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Doc Holliday

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HAHAHA! don't like it when you get back what you give eh my friend lol..........

You give me too much credit. I simply retaliate. I'm rarely the instigator. But it's okay, i'm used to it. ;) [/QUOTE]

It is ok, you have your views and i have mine. Debates are good, they never change anyones minds (or rarely) but show passion and that is a good thing.

I agree. And although we don't have much in common, we do get along....as long as we don't bring politics and religion into our conversations, right? ;)

Enjoy the rest of the shit show tonight in philly, Mister H!

;)

Thanks!!! You too!!! You can't miss President Clinton's speech, which will likely be another great one....as long as his voice isn't failing him, that is. Talk to you tonight! :)
 

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Silverman: 'Ridiculous' remark was unscripted

by Eric Bradner, CNN

PHILADELPHIA - Comedian Sarah Silverman said her on-stage denunciation Monday night of Bernie Sanders supporters who aren't yet backing Hillary Clinton as "ridiculous" was unplanned.

"No, it wasn't scripted at all," she told CNN's Jake Tapper in an interview alongside Minnesota Sen. Al Franken, himself a former comedian.
She said it occurred because, "like an old-timey movie," Democrats were ahead of schedule so a stagehand was encouraging her and Franken to stretch their introduction to musician Paul Simon.

At the Democratic National Convention, Silverman had said to "Bernie-or-bust" people: "You're being ridiculous."

Silverman said she thinks the Vermont senator convinced most of his supporters -- except "fundamentalists" who are "nutso" -- to back Clinton.

"Well, if Sanders can't convince his own supporters, then who can?" she said.

She also explained her shift during the Democratic primary from supporting Clinton to backing Sanders, and now once again backing Clinton.
"I think most Sanders supporters are reasonable people who think, you know, Bernie and Hillary have so much in common. They have a lot of the same values," she said.
 

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So what have we learned from Sanders and Trump pertaining to what they both agree on? A Rigged System......i actually feel bad for ole Bernie, he got shafted BIG TIME!

Trump fought the system tooth and nail and won the nominee. cLinton had backers on the inside to "make sure" she won the nominee....yea, i want a corrupt person like that to win the vote for leader of the free world....disgusting. I hope Bernie supporters protest like crazy in philly and come to their senses and either A) do not vote at all on election day or B) throw up their middle fingers at killery and vote Trump or even Johnson or even for Doc Holliday or Smuler! It would be the ultimate diss to the witch and the rigged democratic establishment and really, the rigged political establishment.

Bern baby bern :pound:

1.) What specific actions did the DNC take to screw Bernie over? Other than internal emails sent between DNC members what concrete actions were taken by the DNC to favour Hillary?

2.) Why is Donald thanking his Russian friends for doing this? Do you think old Vladdy might have a preference for Donald? Does that not bother you?

3.) Do alarm bells ever go off in your head when you are getting rolled?
 

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I totally agree with you my friend, they are smartening up, that is for sure. They are starting to realize what a witch the dem nominee really is. They are getting to know the fraud she really is and the liar she is not to mention the enabler to murder that she is. Scandal after scandal after scandal, that alone shows how crooked she and ole billy boy are and always have been and always will be, over 30 years worth, enuf is enough.

fake scandal after fake scandal.... corrected that for you....

She probably holds the record for the number of congressional investigations that have found 0 evidence of wrongdoing...

Some would conclude that the charges were all bullshit and then there are conservatives...
 

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Doc, why did you erase your post again? The one about DWS being hired by her par hillary minutes after the scam of rigging votes for her was discovered? Oh wait, you actually did a little research and took you about 2 seconds eh, since it is all over the news (the ones who do not cover things like this up) and all over social media. That is why i did not post a link, gotta let you do some work for yourself, it builds character my friend :)

yes... "Honorary Chair" of her 50 State Strategy to elect down-ballot Democrats... sounds important... :rolleyes:
 

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1.) What specific actions did the DNC take to screw Bernie over? Other than internal emails sent between DNC members what concrete actions were taken by the DNC to favour Hillary?

2.) Why is Donald thanking his Russian friends for doing this? Do you think old Vladdy might have a preference for Donald? Does that not bother you?

3.) Do alarm bells ever go off in your head when you are getting rolled?

All valid points. But the people getting their news from Batshit Mountain live in a different reality than most people. I'm not even certain that Barak Obama is the US President in their alternate reality.
 

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fake scandal after fake scandal.... corrected that for you....

She probably holds the record for the number of congressional investigations that have found 0 evidence of wrongdoing...

