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As for the wikileaks thing, it wouldn't surprise me if we later learn that someone connected to Trump was in cahoots with Vladimir Putin & the Russian hackers on this one.


Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s top adviser, and his ties to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine

By Aleksandra Kharchenko

Paul Manafort, the adviser hired by Donald Trump to add stability and institutional know-how to Trump’s often scattershot presidential campaign, has long and deep reported ties to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine.

PolitiFact, as part of an exchange of journalists sponsored by the U.S. State Department, is hosting two foreign political journalists, including a reporter from Ukraine. We asked that reporter to analyze Manafort’s connections to Ukraine and its political leadership. What follows is her report.

"We joke in Ukraine that it is a bad sign for Trump that he hired Manafort. Because his client Yanukovych was ousted and fled to Russia, to the city of Rostov. So Trump could also end up in Rostov. It is almost like an anecdote." -- Ukrainian political expert Oleg Kravchenko

Manafort’s entry into Ukrainian politics


Ukrainian political experts say Manafort, 67, was first hired to work in Ukraine more than a decade ago by the country’s wealthiest businessman, Rinat Akhmetov. Akhmetov, (right), a steel and iron ore magnate, is worth an estimated $2.8 billion, according to Forbes.

Officially, Manafort advised Akhmetov in 2005 on a corporate communication strategy for one of his companies, System Capital Management.

Akhmetov, however, also was a supporter of Viktor Yanukovych, the country’s prime minister, a leader of the Party of Regions and an ally of Vladimir Putin. Yanukovych became president in 2010, but fled under escort to Russia after Ukraine’s 2014 revolution.

Akhmetov told journalists that Manafort was recommended to him by an American law firm. According to information from Mustafa Nayyem, a former Ukrainian journalist and currently a member of parliament, Manafort was a protege of Oleg Deripaska, a Russian businessman with an estimated net worth of $3.5 billion.

Manafort’s work for Viktor Yanukovych

Experts say Manafort was unofficially invited to consult on Yanukovych’s first presidential campaign in December 2004, in the days of the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.

Yanukovych was competing with pro-Western opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, who was poisoned by dioxin during the campaign.

Once Yanukovych was announced as a winner, massive protests exploded. Eventually the results of the original runoff were invalidated and a re-vote was ordered.

As sources in Yanukovych’s circle claimed, Manafort was asked to "save" Yanukovych’s campaign and improve his image just two weeks before the new vote.

However, the American strategist said it was too late to change the situation. Yanukovych failed.

Manafort then was hired for the 2006 parliamentary elections campaign to help Yanukovych’s Party of Regions. According to Mustafa Nayyem, Yanukovych and Manafort first met one-to-one in the Czech resort town of Karlovy Vary.

The meeting was arranged by Akhmetov, who wanted Yanukovych to work with an American to repair his image as opposed to Gleb Pavlovsky, a Russian who advised Putin until 2011.

Akhmetov’s camp insisted on a partnership with American consultants. Other parts of Yanukovych’s team preferred the idea of collaborating with the Russians.

Akhmetov won out.

"It was advantageous for the defeated Yanukovych’s team to find a guilty one," Pavlovsky told PolitiFact.

The relationship lasted for years leading up to Yanukovych’s 2010 presidential campaign. Manafort made Yanukovych look more respectable, working with stylists and consultants to redesign his image.

The political consultant had another important mission -- to move Yanukovych closer to Washington. Yanukovych’s team wanted a photo of President Barack Obama with Yanukovych to show that Ukraine’s president was respected in the West.

"It was a weird thing for the people in Ukraine, because they could not imagine how an American strategist agreed to cooperate with Putin’s friend. It was confusing. But Manafort played a decisive role in the victory of Yanukovych," Ukrainian political expert Oleg Kravchenko told us.

Manafort’s work for Yanukovych and the Party of Regions was kept out of the media as Ukrainian politicians feared of accusations of meddling by the United States. They signed confidentiality agreements to protect the arrangement, and Manafort would not comment on his cooperation with Ukrainian politicians. He refused interviews from Ukrainian journalists, saying he was not a public figure. It’s unclear if Manafort speaks Ukrainian or Russian, but reporters would spot him at the posh InterContinental Kyiv hotel.

The Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment for this story, and the phone number listed for Manafort’s lobbying office has been disconnected.

In an April 24, 2016, interview on Fox News Sunday, Manafort described his role in Ukraine as helping align Yanukovych and his administration with Western interests.

