and more intelligent can decide the future of this world.
They have paid their taxes, made their contributions it is time to move over and let the young decide

I just booked my 21 day cruise yesterday:bounce:


No they need to stay, we need their experience. We need to listen to them to make it our own way, not being stuck trying to make it their way ;)

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Republican Convention Falls Short of TV Ratings Expectations

by Michael M. Grynbaum

CLEVELAND — Television is Donald J. Trump’s comfort zone, the medium where he ruled as master of “The Apprentice,” lured record audiences to Republican primary debates, and deftly outmaneuvered opponents with his camera-ready skills.

For politicos and producers alike, the Republican National Convention here this week was widely anticipated as a ratings bonanza.

It did not live up to the hype.

About 32 million Americans watched Mr. Trump’s climactic acceptance speech on Thursday evening on the major cable news and broadcast channels, according to ratings from Nielsen, released on Friday.

Mr. Trump’s remarks, at an hour and 15 minutes the longest in modern convention history, just beat out those of the previous Republican nominee, the decidedly less unpredictable Mitt Romney, who was seen by about 1.9 million fewer viewers when he addressed the party’s convention four years ago. Viewership throughout the convention week was about the same as in 2012.

In the past four years, many Americans have turned to less traditional means to watch televised events, including YouTube, Facebook and livestreams widely available around the web.

But the 2016 race, with its unlikely cast of candidates and dramatic twists, had been attracting record audiences to cable news networks throughout the past year. The 19.8 million viewers who watched the Republican convention on Tuesday, across all the major news networks, was notably less than the 24 million who tuned in for the first Republican primary debate on Fox News last August.

In Cleveland, television producers grumbled about the less-than-optimal spectacle put on by the Trump campaign. Relatively unknown speakers appeared in the prime 10 p.m. hour, when the broadcast networks go live, while appealing figures like Senator Jodi Ernst of Iowa were bumped. Strange pauses in the action left anchors scrambling to fill time.

“The underwear model had a better speaking slot than Jodi Ernst,” said Stuart Stevens, the strategist who oversaw Mr. Romney’s convention in 2012, referring to Antonio Sabato Jr.

New York executives who flew here for the proceedings were perplexed. Watching delegates stream out of the Quicken Loans Arena one night at 10:30, just as viewership was peaking, one senior network figure asked a producer if the Republicans expected to fill the nation’s living rooms when they could not fill the seats in the hall.

After the death of Garry Marshall, the longtime TV producer and film director, was announced late Tuesday during convention coverage, several television executives joked that they ought to cut in with the news, given the sleepy proceedings onstage.

NBC was the highest-rated broadcast network on each of the convention’s four nights. But the overall winner was Fox News, which, despite the tumult involving its departing chairman, Roger Ailes, easily defeated its rivals. On Thursday night, Fox was watched by about 9.4 million viewers, its biggest convention audience in 20 years. Fox’s viewership for Mr. Trump’s speech was up about 30 percent from the convention’s first night, when the candidate’s wife, Melania Trump, spoke.

Mr. Trump is a keen student of television ratings: During a recent interview, he produced a sheaf of photocopied Nielsen charts for “The Apprentice” dating to the mid-2000s, and he often calls network executives to discuss the finer points of audience data.

At an appearance here on Friday morning, Mr. Trump described his ratings this week as “through the roof,” and he wrote on Twitter that the convention was “one of the best produced, including the incredible stage & set, in the history of conventions.”

“Big T.V. ratings!” Mr. Trump added.

That was before the actual Nielsen figures were released. Asked on Friday evening if Mr. Trump wished to comment further, a spokeswoman said the campaign was deferring to Mr. Trump’s earlier remarks.


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Trump Sells Hate and Fear, and Trump

Donald Trump to America: Be Afraid, Very Afraid. And Then Vote For Me.

Thick in the summer of 2016, anxiety is a huge portion of the gross national product. And the universal question isn’t, ‘Who will win?’—it’s ‘What’s next?’

by Mike Barnicle

A few days ago I stood in a hall where the heat of today’s politics began to bend into hate. Up on the stage Donald Trump was explaining the reason, the singular reason, why he must be president: only he could conquer a fear he defined as nearly universal, a fear that every American must be made aware of, a fear of violence that, to him, has assumed nearly epidemic proportion, a fear of the new, the other, the borders and the cloak of global humiliation and weakness he claims the United States now wears.

As I watched him and listened to the crowd roar its approval it occurred to me that Donald is a guy who quite literally lives in the clouds. His life, his business, his outlook and viewpoint is located at the top of a tall building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan surrounded by stores that cater to the platinum rich among us.

He is a marketing genius. He is a man of deft instinct when it comes to recognizing, speaking to and playing with the earned anger of the many who have been pushed to the economic sidelines of a shareholder economy. Corporate profits hit the skids? Layoff a thousand workers and the market will react with a positive nod.

He is a Hall of Fame salesman, always pushing the perfect product, the only item that exists in his mind: himself. He views himself as the answer to everything that ails or angers us. Any ill at all, he tells us, will be dealt with and taken care of by mid-afternoon on January 20, 2017 if only we will be smart enough to make him president.