Some would conclude that the charges were all bullshit and then there are conservatives...

Let me point something out....something that people living in the 'bubble' are not aware of. Of course, it's never mentioned on Batshit Mountain, their main news source:

Under President George W. Bush:

-13 US embassies were attacked
-60 people died in those attacks
-0 Congressional hearings
-None of them made front page news

Of course, the wingnuts are in total denial of this and believe that the first time an embassy was ever attacked occurred only under President Obama.

We've often heard wingnuts and other so-called 'conservatives' say that Secretary Clinton was an accessory to the murders of those 4 people at the Benghazi compound. If you use the same logic they use, then Colin Powell and Condoleezaa Rice were also accessory to murder since the embassy attacks and resulting deaths during Bush's years occurred under their watch.

So i ask you: using the same logic, are Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice guilty of accessory to murder??

I laugh out loud when i hear them all say that Benghazi b.s. wasn't politically-motivated. It was a witch hunt! Had Hillary Clinton not run for POTUS, i doubt much would have been done or said about Benghazi, where 4 people died in a terrorist attack. They way they've been going about this you'd think 1000 people died in that unexpected attack!
 

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Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email

The GOP nominee's comments faced bipartisan disagreement, with Paul Ryan's office calling on Vladimir Putin to 'stay out' of the presidential election.

By Tyler Pager

Donald Trump invited Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails on Wednesday, asking them to find “the 30,000 emails that are missing” from the personal server she used during her time as secretary of state.

“It would be interesting to see, I will tell you this, Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

The discussion of Russia and Vladimir Putin comes amid Democratic accusations that Russia was behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee's emails. Trump said that's a "sideshow" to distract from the contents of the emails. Trump later suggested Russia or China could have been responsible for the hacks, but maintained that the culprit is unknown. The hack, he added, was a “total sign of disrespect.”

Trump added to his suggestions to Russia following the press conference via his Twitter account. "If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!," he tweeted.

The Clinton campaign called Trump's comments a threat to national security.

"This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent," Hillary for America policy adviser Jake Sullivan said in a statement. "That's not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue."
Beyond the Clinton campaign, Trump's comments faced immediate bipartisan disapproval.

House Speaker Paul Ryan's office disagreed with Trump, with Ryan spokesman Brendan Buck saying "Russia is a global menace led by a devious thug. Putin should stay out of this election."

Former CIA director Leon Panetta condemned Trump's comments. "I find those kinds of statements to be totally outrageous because you’ve got now a presidential candidate who is in fact asking the Russians to engage in American politics. I just think that’s beyond the pale. There’s a lot of concerns I have with his qualities of leadership or lack thereof and I think that kind of statement only reflects the fact that he truly is not qualified to be president of the United States. "

In a statement released shortly after the press conference, Trump's running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, had what appears to be a differing response, noting the FBI was investigating the DNC hack and that if Russia was involved, "I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences."

Pence criticized Democrats for focusing on the source of the hack rather than its contents, saying the revelation that the DNC aided Clinton in her primary battle with Bernie Sanders should be disqualifying for the candidate.

Newt Gingrich, a Trump supporter who was on the short list to be Trump's running mate, said on Twitter that Trump's suggestion Russia was in jest and said the focus should be on Clinton's use of a private email server. "The media seems more upset by Trump's joke about Russian hacking than by the fact that Hillary's personal server was vulnerable to Russia," he tweeted.

(Jason Miller, Trump's communications adviser, referred inquiries about Gingrich's claim it was a joke to Trump's tweet. "Trump speaks for Trump," he wrote. He also said there was "no daylight" between what Trump and Pence said about Russian hacking.)

Trump and Clinton, as their party's nominees, will begin receiving classified intelligence briefings in the next few days. Trump Wednesday said Clinton should not be given that information because she could not be trusted to keep it private.

Trump also doubled down his commitment to improving relations with Russia.

He seemingly said he would consider recognizing Crimea — a piece of territory that was part of the Ukraine but is now claimed by Russia and under its influence — as Russian territory. He said he would consider lifting sanctions on Russia as well.

"We'll be looking at that. Yeah, we'll be looking," Trump said in response to a reporter's question about his policy on the conflict between Russia and the Ukraine.

“President Trump would be so much better for U.S.-Russian relations. You can't be worse,” he said. He later added, “One thing that I've always heard is you never want to do anything to unite Russia and China. Well, they're united now in a true sense. They've never been closer. They're selling oil to China. We forced them into this position.”