"The role that I played in that administration was to help bring Ukraine into Europe, and we did," Manafort said. "We succeeded."

Manafort worked in Ukraine under the umbrella of his lobbying firm, Davis Manafort & Freeman, Inc. Manafort worked with a group of American political advisers in Ukraine, including expat Philip Griffin, top John McCain adviser Richard H. Davis, and former Ronald Reagan advance man Rick Ahearn.

"I am not here just for the election," Manafort said in 2007 in Ukraine. "I am trying to play a constructive role in developing a democracy. I am helping to build a political party."

It is unclear how much money Manafort earned while working in Ukraine because campaign payments are not public information. Mustafa Nayyem, the Ukrainian member of parliament, says the American strategist could have made anywhere from $2 million to $20 million during the 2006 parliamentary campaigns alone.

However, according to a 2008 U.S. Justice Department annual report, Manafort’s company received just $63,750 from Yanukovych's Party of Regions over a six-month period ending on March 31, 2008, for consulting services.

Ukrainian political analyst Igor Kushnir said it’s not unique for Manafort to work with a variety of politicians who hold different alliances.

"It is not strange that spin doctors work for the different political camps. For example, Manafort used to advise Ferdinand E. Marcos, the former Philippine dictator. Before that he coordinated Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign. The same story with all spin doctors. It is their job to consult all kind of politicians," Kushnir said.

Klitschko connection

Some Ukrainians believe Manafort remains active in local politics. After Yanukovych fled Ukraine in 2014, Manafort reportedly continued to work with Serhiy Lyovochkin, a former head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine for Yanukovych. He also still cooperates with the remnants of the Party of Regions, now called the Opposition Block, according to some reports.

Others believe Manafort’s role in national elections ended in 2014.

But journalists reported that Manafort advised the 2015 election campaign of Vitali Klitschko, the former professional boxer who was running for mayor of Kiev.

Klitschko wore a new Ukrainian police cap (which resembles an American one) on a presentation of the new police. It was the advice of the American consultant, journalists reported. Klitschko’s press officer denies the arrangement. "Manafort did not work for Klitschko," spokeswoman Oksana Zinovieva said.


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How old is old enough to vote?

Yes I was actually half sarcastic when I wrote that. The thing is I never ever mentionned any race or color of skin, just the retired. I just put it down on the context of the Brexit, that it is a fucking shame that a young generation gets their future fucked up by the decision of old non working class.

I did a bit of research last night after i saw your post in regards to Brexit. I concluded that the younger voters have no one but to blame than themselves for Brexit. Only 34% of voters under the age of 24 went to the polls. Had the younger voters got off their asses and take a break from playing their video games, Great Britain would likely still be part of the European Union for decades to come.

I hope Democrats, American women, blacks & hispanics realize what can happen if they don't go vote next November. I hope they realize that the stakes are high. Either the first female President will be elected, or the last American President.
 

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I hope Democrats, American women, blacks & hispanics realize what can happen if they don't go vote next November. I hope they realize that the stakes are high. Either the first female President will be elected, or the last American President.

We know he will get what is narrowly labelled as the Angry White Male vote. The funny thing about the threat Trump poses to Democracy is not that his supporter don't see it that way. It's that after the election so many feel he will become more rational and back away from the harsh views he continually throws out at every opportunity. They think it's all an act and he will become a reasonable thoughtful leader, like so many women I've known who think some serious asshole they are hot for who screws over any woman they get their hands on will become a good, loving, domesticated husband. There's a strong delusionalism within Trumps voters denying his long history and everything they he has done to show otherwise. Many of them don't know or dismiss his business failures, his sending jobs overseas, his insider lobbying, his sleazy treatment of women and all of the bigotry, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and so much more. They like the basics of his views and don't want or try to understand anything those views can lead to or his real capacity to implement them.

They think Trump is putting on an act he has no intention of implementing because they want someone who seems strong to redeem what they see as a terrible situation. Shades of the voters mindset in January 1933.
 

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Had the younger voters got off their asses and take a break from playing their video games, Great Britain would likely still be part of the European Union for decades to come.

Well Thank God for those lazy young voters. They just saved their nation from doing nothing. How many opportunities in life do you have to do that ?

Hopefully we have just as many Lazy women, blacks, and Hispanics in USA.
 

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Welcome to the beginning of the Shit Show aka the democratic national convention.

Let the Boos and Heckles Begin!