As he spoke and spoke and spoke many in the crowd stood and applauded his every assurance that he, only he, recognized the challenges, the anxieties, the fear of the future that surely engulfs a country that he claims has changed around them, making many feel like strangers on the street where they live. His definitions were thin but his meaning and his implied intent were as loud as the voice that filled the hall, his voice: The United States has been knocked to its knees because of political weakness, lack of leadership and undeserved attention to a political and cultural elite.

Now, finally, a strongman stood in their corner.

Trump supporters cheer on the delegate floor during the Republican National Convention July 21, 2016.

Donald’s discourse contained a list of grievances you might hear at bar-side, late on a Friday night after glancing at what the government has swallowed from your pay stub. It also might be the same solid complaints you get from anyone who over the past ten or fifteen years has lost a job, a house — or a son or daughter to our longest war.

There are indeed the millions across the land who feel they have no voice, no clout, no margin for error, too little hope and too little optimism. Here, thick in the summer of 2016, anxiety is a huge portion of the gross national product. And the universal question isn’t, ‘Who will win?’; it’s ‘What’s next?’

More black men shot on a sidewalk? More police assassinated? More shopping malls, night clubs, offices or city sidewalks awash with the blood of victims of intended violence or planned terrorism?

And this anxiety is high on the list within Donald’s business plan to purchase the power of the presidency. He is a businessman whose principal and only business is his own brand, Trump. It’s a brand Made in America, the only country in the world where he could achieve such success as winning the nomination of one of our two major political parties for President of the United States.

But the other night as he provided a verbal portrait of the country he sees, he was like a guy painting by numbers while blindfolded. Sure, he gets the anger and the anxiety but he misses the every-day resilience found everywhere you look in the land.

America is not crippled by fear. And the majority of Americans might indeed feel that the economy, politics, Congress are all taking us down the wrong track but do they really think we are about to go off the rails and over the cliff, soon to surrender to ISIS, to failure or to a panic that will have us standing in the street with pitchforks and shotguns? It appears we either do not know or fail to appreciate our very own history.

For months now there have been all sorts of glib comparisons attempting to match the bizarreness of 2016 to the chaos of 1968. But that’s like comparing a tavern brawl to Ali versus Frazier in Manila.

In 1968 both political parties held their conventions in August; the Republicans in Miami and the Democrats in Chicago where the city was turned into a rolling riot.

In addition to the scars cut into the country’s soul by the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy as well as the bonfires in the night as several major cities were burned and looted, there was a war raging in Vietnam. That August, 1,080 Americans were killed in that war. 813 died in July. 1,146 had been killed in June and the yearly total of those who never got to come home to vote, to marry, to hold their child’s hand, to work, worry or simply live was 16,592.

We endured. We didn’t learn what we ought to have but we endured.

So now, all these decades later we have Donald J. Trump telling us to be afraid, to be very afraid. He tells us the best way, the only way, to defeat the fear he defines and that defines his campaign for the White House is to follow him.

Some will. Some won’t.

The math will be on the books in November and then we will find out if America buys what heis selling and the country he sees. Or we’ll discover the America where we all live and Donald J. Trump will return to his penthouse in the clouds, a bigger brand than ever.


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Trump Surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes to Tim Kaine: Speak English

Following the remarks of Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine at a rally in Miami today, Donald Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes went on CNN to criticize the Virginia senator’s ability and decision to speak Spanish to the crowd.

“I appreciate him having multi-cultural and speaking Spanish, I think that’s a great idea. And we can all bring out our languages. Melania can come out and speak her five different languages as well, but what Mr. Trump did, he spoke in a language that all Americans can understand. That is English!” Nell Hughes told Wolf Blitzer. “I didn’t have to get a translator for anything that was going on at the RNC this week. And I’m hoping I’m not going have to kind of have to start brushing up back on my Dora the Explorer to understand some of the speeches given this week.”

Kaine, who became fluent in Spanish while on a mission trip to Honduras during law school, told the Florida crowd, “Bienvenidos a todos en nuestro pais, porque somos Americanos todos,” which translates to, “Welcome to everyone in our country, because we are all Americans.”


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Former KKK leader David Duke, citing Trump, announces Senate bid

By Elise Viebeck

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke is running for the U.S. Senate, linking his decision to Donald Trump’s bid for the presidency and the business mogul’s proposals on trade and immigration.

Duke, a vocal Trump supporter, announced his candidacy for the seat in Louisiana on Friday and said he was “overjoyed” to see the businessman’s campaign “embrace most of the issues that I’ve championed for years,” including the nationalist and protectionist notion of “America First.”

“We must stop the massive immigration and ethnic cleansing of people whose forefathers created America,” Duke said in a video posted to his website one day after Trump claimed the Republican presidential nomination.

The former KKK grand wizard’s entry into the race could prove problematic for Trump by serving as a reminder that earlier in the year, Trump failed to immediately repudiate Duke after he endorsed Trump’s campaign.