Trump later put down rumors that he has business ties to Russia, saying that he has sold condos to Russians in the United States, but said he has not worked with the Russian government.

“I have nothing to do with Russia,” he said. “I said that Putin has much better leadership qualities than Obama, but who doesn't know that?"

Trump's statements follow a morning in which President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden both hammered the GOP nominee on his foreign policy views and knowledge. In separate TV interviews Wednesday, both the president and vice president painted the picture of a presidential candidate dangerously in over his head on foreign policy, an ignoramus who shows little interest in developing an understanding of the world on the fly.

“Set aside the nuclear code. What I think is scary is a president who doesn't know their stuff and doesn't seem to have an interest in learning what they don't know,” Obama said in a pre-taped interview that aired Wednesday morning on NBC’s “Today.”

During his press conference, Trump downplayed his connection to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. … I never met Putin.” (Trump's "one nice thing" comment is likely a reference to his assertion that Putin called him a "genius," a claim the Washington Post's fact checker said was false.)

He had previously said during a Republican presidential primary debate that there were “stablemates” and he got to know him “very well” when they were both interviewed for 60 Minutes. However, it was quickly pointed out that Putin and Trump were interviewed in different countries and Trump then sought to clarify his comments, tweeting “I only said I was on @60Minutes four weeks ago with Putin — never said I was in Green Room. Separate pieces—great ratings!”

He added, “I would treat Vladimir Putin firmly, but there is nothing I can think of that I would rather do than half Russia friendly as opposed to the way they are right now so that we can go knockout ISIS together with other people and other countries,” he said. “Wouldn't it be nice if we got along with people?”


Trump urges Russia to hack into Clinton's email
 

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Trump the TRAITOR!!! Reagan Republicans would have said YES. Calling on a Russian dictator who has already made war on his neighbors to hack into American government files is an act of duplicity in treason. Does anyone think Putin would stop with Hillary's emails. You'd have to be feeble minded to think so. Let's not forget Putin made his way through the KGB and became Director of the Federal Security Service which is the successor of the KGB. Trump now welcomes this head of spies to break into U.S. files...and he won't stop to see whose files they are if he succeeds.

Then again Trump had shown consistent admiration for the most dangerous kind of dictators Kim Jong Un and more.

Trump-Traitor.

To his great credit Trump's VP running mate Mike Pence sees the hacking issue the much the same way I do:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-deleted-clinton-emails/ar-BBuX2ad?li=BBnb7Kz

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump encouraged Russia on Wednesday to find and make public missing emails deleted by his presidential opponent, Hillary Clinton, setting off an instant debate over hacking and his urging of a foreign government to meddle in American politics.


Shortly after Trump's extraordinary remarks, his Republican running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, took a different tack and warned of "serious consequences" if Russia interfered in the election.

They came as the Democrats met on the third day of their national convention in Philadelphia, where Clinton will accept the presidential nomination Thursday night to face Republican Trump in November.



Trump's comments raised the question of whether he was condoning foreign government hacking of U.S. computers and the public release of information stolen from political adversaries — actions that are at least publicly frowned upon across the globe. His brief remarks managed to divert attention from an embarrassing leak of other hacked emails that exposed sensitive internal political communications that had divided Democrats.


This has to be a huge embarrassment for Pence and other Republicans to have their Presidential candidate asking a Russian dictator to interfere in American politics and hack into American government systems. I'm sure they're biting their lips trying not to scream something akin to TRAITOR!

You have to ask...what else would Trump do for the Russians.
 

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Has there ever been a better two nights of any conventions where we've so many absolutely great speeches????? Whew!!!!!!!!!


Sarah Silverman gave a very good speech last night. Bernie Sanders was fantastic. Michelle Obama was absolutely great and gave one of the best convention speeches ever!!! President Bill Clinton told a hell of a great story and was equally great!!! But he's always great, so i was used to it!

Tonight, Leon Panetta was very good!!! Tim Kaine was also very good!!!! Michael Bloomberg was ever better!!! Joe Biden was absolutely fantastic!!!! And believe it or not, President Barak Obama was even better than Biden!!!!!! OMG!!!!! This has to be the all-time greatest night for all-time great speeches!!!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:


I must admit that i love America and i love Americans!!!!!!! America is a great country and no other country comes close!!!! I doubted you guys, but after tonight......AMERICA IS ONCE AGAIN AS GREAT AS IT EVER WAS IN MY HEART!!!!!!!!! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
 

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You have to ask...what else would Trump do for the Russians.

Before the end of his presidency our supreme ruler the Donald would've gotten us a great deal on lowering the debt having sold Alaska to Russia.