First debbie wassherman schultz earlier today and just a few minutes ago Bernie just got heckled and booed by his own supporters for telling them to vote killery into the white house :pound: Maybe, just maybe this wont be a bore fest (the dnc) but it is already starting to be the shit show of all shit shows! :)
 

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NEWS FLASH
Monica Lewinsky is quoted as saying that she will not endorse Hillary Clinton.
She Claims that Clinton can`t be trusted to do the right job.
The last time she had a responsible job she outsourced it to me said Lewinsky.
I blew it and it left a bad taste.
 

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NEWS FLASH
Monica Lewinsky is quoted as saying that she will not endorse Hillary Clinton.
She Claims that Clinton can`t be trusted to do the right job.
The last time she had a responsible job she outsourced it to me said Lewinsky.
I blew it and it left a bad taste.


That's hilarious. I love it. :lol:

Now change Lewinski to Trump and Hillary to Lyudmila Putin and it's even funnier. :thumb:
 

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Well Thank God for those lazy young voters. They just saved their nation from doing nothing. How many opportunities in life do you have to do that ?

Hopefully we have just as many Lazy women, blacks, and Hispanics in USA.

On the other hand, we're hoping there are as many lazy angry middle-aged white guys, bigots and racists in the USA come voting day. ;)
 

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They think Trump is putting on an act he has no intention of implementing because they want someone who seems strong to redeem what they see as a terrible situation. Shades of the voters mindset in January 1933.

I agree with your statement and it's exactly what i've been saying all along: the people who will vote Trump are exactly the same time type of voters who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1933. They had the same mindset and were desperate for change. But the change they hoped to get turned into a catastrophic nightmare!

The day Hitler was voted into office ended up changing the world forever.
 

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For your sake you should hope not, the witch is going to need every vote she can get to win this thing






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On the other hand, we're hoping there are as many lazy angry middle-aged white guys, bigots and racists in the USA come voting day. ;)
 

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C'mon Doc Cosby......saying the same political nonesense over and over does not make it become true, just ask your hero hillary, Lord knows she does not know the meaning of the word "truth"

Very loud at the dnc convention so far, then again when you have bernie supporters yelling at hillary supporters and vice versa, it is bound to be electric! Not a bore fest at all but very much a shit show as predicted ROFL!

I agree with your statement and it's exactly what i've been saying all along: the people who will vote Trump are exactly the same time type of voters who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1933. They had the same mindset and were desperate for change. But the change they hoped to get turned into a catastrophic nightmare!

The day Hitler was voted into office ended up changing the world forever.
 

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C'mon Doc Cosby......saying the same political nonesense over and over does not make it become true, just ask your hero hillary, Lord knows she does not know the meaning of the word "truth"

Very loud at the dnc convention so far, then again when you have bernie supporters yelling at hillary supporters and vice versa, it is bound to be electric! Not a bore fest at all but very much a shit show as predicted ROFL!

Watch it, Tommy...... ;)

I must admit that the Bernie supporters (which i am, by the way) attending the DNC are starting to remind me of Republicans. It's time to turn the page and concede defeat. Bernie wouldn't have won even if DWS hadn't supported Secretary Clinton.
 

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Crossing over

The Biggest GOP Names Backing Hillary Clinton

Some of the GOP’s best brains are now With Her. And, according to a source within the Clinton camp, highlighting Republicans who’ve crossed over will be a key fixture in campaign ads this fall.


by Eleanor Clift

The actor who voiced a 1964 ad raising alarm bells about Barry Goldwater says Trump “scares me” in an ad produced by the Clinton campaign.

“Trump says we need unpredictability when it comes to using nuclear weapons, what is that supposed to mean? When a man says that he sounds a lot like a threat to humanity.”

A character actor with a long list of credits (Melrose Place, Knots Landing, M.A.S.H.) William “Bill” Bogert did a remake of the “Confessions of a Republican” ad he made for Lyndon Johnson 52 years ago. Airing during last week’s GOP Convention, it is an open invitation to Republicans queasy about their nominee to come over to the other side and join Hillary Clinton.

There will be a more organized effort after the Democratic Convention, a campaign official told The Daily Beast, but they’re not yet ready to provide details.

It’s not surprising that the list of converts to Clinton leans toward national security types and former Republican Party or Bush officials. Currently elected GOP officials might be willing to say Never Trump, but taking the next step to Clinton is harder.

Robert Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century, spoke at a Hillary for America fundraiser this week. He told The Daily Beast, “I didn’t watch one second of the entire (GOP) Convention. I couldn’t bear it. I’m not that much of a glutton for punishment.”