Duke said his goal is to represent what he described as white interests on Capitol Hill.

“Thousands of special-interest groups stand up for African Americans, Mexican Americans, Jewish Americans, et cetera, et cetera,” Duke said. “The fact is that European Americans need at least one man in the United States Senate — one man in the Congress — who will defend their rights and heritage.”

Duke represented suburban New Orleans in the Louisiana statehouse between 1989 and 1993 and ran unsuccessfully for Congress and the Louisiana governorship. In December 2002, he pleaded guilty to felony fraud and tax-evasion charges, and he was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison in April 2003. He was released after a year.

If elected, Duke would succeed Republican David Vitter, who is not seeking reelection after losing his bid for the governorship last year. Duke is one of nine Republicans running for the seat in a field of 23 candidates that includes GOP Reps. Charles W. Boustany Jr. and John Fleming.

“There are a lot of strong conservative candidates in the race, but he remains a visible person with name recognition around the country,” Louisiana State University political-communication professor Martin Johnson said in an interview. “In that sense, maybe he peeks his head above the pack.”

At the same time, Louisiana voters might hesitate, given Duke’s racial views, “even if there are elements of his message that resonate with them.”

“Goodness gracious, the guy is a Holocaust denier,” Johnson said. “He is hard to support, and he should be.”

The announcement makes Duke a high-profile character in the unfolding drama of an election season defined by racial animosity. Trump, who has repeatedly painted undocumented immigrants as a threat to America’s safety and has strongly defended law enforcement, is running amid several episodes of lethal violence by police against African Americans.

One recent episode took place in Baton Rouge, leaving a 37-year-old black man, Alton Sterling, dead after an encounter with police officers. Almost two weeks later, three Baton Rouge police officers were shot and killed in what investigators describe as an ambush by a black man who targeted them. Two of the officers killed were white; one was black.

Duke did not specifically address the events in his home state Friday, although they have been frequent topics for him on Twitter, where he has about 12,500 followers.

“I believe it’s time we start talking about the reality of terrorism linked to Black radicals,” Duke tweeted July 17 after the news broke about the police shootings in Baton Rouge. “How is this any different than ISIS?”

Duke’s campaign is likely to raise further questions for Trump, who falsely claimed earlier in the year that he knew nothing about Duke when asked by CNN if he would disavow the white nationalist leader. After several days of controversy, Trump ultimately denounced Duke, but his equivocation drew criticism from Democrats and from Republicans, such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), who said the matter should have prompted “no evasion” from the candidate.

Trump’s response to Duke’s announcement will be telling. “If Donald Trump is vague or mixed about Duke’s candidacy, it is possible that a lot of voters will make an association, particularly on the anti-immigrant message,” Johnson said.

Duke’s candidacy could also reawaken past controversy for House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who acknowledged in December 2014 that he spoke to a white-supremacist group founded by Duke in 2002. Scalise denied being involved with the group but was widely criticized for the speech.

The Republican campaign establishment and the Louisiana GOP rushed to distance themselves from Duke on Friday.

“We will not support David Duke,” National Republican Senatorial Committee Executive Director Ward Baker tweeted. “Several GOP candidates in [Louisiana] will have a great impact on our country. He is not one of them.”


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Hypocrite

Donald Trump, Resident of America’s Safest Big City, Peddles Fear

All lives matter to Trump. Some lives just matter more than others.

by Michael Daly

In his big speech Thursday in which he promised to keep us all safe, Donald Trump failed to mention that the NYPD has made the city that he and his family call home the safest big city in America.

He told us from the convention podium that things have never been so bad, but neglected to note that murders in New York City are down 25 per cent this year over last. Murders are down sixfold from when Trump opened the tower that bears his name and where he presently resides.

In 1983 there were 1,958 murders in New York City. The final number for 2015 was 352.

At the RNC, former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani took credit in his own speech for the unprecedented decline, declaring that Donald Trump would do for America what he had done for New York.

In truth, the credit belongs to a policing genius named Jack Maple and thousands of cops who never received a proper thank you. Maple remarked before his death from cancer in August of 2001 that the cops had guarded any number of ticker-tape parades up The Canyon of Heroes but had never received one in their honor.

At Maple’s funeral at Saint Patrick’s Cathedral just down Fifth Avenue from Trump Tower, Giuliani had the grace to credit Maple with being the only individual ever to singlehandedly transform the city. Giuliani calculated aloud that Maple had saved more lives than the thousands who crammed in for the funeral.

But Giuliani seems to have since lost his way and perhaps never understood the reason why crime declined so sharply. He appears to imagine that it had something to do with vanquishing squeegee men and cracking down on quality of life crimes.

“It wasn’t broken windows,” Maple would say. “It was broken balls.”

Maple’s guiding principle was that a crime in a poor neighborhood should be addressed as seriously as a crime in a rich one and that all victims should be treated as if they were your mother.

In other words, that all lives matter.

