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Doc Holliday

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Okay, i think i may need to be medicated. I miss Rudy Guiliani's screaming. What can i say? I've always loved horror movies! ;)
 

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Cuban is not a fortune teller, he is guessing like everyone else. Trump will motivate the red necks to believe that he can make America great again, but will it be enough to get him elected.
 

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I agree totally, but I would not trump with her knowing she's Trump prefered daughter ;)
 

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I'm watching this speech right now and i'm reminded of the Nuremberg Rally speech if it were in German. I challenge all of you to go on Youtube and look up the Nuremberg Rally and i dare you to tell me that there isn't a similarity.
 

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The US did very well under Obamas presidency considering the mess he inherited. Imagine what he could have done with just the slightest cooperation from the Republicans.

Exactly a mess created by his predecessor Bush... Whenever there is a right-wing conservative politician in power the country goes to shit.
 

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Much more similarity with Mussolini

Absolutely. My italian great-grandfather must have been rolling in his grave last night. He absolutely despised Benito Mussolini for the total disaster he wound up being for his country. But the italian people adored him at first, believed he was the savior the country needed at that time and took in all the bullshit he fed them. Terrible!
 

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You could be right about Hillary, I really don't care much for most politicians, in my mind they are all shady and lie to you all the time and most of what they tell you during election time is the same BS.
I tend to look at them more as people and there is something about Hillary that just comes across as fake to me. Perhaps she is just not a good speaker and has the wrong facial expressions.

That's because she isn't fake. She doesn't have the same charisma of other great and not-so great politicians. Which makes her real, while people mistake this for fakeness.

It's like sps. I've often said that the best sps are often the best actresses. The ones who say the right things, do the right things and have their clients believe that it isn't a business transaction....a fantasy.....that they almost feel like they're really with a girlfriend. Many if not most of the women in this business do not possess this talent and aren't as popular. It doesn't come as naturally to them. In my eyes, they are actually more legit being this way. It's more realistic and more real considering it's not always an easy 'job' to do. Same as acting. Same as being in politics.
 

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I grew up in an area heavily populated with Italian Americans and many of the older Italians who were born in Italy and lived there under Mussolini thought he was fantastic, even many years later long after his death. However the political opponents of Mussolini didn't fare so well. Mussolini was known to order incarceration of dissidents and for the jailers to force feed them Castor Oil, a powerful laxative which in some cases causes such severe diarrhea that the person who ingests it occasionally would die from dehydration. This is among other unpleasant effects the force feeding of Castor Oil induces.
 

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What Hilary Clinton did is nothing. Trump may have violated Federal Election Law by the plagiarism by Melania's speech.

What about the Trump University scandal? The case will only resume after the election is over and i'd be shocked if Trump isn't found guilty. If so, it'll cost him a lot of money and any normal citizen would go to prison for what he did.
 

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Trump University is a scam designed to get parents of wannabe Trumps to pay money. They aren't selling the education so much as the name. But as with any scam, the victims of the scam largely have themselves to blame and I don't feel particularly sorry for them. There are lots of people using their name or someone else's name to sell an inferior product or service. If you are a rational consumer you don't buy a product or service based on the name but rather based on the intrinsic quality of the product or service. The consumer who behaves irrationally gets what he or she deserves.
 

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In this election some people are buying a name, a bad attitude, and a lot of an End of the World type of fear mongering. An alleged businessman extraordinaire saved 4 time from bankruptcy whose only detail about anything he has guaranteed is "I'm Building A Wall". No other details have been given beyond the most grandiose dish-watery dreaming. The tooth fairy is more about reality than Donald I Love To Trumpet-myself.

That's right a self-obsessed egotist who pumps his name all over the planet, scams wannabes, attempts to pressure women for sex, and acts like a ghetto punk is going to permanently change the relationship between police and African Americans, stop terrorists posing as Islamic reformers, end crime, bring American jobs to America (including the ones he gave to China and elsewhere), and solve European international disputes by offering Putin and other dictators more freedom to do as they please...all promised as soon as he takes office.