Kagan broke with his party and changed his registration to Independent because of Trump, and not only over foreign policy. “His foreign policy is terrible, but my chief concern is more what he would do here. I fear what he would do to American democracy.” Kagan’s May 18 column about Trump in The Washington Post was titled, “This is how fascism comes to America.”

Unease about Trump has already drawn a number of big names from Republican ranks to support Clinton. As Democrats gather in Philadelphia for their convention, The Daily Beast offers this first definitive list of GOP bigwigs and former GOP officials, business leaders, thinkers and foreign policy analysts, some less well known than others, but indicative of what could be a stampede by November.

Brent Scowcroft, foreign policy adviser to four GOP presidents, said in a statement last month that Clinton “has the wisdom and experience to lead our country at this critical time.”

Henry Paulson Jr. former treasury secretary under President George W. Bush, said “Enough is enough. It’s time to put country before party and say it together: Never Trump.”

Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state to George W. Bush, told Politico last month, “If Donald Trump is the nominee, I would vote for Hillary Clinton.”

Ken Adelman, U.S. Arms Control director under Ronald Reagan, said “Not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but also I am not voting for any Republican who endorsed or supported Trump.”

Dr. Patrick Cronin, senior official at USAID during the W. Bush administration, who said, “Only one candidate has thought through America’s challenges… and is ready to be president, and I intend to vote for her—Hillary Clinton.”

Philip Levy, member of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisors, said, “Never Trump and I meant it. If Secretary Clinton is the only viable alternative, I would expect to support her.”

Tony Fratto, W. Bush administration deputy press secretary, said, “I’d prefer to have Hillary Clinton in the White House than Donald Trump.”

Kori Schake, former George W. Bush National Security official, said she is voting for @HillaryClinton.

Jim Cicconi, former White House staffer under Presidents Reagan and H.W. Bush, said in a statement, “Hillary Clinton is experienced, qualified, and will make a fine president. The alternative, I fear, would set our nation on a very dark path.”

Alan Steinberg, Bush administration regional EPA administrator, who worked with Clinton when she was New York senator, is voting for her and said, “She can work with people on the opposite side of the political aisle.”

Doug Elmets, former Reagan White House staffer, who worked with conservative icons Lee Atwater and Ed Rollins, said, “I can live with four years of Hillary Clinton before I could ever live with one day of Donald Trump as president.” This will be his first vote ever for a Democrat.

Max Boot, author and military historian, told Vox last month, “I am literally losing sleep over Donald Trump.” A lifelong Republican, he said he would vote for Hillary Clinton.

Retired Army Col. Peter Mansoor, former aide to David Petraeus, now a professor of military history at Ohio State University, told The Washington Post he thinks Trump is too dangerous to be president, and that Clinton will be “the first Democratic presidential candidate I’ve voted for in my adult life.”

Tom Nichols, Military College Professor and former GOP congressional staffer, @RadioFreeTom calls Clinton “a far more plausible Commander in Chief. And that’s all that matters now.”
Marc Andreesen, Silicon Valley venture capitalist and former Romney donor, said the idea of cutting off the flow of immigrants “makes me sick,” tweeting “#imwithher.”

Dan Akerson former General Motors CEO, says Clinton has “the experience and judgment to serve as an effective Commander in chief. In this election, I will cast my ballot for Secretary Clinton.”

Hamid Moghadam, Prologis CEO and immigrant from post-revolutionary Iran, says America is about tolerance and inclusion “and that’s why, as a lifelong Republican supporter, I endorse Hillary Clinton for president in this election.”

Douglas Brand, professor of political science at the College of the Holy Cross, wrote in Fortune Magazine, “To support Trump, we must sacrifice our principles and reconcile our minds to his. Better we should follow Hamilton’s example and support an opposing party whose principles we reject—and remain a principles party of opposition.”

Michael Vlock, Connecticut investor who has given nearly $5 million to Republicans in last two years, told The New York Times he won’t donate to Trump because “he is too selfish, flawed and unpredictable to hold the power of the presidency.”

William Oberndorf, California-based investor, who gave $3 million to Republicans in the last four years, told The New York Times that Trump is so unacceptable that he would vote for Clinton.

Mike Fernandez, a healthcare magnate and one of Jeb Bush’s billionaires in Florida, told the Miami Herald if the choice is between Trump and Clinton, “I’m choosing Hillary.”