As a child in a far more modest section of Queens than the wealthy enclave where young Donald Trump grew up, Maple had always envied the kids who had the big box of crayons. He was a grown-up transit police lieutenant when he bought himself one and set to making crime maps he called The Charts of the Future. He used color codes to denote such factors as types of crime and number of perpetrators. He used the up-to-the-minute patterns that emerged to deploy his cops accordingly.

The resulting drop in crime was so remarkable that NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton promoted Maple to Deputy Commissioner for Operations. The Charts of the Future gave way to the computerized crime maps of CompStat but the principle was the same.

Be it with a computer or a crayon, a dot was a dot and equally deserving of immediate action whether it was on the roughest block of Junius Street in Brooklyn or on the most golden stretch of Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

During the same period when Maple used his principle to guide life-saving strategies that really did make people safe, Trump followed an opposing philosophy in a prolonged campaign against street peddlers, notably including disabled veterans, who had been receiving special licenses in New York since the aftermath of the Civil War. Trump took the position that such riff-raff had no place on an avenue so grand as the one where his tower stood.

“While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” he wrote in a 1991 letter to the New York state Assembly that was originally reported by the New York Daily News and more recently by The Daily Beast.

He continued, “Do we allow Fifth Avenue, one of the world’s finest and most luxurious shopping districts, to be turned into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area?”

Trump was still pursuing his anti-peddlers campaign three years after Maple’s death and 9/11. Trump’s position remained unchanged even as the disabled vets came to include those who had deployed to Afghanistan in pursuit of the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists who felled the Twin Towers, by his account killing hundreds of his friends, though he has yet to name one.

“Whether they are veterans or not, they [the vendors] should not be allowed to sell on this most important and prestigious shopping street,” Trump wrote in a 2004 letter to then Mayor Mike Bloomberg. “The image of New York City will suffer… I hope you can stop this very deplorable situation before it is too late.”

Trump’s eventual solution was to install huge cement planters that allowed people to pass between the curb and his tower, but were too closely placed for a disabled vet to set up a stand selling hats and gloves. The planters ensured Trump encountered no scruffy vets as he came and went in recent months on campaign jaunts in which he declared himself a champion of veterans.

Most recently, the shocking murders of five police officers in Dallas and three in Baton Rouge led Trump to declare himself the law-and-order candidate. He spoke at the convention as if things had never been worse.

“Be more afraid and I’m here to save you,” a prominent cleric summarized this Mourning in America speech as saying.

When citing the unrelenting carnage in President Obama’s hometown of Chicago, Trump failed to mention a significant factor that marked that city different from his own hometown.

Chicago has gun laws that are nearly as strict as those in New York, but the minimum penalties are considerably less and firearms pour in from just outside the city line as well as from nearby Indiana, home to Trump’s running mate Gov. Mike Pence. More than one in five illegal guns recovered in Chicago come from Indiana. A single store just over the Chicago city line, Chuck’s Guns, sold some 1,500 of the firearms recovered at crime scenes over a five-year period.

But Trump did not talk of the illegal guns flooding the streets. He also said nothing about the assault weapons that allowed the gunmen in Dallas and Baton Rouge to kill so many cops despite their body armor. One dying Dallas cop desperately tried to remove his pierced bullet-resistant vest so he could treat his wound underneath.

To his credit,Trump told an arena full of conservative Republicans that the Orlando gunman had been beyond wrong in targeting LBGTQ people. Trump said not a word about the assault rifle that enabled the killer to commit such carnage.

Giuliani had been equally silent on the subject even as he bellowed about danger, danger, danger. He had once been vocally in favor of an assault weapons ban, terming the NRA’s opposition to it “a terrible, terrible mistake.”

Meanwhile, at least one of the death loving ones who want us to be even more afraid mounted an attack on Friday at a shopping area in Munich, reportedly killing at least nine and targeting children. More such attacks could easily come in America, where handguns are for the asking and even people on the terrorist watch list can purchase assault rifles and enough bullets to act out the most murderous schemes.

In New York, where Bratton has returned, the counter-terror effort is run by one of Maple’s closest comrades, Deputy Commissioner John Miller. He applies the same tenets that Maple once inscribed on a nightspot napkin and applied along with the overarching principle that all lives matter: Accurate and timely intelligence; Effective tactics; Rapid deployment; Relentless follow-up and assessment.

Even with the terrorist threat, Trump and Giuliani and their families live in the safest big city in America thanks to the cops who daily place themselves in harm’s way, as readily on Junius Street as on Fifth Avenue, be it against violent criminals or terrorists.

Nobody can help but be afraid on hearing of the killing of kids in Munich so soon after the killing of kids in Nice. And we are almost certain to witness more attacks here in America, where handguns are everywhere and even people on the terrorist watch list can buy assault rifles.

But do not imagine that the guy who put planters to keep away disabled vets outside his tower is going to make you safe.

Sadly, we also cannot count on the candidate who sat in the front row at Trump’s latest wedding and gets her hair done just up Fifth Avenue.

Maybe one of them will be smart and humble enough to embrace the wisdom that made the whole city of New York safer.