I hope our Canadian friends are ready to build a wall.
 

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I have to admit that while I tend to avoid the political side of things on these boards, 3 things stand out this week vs. last:

1. The speeches from several of the people were very inspiring. The NJ congressman, both Obamas & Bill Clinton, quite inspiring. The DNC really did benefit by having some A-list public speaking powerhouses. You may not agree with the politics, but damn, those 3 are just great public speakers. The eye-opener was the NJ congressman. Biden was good, sticking to what's true about him (middle class, impassioned, sometimes very blunt, but direct comes off as authentic with him given his history). I wasn't as much a fan of Kaine's speech as Biden's - Biden's came off as more like his normal, aw shucks self, where as Kaine's was more scripted IMO as the attacking VP candidate.

2. Michael Bloomberg coming in as an independent to support Clinton and take on Trump's record, given his business background, may very well prove to be very damning for Trump.

3. Most of the negative attacks on Trump ring a little rich (Michelle Obama's "when someone goes low, we go high" - her husband & Clinton's speech followed that nicely, Kaine not so much, Biden's was good, except the "not a clue, period" (only needed to say "not a clue about foreign policy", and that would have been OK IMO), much like the Clinton attacks by the RNC came off quite rich as well. The 2 points on Trump that show very poorly for him - that really bad decision to mock the NY Post reporter (that's a PR nightmare), and his 6 bankruptcies and how they made the "middle class" he supports take pennies on the dollar for work done.

Having said that, Clinton's a candidate whose greatest weakness isn't her experience or qualifications (from that perspective, she is very qualified), it's the intangible lack of trust she's been able to secure from the American public. In that respect, the Obamas, Clinton & Biden are crucial to her, but if she had even half of their public speaking ability, I think this race would be a lock. In that respect, how she starts her campaign tonight, will be interesting to watch.
 

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Before the end of his presidency our supreme ruler the Donald would've gotten us a great deal on lowering the debt having sold Alaska to Russia.

I hope our Canadian friends are ready to build a wall.

It wouldn't surprise me if it happens. As for the 'wall', my American cousins who want to escape Trump's lunacy if he unfortunately ever gets elected should hurry if they want to relocate to Canada since that 'wall' will be coming up fast and we won't even ask him to pay for it!
 

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I agree with what you are saying, but it is going to be interesting tomorrow night to see if Hillary is anything but the world's most fortunate sock puppet. She got to where she is because her husband was a popular president and she is now being propped up by all of these great orators. She got the no nomination because Democrats realized they cannot actually elect a damn socialist as the nominee for president. And she may well win the general election because people realize they cannot elect someone who may well be mentally ill. But I have never seen someone be nominated for president who seems to offer absolutely no specific ideas or plans as to what he/she would propose to do in the first 100 days of being sworn in. All she does is irritatingly talk about cracking the glass ceiling. It should be interesting tomorrow to see if she can actually deliver a good nomination speech and offer something specific.

Let me address each of your points:

-I disagree that she got to 'where she is' because of her extremely popular husband. Sure, he was an extremely popular President and deserves all the accolades. But if you know the Clintons' history, you are fully aware that he likely never would have become President were it not for her. She saved his political ass so many times, even back in their days in Arkansas. She was also his unofficial #1 advisor when he was POTUS. She worked hard for everything she earned and if she ever becomes POTUS, i'll say "it's about time!" She also is more qualified at this time than Bill or Obama ever were when they first became POTUS. Even the former GOP head said last week that "she's highly qualified" to be POTUS.

-I disagree that Democrats realized they couldn't elect a 'damn socialist' and that's why they picked her. Bernie Sanders outpolls Trump in various polls. And what's wrong with electing a President with socialist tendencies? Canada and other civilized countries have elected such politicians for as long as i can remember. That's why many Americans who frequently travel to Canada don't realize many of them would be extremely happy should they ever reside permanently in Canada: it's a social democrat country full of 'socialist' programs, price for gas is very high, and nearly half of your revenue goes to the taxman. Even American liberals would have a hard time coping with this.

-I do agree that Trump is or may be mentally ill. His father did have Alzheimers, and it's hereditary. The comment about Tim Kaine the other day (when Trump said he was a bad governor in New Jersey and wasn't liked, etc) really made you question his mental state. Tom Keane (pronounced 'Kane') was once Governor of NJ. Wrong guy.

-It's well understood that the first few years of her Presidency will be to continue the current policies President Obama and his cabinet has put in place. The country is on the right track. Of course, if someone gets their news from Batshit Mountain and other right wing media all the time, they'll firmly believe that the country is going to the dogs!