I'm not a Hillary fan any more than most but how can anyone back a delinquent wannabe god.

Seriously. Ivanka would be a far more capable choice. Too bad Donald Dump can't take credit for raising his own kids...though he would anyway.
 

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Seriously. Ivanka would be a far more capable choice. Too bad Donald Dump can't take credit for raising his own kids...though he would anyway.

The only thing people learned at the recent RNC is that Ivanka, Don Jr and Eric Trump would all be better candidates than their father. Many watching the RNC were left wondering "is the wrong Trump running in the election?"
 

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The Gross Old Party

Donald Trump Drags GOP Into Very Ugly Territory

The ‘again’ in ‘Make America Great Again’ is all you need to know that Trump’s party is a party of the past, not the future.

by Jonathan Alter

It’s tough judging Donald Trump on a historical continuum. We’ve never before seen an unsmiling nominee hectoring and fear-mongering for more than an hour. William Jennings Bryan came close as the Democratic nominee in 1896, though at least his Cross of Gold speech was eloquent.

But there are echoes across the generations. Trump’s speech was a cross between Richard Nixon’s “law and order” code words for race, Pat Buchanan’s gross distortion of immigration and trade, and Bill Clinton’s clever effort to shift the focus of the campaign from him (a flawed candidate) to “you.”

The ugliness at the core of the Trump candidacy—perfumed by his attractive children—came through in his Mussolini delivery and of course when his Banana Republican Hillary-hating audience couldn’t resist what for many onlookers became the signature line of the 2016 Republican Convention: “Lock Her Up!”

But for me, the key line of the convention came not from Trump or his angry mob but from his wife. It was a fraudulent line—in more ways than one—and it symbolized everything that has happened to the GOP in this fateful political year.

On the first night of the convention, Melania Trump said that her husband has always believed that “you treat people with dignity and respect.” This was in the part of the speech that was plagiarized from Michelle Obama, but as long as they were at it, the Trump speechwriters should have stolen the whole Michelle Obama quote, which was: “you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them and even if you don’t agree with them.”

The active toxic agent in the poison infecting our body politic is lack of basic respect for people outside his family and close friends. Even an incomplete bill of particulars is very long, from Trump telling Larry King on the air in the 1980s that “you have bad breath,” to offering a reward for Barack Obama’s college transcripts to “prove” that the president wasn’t smart, to mocking a disabled reporter, to sliming a fine Latino judge, to suggesting the Republican director of the FBI is corrupt for protecting Hillary Clinton, to insulting a billion Muslims, which is not exactly the best way to improve American intelligence in the Middle East, the only halfway specific policy proposal in Trump’s entire acceptance speech.

The sea of vulgarity has numbed us to the truth—that the Grand Old Party under Trump has drifted far away from the party of John McCain, who in 2008 admonished a supporter that while Barack Obama was wrong on the issues, he deserved our respect. It has drifted far out of bounds, and flouted the norms of a civilized society. Today’s GOP is the Gauche Old Party, sometimes even the Gross Old Party.

At least the “old” part is consistent. As usual at a Republican convention, the delegates were overwhelmingly white and affluent. But they were also awfully long in the tooth. Only two percent of the delegates were under 30. The “again” in “Make America Great Again” is all you need to know that Trump’s party is a party of the past, not the future.

But is it even really the party of the past? We’ve seen surges of xenophobia going back to the Know-Nothing Party of the 1850s. And authoritarian demagogues—preaching a narrow “Americanism”—occasionally catch a wave. William Randolph Hearst, Douglas MacArthur, Ross Perot and Buchanan were all mentioned as Republican candidates. (Bigots like Strom Thurmond and George Wallace afflicted the Democrats, before bolting for independent bids).

But none of these men managed to win a major party nomination.