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Judge unlikely to throw out Trump University racketeering lawsuit

Nationwide class-action fraud suit over real estate seminar program on track for trial

By Josh Gerstein

A federal judge indicated Friday that he's unlikely to agree to a request from lawyers for Donald Trump to throw out a class-action racketeering lawsuit filed against his Trump University real estate seminar program, news reports said.

U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel held a hearing Friday afternoon in San Diego on a motion from Trump's legal team to dismiss the suit on grounds that the real estate mogul turned Republican presidential nominee was not sufficiently personally involved in alleged fraud committed in promoting the seminars.

Trump's lawyers have also argued that the alleged fraud falls short of the kind of outrageous conduct to which the federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations law was intended to apply.
In May, Trump publicly attacked Curiel as a "hater" and repeatedly argued publicly that the judge's Latino heritage had left him irretrievably biased against Trump because of his call for a crackdown on illegal immigration from Mexico.

The judge did not issue a formal ruling on the motion for summary judgment brought by Trump in the nationwide RICO suit, but KNSD-TV, KSWB-TV and Bloomberg News reported that he indicated he was inclined to deny the motion.

That would leave that case on track to go to trial. However, trial in that case is expected to follow a trial Curiel has already scheduled to begin Nov. 28 in a parallel class-action lawsuit brought on behalf Trump University students in California, New York and Florida. That suit argues that students in those states are entitled to damages under state consumer protection laws.

Students paid fees ranging from about $1500 for a 3-day seminar to $35,000 for an extended mentorship. The suits allege that Trump University marketing materials falsely claimed that instructors were hand-picked by Trump and that they would teach Trump's "secrets" for investing. The suits also claim that the Trump University name implied the organization was an accredited university.

Trump has said that most students were satisfied with the program. His lawyers have argued that the meaning of terms like "secrets" is ambiguous and that any exaggeration amounted to "puffery" that falls short of the legal standard for fraud.

Curiel is still considering whether to clear the way for the release of videos of two depositions Trump gave in connection with the lawsuits. At a hearing last week, a media lawyer argued that the videos should be made public because of public interest in the litigation and Trump's presidential bid. Trump's lawyer argued that the videos should be kept under seal to avoid prejudicing jurors and to avoid having the videos taken out of context in news reports and political ads.


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What I would like in democracy is to remove the right of vote to retired people. It's massively the retired old snub who decided the brexit at the expense of the young generation that wanted to build their future in the european union. Retired people vote with their anger and frustration, not with their head.

I hope you were sarastic when you made this statement. It's totally GOP-like.

Myself, i'm totally against the GOP's many attempts at voter suppression over the past couple of elections. They've went out of their way to prevent black people from voting and have continued trying (and succeeding at times) in putting various obstacles to prevent groups who regularly vote Democrat in order to prevent them from voting. Among them are the states who's GOP governors who've changed voter i.d. laws. There is also no reason why anyone with a criminal record, no matter how minor the offense was, does not have the right to vote. The reason why the GOP implemented these rules years ago was because a large majority of the prison population just happens to be black. Way too many of them were imprisoned for petty and minor crimes mostly because of the color of their skin. But that's another topic altogether.

Therefore, everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they are old enough to vote. I will never be on the side of the party who goes out of its way to promote voter suppression.
 

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Btw this thread is quite the conversation piece behind the scenes these days, many Trump supporters (and believe it or not, a couple killery supporters) in this community won't post. You know some of these posters....

I know. I have quite a lot of them who've supported me in back channels and who have indicated their preference to stay away from the thread. Some of the points i make actually comes from info provided by some of them. You know quite a few of these posters also. ;)

You know some of these posters, they include some sexy and popular sp's as well ;).

I haven't been able to sleep since i read this last night. It totally depressed me. How will i be able to move on from this? I am doomed! Doomed i say, doomed! :rolleyes:

ok Mon Ami, I told them you're a great guy nonetheless lol.

Nah! I'm an asshole!! Being known as a great guy is lame and boring. Doc Holliday is a boozing, womanizing gambler who loves guns & has never been afraid to use a Colt-45 to silence those he perceived as his ennemies without even giving them the benefit of a fair trial. He has hung around with & enjoyed the company of shady characters, men & women alike. People have even questioned his sanity and his self-destructing ways at times. He was once known as a skilled, brilliant man. But he threw it all away and the reasons why continue to be a mystery even to those who claim to be closest to him.

Therefore, he prefers being known as a straight-shooting asshole who tells it like it is! Refering to this man of many faults as an asshole would likely be welcome. :D

Stranger: "Doc Holliday, you're an asshole!"

Doc Holliday: "I'm your Huckleberry." ;)
 

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The party of myth and nostalgia: The GOP jobs narrative is hopelessly stuck in the past


Republicans want to build a time machine to the economy of decades past rather than looking to the future

by David Masciotra

Somewhere in America there is a little boy, full of hope and wonder, telling his parents that when he grows up he will work on an assembly line in a factory. His parents, holding back a flood of tears, will have to break the news to him that his dream will never come true.