-At least she released her taxes, something every Presidential candidate in the modern era has done. Trump refuses to release his because he has a lot to hide. I've heard it's probably because he doesn't pay income tax. I've also heard it'll make him a liar (in regards to all the 'donations' he supposedly makes). But now i'm hearing that they'd show he's doing business with some of the world's biggest dictators, among them Vladimir Putin, whom he idolizes.

-I'm convinced the speech she'll give tonight will be a very good one. Sure, it'll be very hard to beat Obama's speech, Michelle Obama's, Joe Biden's, etc. But she'll do well. No worries there.
 

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I have to admit that while I tend to avoid the political side of things on these boards, 3 things stand out this week vs. last:

1. The speeches from several of the people were very inspiring. The NJ congressman, both Obamas & Bill Clinton, quite inspiring. The DNC really did benefit by having some A-list public speaking powerhouses. You may not agree with the politics, but damn, those 3 are just great public speakers. The eye-opener was the NJ congressman. Biden was good, sticking to what's true about him (middle class, impassioned, sometimes very blunt, but direct comes off as authentic with him given his history). I wasn't as much a fan of Kaine's speech as Biden's - Biden's came off as more like his normal, aw shucks self, where as Kaine's was more scripted IMO as the attacking VP candidate.

2. Michael Bloomberg coming in as an independent to support Clinton and take on Trump's record, given his business background, may very well prove to be very damning for Trump.

3. Most of the negative attacks on Trump ring a little rich (Michelle Obama's "when someone goes low, we go high" - her husband & Clinton's speech followed that nicely, Kaine not so much, Biden's was good, except the "not a clue, period" (only needed to say "not a clue about foreign policy", and that would have been OK IMO), much like the Clinton attacks by the RNC came off quite rich as well. The 2 points on Trump that show very poorly for him - that really bad decision to mock the NY Post reporter (that's a PR nightmare), and his 6 bankruptcies and how they made the "middle class" he supports take pennies on the dollar for work done.

Having said that, Clinton's a candidate whose greatest weakness isn't her experience or qualifications (from that perspective, she is very qualified), it's the intangible lack of trust she's been able to secure from the American public. In that respect, the Obamas, Clinton & Biden are crucial to her, but if she had even half of their public speaking ability, I think this race would be a lock. In that respect, how she starts her campaign tonight, will be interesting to watch.

All valid points. I'd like to add that i learned something yesterday that i wasn't aware of: Michael Bloomberg, who knows Donald Trump very well and who called him mentally unstable last night, is at least 10 to 100 wealthier than Trump according to reports. Mark Cuban even alluded to this fact recently in stating that he himself is a lot wealthier than Trump and offered reasons why he (as a billionaire) knows this. He basically referred to Trump as a big fraud.
 

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..........pants on fire.
One thing is for sure. Trump has been caught in more lies than Clinton.
The guy has no sense of humour and a thin skin.
Anyone who can`t laugh at themselves can`t be taken seriously.
If Trump is elected President.....then there would be no place in the world to hide from disaster.
 

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One of the most important speakers last night was Michael Bloomberg who has always been openly independent in his thinking and cannot be dismissed as a toady party partisan. He's also an extremely successful business magnate worth enough ($47 billion) to own Trump as an old footstool. Bloomberg has the added insight of having dealt with Trump to be respected and know what he is talking about. Here's some of what he said last night about Trump:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/michael-bloomberg-dem-convention-speech/


"I'm a New Yorker, and New Yorkers know a con when we see one," he said to cheers from the audience.



"We've heard a lot of talk in this campaign about needing a leader who understands business. I couldn't agree more. I've built a business, and I didn't start it with a million-dollar check from my father," he said in a slam to the real estate mogul's background.


"Throughout his career, Trump has left behind a well-documented record of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, angry shareholders and contractors who feel cheated, and disillusioned customers who feel ripped off," Bloomberg said. "Trump says he wants to run the nation like he's run his business. God help us."

As I've pointed out and as President Obama pointed out last night, when you want to know how or if a person will come through on what he/she promises you look at their track record. Trump being about 70 has had a lifetime to show who he is. Yet his public service record is about non-existent. He's spent a lifetime chasing money, living apart from those he promises to help after having done just about nothing except work hard to enrich himself.

How can a person born with a golden spoon, who lives in penthouse luxury, and whose most pressing desire is to brand his name on everything care for or help the middle class or Americans in general. Well, sending jobs overseas is a prime example of those promises.



 
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