Robert Smith, conservative former New York Supreme Court judge (and father of BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith), says he’s voting for a Democrat for president. He said it’s “the first time I’ve done it in 36 years, and I think the decision is easy. Hillary Clinton is the only responsible choice.”

Dan Webb, former U.S. attorney, told The Chicago Sun-Times that Trump is “not fit to be president” and he thinks “a huge volume of Republicans” are saying the same thing. He urged them to “get off the sidelines, give Hillary some money and support her because we can’t afford to let him become president.”

Larry Pressler, former South Dakota Republican senator, endorsed Clinton after the mass shooting in Orlando, citing her support for gun safety measures. “If someone had told me 10 years ago I would do this, I wouldn’t have believed them,” he told The Hill last month.

Arne Carlson, former Minnesota Republican governor, worked with Clinton when she was first lady and praised her for doing “something first ladies since Eleanor Roosevelt haven’t done. And that was engage in public policy… She really drove the healthcare debate, and that was the first concerted effort to demonize her, orchestrated by the insurance companies.”

Mark Salter, former top adviser to Sen. John McCain, told Real Clear Politics that Trump “possesses the emotional maturity of a 6-year-old,” and that he “views the powers of the presidency as weapons to punish people who’ve been mean to him—reporters, rival candidates, critics.”

Jamie Weinstein, Daily Caller editor, said in early May that if it’s Trump-Hillary with no serious third-party option, “there is just no question: I’d take a Tums and cast my ballot for Hillary.”

Mike Treiser, former Romney staffer, wrote on Facebook in early May, “In the face of bigotry, hatred, violence, and small-mindedness, this time, I’m with her.”

Evan Siegfried, Republican strategist, told the New York Daily News in early May, “I’m voting for GOP candidates in other races. But for the good of the country, I must do the unthinkable and say, I’m with her.”

Mark Lenzi, former spokesman for the New Hampshire GOP, told Manchester television station WMUR that he “wrestled with the decision for a long time” but as a former U.S. Fulbright Scholar on NATO, he finds Trump’s views toward Europe and our NATO allies dangerous. “There is a palpable fear in these countries about him becoming president.”

Craig Snyder, Republican lobbyist with Ikon Public Affairs, wrote in an email to fellow former staffers of the late Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, “I’ve been a Republican since high school and certainly never thought I would take any sort of public role in a Democratic presidential campaign, but I never imagined Donald Trump as the Republican nominee.”


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For your sake you should hope not, the witch is going to need every vote she can get to win this thing

80% of the women will vote for her (even Barbara Bush can't figure out why ANY woman would consider voting for Trump), 70-80% of hispanics and 100% blacks. University/college educated younger voters will overwhelmingly vote for her. Non-angry white men will also vote for her as much as they'll vote for Trump. The country and Secretary Clinton will be okay.

By the way, word out of the John Kasich camp is that Don Jr. approached Kasich two weeks ago with an offer: if he supported Trump and came to the convention, they'd name him as his running mate and would basically give him a free hand in running the country while Trump stood back and took the credit. Kasich supposedly told him to go to hell. Of course, Don Jr. and the Trump camp flatly denied the rumour.
 

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I totally agree with you my friend, they are smartening up, that is for sure. They are starting to realize what a witch the dem nominee really is. They are getting to know the fraud she really is and the liar she is not to mention the enabler to murder that she is. Scandal after scandal after scandal, that alone shows how crooked she and ole billy boy are and always have been and always will be, over 30 years worth, enuf is enough.


I must admit that the Bernie supporters (which i am, by the way) attending the DNC are starting to remind me of Republicans.
 

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Great convention so far!!! The Great Al Franken was absolutely hilarious!!!!!! Now it's Sarah Silverman!!! And i can't wait for the equally great Sen. Elizabeth Warren and later on, it's the First Lady, Michelle Obama!!

I'll bet you the unhappily married Milanija Trump will be watching and taking notes!!! :usa2:
 

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Who is sarah silverman anyways lol.....wasnt she jimmy kimmels ex? Just happened to flip it to the convention a few minures ago to see her dissing bernie sanders voters LOL, was absolutelly awesome to see her do that with a pissed off look of her face lol...good job sarah, that a way to "unite" :pound:

Holy crap, i barely recognised Eva Longoria even after the announcer said it was her :eek:
 

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I'd love to see Bernie Sanders speak at the convention. Yesterday he was on CNN and was extremely forceful about the need to vote against Trump who he called a dangerous threat to the U.S.. His appearance would be the coup of the convention.
 

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He's speaking right now.
 
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