In just a few months, guidance counselor offices in high schools throughout the nation will host scenes of despair and defeat when young women explain their aspirations for employment in textile mills. The counselors will reply by explaining that all of those jobs are gone. “I guess you’ll just have to apply to college,” they’ll say in hopes of offering consolation, while the dejected girls gather the strength to get through the day. Some of them will briefly consider moving to Mexico or Vietnam, but to maintain proximity to family and friends, will search out alternative career choices. No matter where they go and what they do, they will always wonder how much better life could have been.

The scenario of children fantasizing about industrial-age employment is laughably absurd, but it is not too far from the depiction of America that now dominates Republican rhetoric and mainstream media coverage of the presidential election. Largely due to the demographic category of most pundits, and Donald Trump’s overrated mobilization of the “white working class,” baby boomer nostalgia has overtaken political discourse. On a daily basis, voters are now subjected to maudlin reminiscence for the bygone days of manufacturing employment. As if the entire country has taken a ride in a time machine to the late 1970s, cable news carries a continual debate over how to appeal to working people who can no longer get a job in the factory down the street.

It is a bizarre fixation on the rearview mirror, and the backward-gazing vantage point of baby boomers ignores the real reasons for the decline of careers in manufacturing, but also neglects nearly all the economic questions that will determine the health and wealth of young adults attempting to assimilate into lives of stable, independent, income-earning adulthood. To obsess over the ghosts of America’s forever dead past, at the expense of the lives of the imminent future, is to violate the purpose of public policy, and sign a suicide note for the Republican party.

As with most right-wing rhetoric, there is a racial element at play. It does not require a jewelry appraiser’s eye for detail to notice that discussion of black and Latino poverty almost always ends with condemnation of absentee fathers and exhortation for personal responsibility, but that examinations of white poverty churn out the stale clichés of “outsourcing” and “bad trade deals.” Poor blacks and Mexicans are losers too lazy to get their acts together, but the poor whites salivating over Trump’s piss-colored mug are victims of a massive economic conspiracy.

Equally obvious as the ethnic dimension of Republican rage is the generational bias. Throughout the Republican freak show convention it was almost impossible to hear anyone address important issues affecting Americans under the age of 45. Education, college tuition, student debt, first-time home ownership, family medical leave, health insurance for young workers, and anything else that might interest a person not approaching retirement or the cemetery was off the table and away from the microphone.

President Obama routinely attempted, and often succeeded, in advancing a youth-focused policy agenda. The Affordable Care Act allows for citizens to remain on the health coverage plan of their parents until the age of 26. Recently, the president has worked to enhance and promote the income-driven repayment options for student debtors, and he also tried, but failed, to make tuition-free community college and affordable high-speed Internet access in poor neighborhoods and rural outposts part of the national reform itinerary.

The Republicans have opposed all of these measures aimed at investment in a free and prosperous future, and instead have focused on “bringing the jobs back” and “making America great again.” “Back” and “again” are the operative words in those empty and delusional slogans. The rhetorical emphasis on nostalgia demonstrates a boomer bias longing for a return to the “way things used to be.”

The Republicans have opposed all of these measures aimed at investment in a free and prosperous future, and instead have focused on “bringing the jobs back” and “making America great again.” “Back” and “again” are the operative words in those empty and delusional slogans. The rhetorical emphasis on nostalgia demonstrates a boomer bias longing for a return to the “way things used to be.”

Mike Pence, in his early speeches and interviews as Trump’s running mate, has tried to have his job and outsource it too – at once bragging about “bringing manufacturing jobs back” to Indiana, while also decrying the state of the economy as weak. His jobs record as governor of Indiana is average at best, but most of the new jobs in his state are not available in factories, but modern offices and tech centers.

The old sitcom “Newt Gingrich,” still in rerun syndication on cable news, recently blamed President Obama for “killing manufacturing jobs,” and predicted that Trump would reverse the deadly trend. Pence, Gingrich, Trump, and their cheerleaders like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, all fail to even mention what might actually assist working-class people in their struggle to enjoy lives of financial autonomy – the high wages, generous benefits and workplace protections that come with union membership.

Meanwhile, no one under the age of 30 dreams of working in an industrial complex. Unlike boomers, they were not alive when manufacturing jobs were still abundant. So, it seems unlikely that they are mournful over their disappearance.

There are more Americans in college right now than at any other point in history. Contrary to the apocalyptic whining and hand-wringing that has captured American debate, most college graduates are doing rather well. A survey of hundreds of thousands of 2014 baccalaureate graduates found that 80 percent report a “positive outcome” from their education, with the overwhelming majority in full-time, salaried employment, and a large percentage continuing their studies at the graduate level. Those who do not attend four-year universities, or even community colleges, have the option of trade school enrollment. High-wage positions in welding or automotive technology, to cite two popular examples, are readily available in most areas of the country. The poor need educational assistance, job training and service subsidies to matriculate into the middle class. Illusions of a Rockwellian renaissance of factory jobs will get them exactly nothing.