For most of the postwar era, the GOP has resisted demagogues and helped build a bipartisan structure of civil rights, respectful debate and collective security through global alliances that Trump—if his interview this week in The New York Times is to be believed—would casually cast aside after 70 years of success in preventing another world war.

The GOP has a grander history than many liberals would admit. In 1940, Republicans meeting in Philadelphia rejected isolationist politicians and—contrary to Philip Roth’s novel, The Plot Against America—weren’t tempted by Charles A. Lindbergh and his anti-Semitic “America First” campaign, the slogan now adopted by Trump. The nominee that year was Wendell Wilkie, a businessman, and that’s where the similarities to Trump end. Wilkie was a cultured internationalist who later wrote a book titled One World.

The nominee in 1944 and 1948 was Thomas E. Dewey, a former prosecutor and governor of New York who attacked Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman but left the conspiracy theories and personal nastiness to fringe elements in the party. In the 1950s, Dwight D. Eisenhower set a moderate tone and, belatedly, made sure the party steered clear of demagogues like Senator Joseph McCarthy. (McCarthy’s top aide and sleazy doppelgänger—Roy Cohn—became Trump’s mentor in New York in the 1970s).

Richard Nixon used Roger Stone—the smash-mouth agitator now at Trump’s side—Charles Colson and others for the skullduggery that cost him the presidency. But his public persona, even as a red-hunter, wasn’t nearly as nasty and personal as Trump’s. (His speechwriter, Ray Price, always strove for a civil tone in his public speeches.) Barry Goldwater embraced “extremism in defense of liberty” but avoided personal attacks. Ronald Reagan was extremely hard on Jimmy Carter, but it was on issues like the Panama Canal. George H.W. Bush hired Lee Atwater, who convinced him to turn his 1988 opponent, Michael Dukakis, into something vaguely unAmerican.

But when Pat Buchanan gave a Trumpian speech at the 1992 convention, the party recoiled. The consensus, as one pundit famously put it: “It probably sounded better in its original German.”

All of which means we are in terra incognito— a new place where authoritarians (Trump told the Times he doesn’t care at all about human rights), grifters (convention speakers who made their fortunes selling nutritional supplements, sketchy real estate deals and extreme fighting), opportunists politicizing tragedy, and conspiracy-mongers have moved from the fringes to the doorstep of huge power.

Lost amid Ted Cruz’s politically suicidal gambit was that Cruz had a point. Are we really going to elect a president who peddles the theory that Cruz’s father was on the grassy knoll in Dallas in 1963, part of the Kennedy assassination?

In accepting his party's nomination, Trump thought he was moving to the center on LGBT rights, women’s rights, and trade.

But he was more palpably moving down, into the murky depths of demagoguery where we have all feared to tread before.


Trump drags GOP into very ugly territory
 

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What about the Trump University scandal? The case will only resume after the election is over and i'd be shocked if Trump isn't found guilty. If so, it'll cost him a lot of money and any normal citizen would go to prison for what he did.

Yep I remember that. But according to Daydreamer41 Hilary is the biggest villain and Trump is such a great politician. Loool
 

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Like it or not. the reality is that Trump will beat Clinton.

Not if people go vote. Trump won't get the women vote. Trump won't get the black vote. Trump won't get the hispanic vote. He won't get the college/university-educated voters. He also won't get the LGBT group. You need those groups to win today.

The only vote that Trump is definitely getting is the middle-aged angry white man vote. Sure, he also gets 100% of the bigots and racists vote, but they are in a minority.

Trump won't get New York & New Jersey. He won't get California. He likely won't get Virginia once Tim Kaine gets the VP nod later today or tomorrow. Those are key states. I'd be very surprised if Trump got Ohio after insulting very popular Governor John Kasich and for any Republican to win the Presidency, Ohio has always been a must-win.

The money is on the Democrats. Next week's DNC should be great and will easily make the recent RNC look very amateurish in comparison.

p.s. Eric & Ivanka Trump won't even vote for The Donald.
 
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