It is important to acknowledge the reality that, while America is far from an Edenic paradise, it is not the Dantean circle of hell commentators now imagine, because the most optimistic group of Americans are those under the age of 35, while the most pessimistic are those over the age of 55. Just as the Brexit vote divided along generational fractures, belief that America is “going to hell,” as Donald Trump charmingly claims, is also age-based. The elderly look at a country of gender-neutral bathrooms, gay marriage, rapid diversification, and the loss of blue-collar assembly line employment, and see a dystopia teetering over the edge of Armageddon. Young Americans see the tedium of day-to-day existence; full of reasons to celebrate and despair.

Among the reasons to despair is student debt. The average college graduate leaves the commencement stage $28,110 in the red. Entrance into a culture of debt, with an onerous burden on one’s back, stifles entrepreneurial activity, creative risk, home ownership and familial establishment. It impedes the lives of millions of people, and will exact a much costlier consequence that the inevitable and unavoidable depletion of the few manufacturing jobs that remain. It is also a crisis that imaginative and industrious public figures can manage, and eventually solve, unlike the development of a knowledge- and service-based economy, which, for better or worse, is here to stay.

There are currently more goods, equipment and technology manufactured in the United States than at any other point in American history. Automation allows for high rates of productivity with minimal personnel. Instead of paying 12 men to work a line, a corporation can now employ one engineer or computer programmer to run the line. No alteration of existing trade deals, no matter how tilted toward the wealthy, or artistic negotiation from a reality television star turned president will convince CEOs and shareholders to use 1970s technology to manufacture their products. Baby boomer Republicans pray for the impossible, and accept the faith claim that a man with no experience in governmental leadership can perform the miracle of time reversal. Democrats, while certainly not perfect, at least live in the real world.

Hillary Clinton has announced that, should she win the presidency, she will move to make public universities tuition-free for students from households with an annual income under $85,000. In five years, universities will elevate the ceiling to $125,000. Her higher-education policy also includes a three-year moratorium on payments for any student debtor who starts a new business, and an acceleration of forgiveness for those entering a career in social services. She is also looking into lowering interest rates on existing and future student loans.

Clinton also proposes to guarantee 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave to care for a newborn child or seriously ill family member. Millions of young parents, and children of terminally ill senior citizens, will benefit from the adoption of the long overdue and humane standard of Western society. These plans borrow significantly from Bernie Sanders, demonstrating the beneficial influence that the Sanders candidacy had on the Clinton campaign, but they also indicate an entirely separate sightline separating the two major parties.

While one has a forward-looking, progressive and aspirational, albeit imperfect, vision for future possibility, the other is hopelessly living in the past – chained to its favorite artifacts of a lost age: factories along the side of the road where white men work double shifts without complaint to come home to their wives in aprons cooking dinner for their heterosexual, Christian children.

The amplification of mythic and ancient America throughout the mainstream media reveals how susceptible journalists and pundits are to Republican propaganda, and how the generational bias for the old against the young poisons political debate. Every time a talk show host asks a boring question about “abandoned factories,” American culture gives priority to the romanticization of boomer memories over the real needs of youthful ambitions. It buries the future in the graveyard of the past.

It also confronts voters under the age of 45 with a clear choice and responsibility. If they do not turn out in significant numbers they will only encourage the erasure of their lives from public policy concern. To recite an old cliché, the future is in their hands – their own and their country’s.
 

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Bill Maher on Trump: He Wants to Make America White Again

The host of Real Time aired a damning ‘New Rule’ segment on how Trump wants to take America back to the days when the system was “rigged” for white men only.

by Marlow Stern

“If you were watching the convention last night, you’re probably watching from your panic room,” joked Bill Maher, adding, “Did you see Donald Trump’s speech? If that speech was any darker it would’ve been shot by the police.”

The political satirist was, for the first time since his Politically Incorrect days, assuming hosting duties for the third consecutive night—after two live broadcasts of Real Time that aired immediately following the final two days of the Republican National Convention.

On Thursday night, Maher said Trump “looked a lot like Mussolini” during his strident, remarkably cynical headlining speech.

“If you didn’t see it, to recap: it’s morning in America, where the walls are streaked with blood; we’re a shining city on a hill, which is where we’ll make our last stand against the zombies; and ISIS and illegal immigrants are coming to kill us all. Unfortunately there’s no one to save us because Hillary wiped out the police with her email. Yes, that’s pretty much the state of [Trump’s] America,” joked Maher.

“Now, as to the question of how he’s going to [fix] all this?” he continued. “Do not question Zod! Zero specifics. Not the slightest hint of how he’s going to fix anything. Nothing! Even James Bond villains when they tie you up tell you their plan a little.”

During Maher’s “New Rules” segment, the comedian deconstructed Trump’s “Make America Great Again” message—one that, he said, really means Make America White Again.

“Now that the Republican Convention is finally over, those of you thoroughly disgusted by what you witnessed have to look on the bright side: win or lose, Donald Trump will probably be the last ‘50s guy to run for president, and frankly, that is something to be thankful for,” said Maher.

“Because ‘50s guys… we know what they mean,” he offered, before cutting to a clip of Trump in full misogyny mode, telling ABC News, “I think putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing...” and “when I come home and my dinner’s not ready, I go through the roof.”

“The ‘50s guy: he likes steak, he keeps a bottle of Scotch in his desk, and he thinks an educated woman [Hillary Clinton] should be locked up.”
Maher’s five-minute segment focused on how the “tension between ‘50s and ‘60s people is what still drives our politics today”—those that welcomed the social and political upheaval of the ‘60s, and those that desire for things to return to Leave It to Beaver.

“If you’re a ‘50s guy, even if you try to join the modern world, it’s useless,” said Maher. “Not that they really want to, because for Trump and his fans, what was so great about the ‘50s was that white men didn’t have to really try. He complains about rigged systems, but the ‘50s was the ultimate rigged system. For example, basketball teams looked like this [a photo of all-white players]. Trump was 10 when Elvis burst on the scene, and while other people had made music like that before, only Elvis had the insight to do it while being white.”

“Nobody ever asked you to ‘check your privilege’—you didn’t have to check, it was there alright,” he went on. “So when Republicans talk about ‘restoring America,’ ‘making it great again,’ ‘taking their country back,’ this is where they want to take it back to: 1959, when life was still in black and white, before the ‘60s came along and ruined everything with color.”


Trump wants to make America white again
 

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I hope you were sarastic when you made this statement. It's totally GOP-like.

Myself, i'm totally against the GOP's many attempts at voter suppression over the past couple of elections. They've went out of their way to prevent black people from voting and have continued trying (and succeeding at times) in putting various obstacles to prevent groups who regularly vote Democrat in order to prevent them from voting. Among them are the states who's GOP governors who've changed voter i.d. laws. There is also no reason why anyone with a criminal record, no matter how minor the offense was, does not have the right to vote. The reason why the GOP implemented these rules years ago was because a large majority of the prison population just happens to be black. Way too many of them were imprisoned for petty and minor crimes mostly because of the color of their skin. But that's another topic altogether.

Therefore, everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they are old enough to vote. I will never be on the side of the party who goes out of its way to promote voter suppression.


How old is old enough to vote?

Yes I was actually half sarcastic when I wrote that. The thing is I never ever mentionned any race or color of skin, just the retired. I just put it down on the context of the Brexit, that it is a fucking shame that a young generation gets their future fucked up by the decision of old non working class.

Secondly, this thread is the perfect context to write down some ideas that are a bit shocking no? The greatest country on earth is about to have a president that wants to build a fucking wall over Mexico, a president that once cut off electricity and infested one of his own building to get the tenants out. Let's continue to debate freely on this, it's quite interesting ;)

Cheers,

p.s. Or perhaps as Smuler mentionned I may have hit my head on one of my mountain bike ride and I am half insane now ;) I keep the good half for the ladies tho :)
 

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Thank goodness, for a little while there I thought the next suggestion after taking away their vote would be to set them adrift on an iceberg like the Eskimos did.
Sorry couldn't help being sarcastic.
You are usually one of the first to offer advice and help to others on this board that is why I found this post kind of strange or out of character.

I would have never started a thread on this beleive me. But this is Trump thread, we can go a little wild on some ideas as long as it's insulting no one. Trump is surely capable of doing so too!

I love your sarcasm really. But your idea of shipping the old is not a new idea, they do it by themselve! Close to half a million of retired quebeccers go down 6 months per year to live in Florida or Arizona. Within a few years I will be one of them, unless Trump's team makes a mistake on their geography and build their wall along canada!

Hope you have a nice Sunday, life is great! I will now try to gather myself to write a review on another amazing lady I saw from Indy companion yesterday... I still have a fucking smile stuck on my face since :)

Cheers,
 

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How old is old enough to vote?

Eighteen?

I was actually half sarcastic when I wrote that. The thing is I never ever mentionned any race or color of skin, just the retired. I just put it down on the context of the Brexit, that it is a fucking shame that a young generation gets their future fucked up by the decision of old non working class.

Okay, i get it. Your analogy isn't that much different to what's going on in the States. It also makes us realize that the GOP has adopted this ideology for nearly a decade or more by going out of its way to suppress the black vote, among other dirty tactics to exclude groups not friendly to the GOP when going to the polls. Gerrymandering was another dirty tactic when they figured out a way to keep Congress GOP-dominated, but that's another story.

This thread is the perfect context to write down some ideas that are a bit shocking no? The greatest country on earth is about to have a president that wants to build a fucking wall over Mexico, a president that once cut off electricity and infested one of his own building to get the tenants out. Let's continue to debate freely on this, it's quite interesting ;)

I agree. And whether or not i agree with everything you write, it's your right to express your ideas in a thread such as this one. I welcome the debate & indeed many points brought forward in this very good thread are indeed quite interesting. For any merbite interested in US politics, this thread is a must-read.
 
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