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They have chosen Trump and it is time to give him a chance, it will be interesting to watch how he does when he will be under the microscope daily.

Okay. Give him a chance. Let's see if he follows through on his promises he said he would ABSOLUTELY fulfill for the country to "Make America Great Again". Remember one of the really big ones to get rid of all corrupt special interest groups/lobbyists in Washington and end this RIGGED SYSTEM against the American people.

Trump Campaigned Against Lobbyists. Now They’re on His Transition Team.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3?li=BBnb7Kz


WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.

Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.
Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.

Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.

Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.

The president-elect’s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, declined a request for comment, as did nearly a dozen corporate executives, consultants and lobbyists serving on his transition team, which was outlined in a list distributed widely in Washington on Thursday.

A number of the people on that list are well-established experts with no clear interest in helping private-sector clients. But to critics of Mr. Trump — both Democrats and Republicans — the inclusion of advisers with industry ties is a first sign that he may not follow through on all of his promises.

“This whole idea that he was an outsider and going to destroy the political establishment and drain the swamp were the lines of a con man, and guess what — he is being exposed as just that,” said Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush before becoming a speechwriter for George W. Bush. “He is failing the first test. And he should be held accountable for it.”

Transition teams help new presidents pick the new cabinet, as well as up to 4,000 political appointees who will take over top posts in agencies across the government. President Obama, after he was first elected, instituted rules that prohibited individuals who had served as a registered lobbyist in the prior year from serving as a transition adviser in the areas in which they represented private clients. They were also prohibited, after the administration took power, from lobbying in the parts of the government they helped set up.

“They wanted to make sure that people were not putting their thumb on the scale, or even the perception of that,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, the director of a nonprofit group called the White House Transition Project, which has studied two decades of presidential transitions.

Among the advisers assisting Mr. Trump who have no clear private-sector ties are Brian Johnson, a top lawyer for the House Financial Services Committee, who is helping to pick top staff members for the federal government’s many financial services agencies.

Edwin Meese, who served as attorney general under Mr. Reagan and is now associated with the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank, is helping oversee management and budget issues, along with Kay Coles James, a Bush administration official who now runs an institute that trains future African-American leaders.

Former Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan, who served as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee until 2014 and was once a special agent in the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is overseeing issues related to national security, including the intelligence agencies and the Department of Homeland Security.

But in other areas, most notably the energy sector, the transition team advisers are far from independent.

Mr. Catanzaro’s client list is a who’s who of major corporate players — such as the Hess Corporation and Devon Energy — that have tried to challenge the Obama administration’s environmental and energy policies on issues such as how much methane gas can be released at oil and gas drilling sites, lobbying disclosure reports show.

He also worked with oil industry players to help push through major legislation goals, such as allowing the export of crude oil. He will now help pick Mr. Trump’s energy team.

Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.

Advisers with ties to other industries include Martin Whitmer, who is overseeing “transportation and infrastructure” for the Trump transition. He is the chairman of a Washington law firm whose lobbying clients include the Association of American Railroads and the National Asphalt Pavement Association.

David Malpass, the former chief economist at Bear Stearns, the Wall Street investment bank that collapsed during the 2008 financial crisis, is overseeing the “economic issues” portfolio of the transition, as well as operations at the Treasury Department. Mr. Malpass now runs a firm called Encima Global, which sells economic research to institutional investors and corporate clients.

Mr. Eisenach, as a telecommunications industry consultant, has worked to help major cellular companies fight back against regulations proposed by the Federal Communications Commission that would mandate so-called net neutrality — requiring providers to give equal access to their networks to outside companies. He is now helping to oversee the rebuilding of the staff at the F.C.C.

Dan DiMicco, a former chief executive of the steelmaking company Nucor, who now serves on the board of directors of Duke Energy, is heading the transition team for the Office of the United States Trade Representative. Mr. DiMicco has long argued that China is unfairly subsidizing its manufacturing sector at the expense of American jobs.

In his campaign, Mr. Trump promised to take steps to close the so-called revolving door, through which government officials leave their posts and then personally profit by helping private companies reap rewards from policies or programs they had recently managed.

In October, declaring that “it’s time to drain the swamp in Washington,” he promised to institute a five-year ban in which all executive branch officials would be prevented from lobbying the government after they left. He has also promised to expand the definition of a lobbyist, so it includes corporate consultants who do not register as lobbyists but still often act like one.

Bruce F. Freed, the president of a nonprofit group called the Center for Political Accountability, which is pressing major corporations to be more transparent about their political spending, said Mr. Trump’s transition team had sent an unfortunate signal to his followers.

“This is one of the reasons you had such anger among voters — people rigging the system, gaming the system,” Mr. Freed said. “This represents more of the same.”

HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH!
So Trump has David Malpass (one example), whose investment banks collapsed in 2008, to oversee economic issues :pound: and the treasury department.
Breaking key promises and not even inaugurated yet. WAY TO GO ON SUPPORTING YOUR VOTERS DONNIE. YOU ROCK!!! :clap2:
 

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Not surprising since Orthodox Jews share a lot of the same values as Evangelical Christians.
Also they and Trump support the right wing in Israeli politics.

Hi Cloudy,
IMO, yes and no, and cheers

Israel has a giant wall around it, is populated by ethnic nationalists (or "Jewish Supremacists" to be consistent with NYTimes parlance), and is arguably an apartheid state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy
and this is all here to stay so I'd consider all of Israeli politics as right wing regardless of the alleged ideologies of their various parties.

More relevant to your comment though is the myth that "all" Orthodox Jews support Zionism at all, as there has always been outspoken vocal opposition within the community, since forever
http://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbinic-endorsements

There's always been a big fat major media blackout on the issue, which leads one to speculate that, jeez, maybe the Zionist establishment really does have influence over the media, and hides behind their accusations of anti-semitism even though so many of their vocal critics are the most devoted Jews.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/09/23/485973/Israel-UN-Orthodox-Jews-protest-Benjamin-Netanyahu-joke

With that being said, the propaganda has been a huge success, as almost every American Jew I have ever known, and I've known a Lot (no pun intended), considers themselves enlightened liberals, yet blindly supports Israel while having spent less than an hour total in their entire adult lives actually studying Judaism :confused: oy f#$%ing vey
 

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Will a Republican majority congress impeach Trump so that a true conservative like Mike Pense can become president?
If he becomes too hard to handle or breaks some laws then its all very possible.
 

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Like Cheney was the real power broker behind W, Trump will have a team to handle the routine grunt work.
He will be the front man, the big picture man, not the one to get bogged down in minutiae.
No need to impeach him. His presidency will be as leader of a team, not as a lone man at the top.
 

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You can't impeach a President so that someone else can take power, it has to be for cause and that which you suggest will never fly or be attempted.

However Pence has been promoted as well as Sessions in the transition hierarchy and Christie appropriately demoted, which should reflect the stain he should carry from having his direct minions cause the Bridgegate and resulting criminal convictions. This type of pettiness should never be tolerated and to have put in writing in emails what that knuckleheaded chief of staff did was so stupid she deserved to be convicted as a result. Christie is responsible for the conduct of his minions and she was a direct minion. If her actions didn't get communicated to him then shame on him for not managing his minions properly. They serve at your pleasure Chris not their own.
 

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If I am not mistaken Trump's son in law, the guy married to Ivanka, is Jewish. It seems unlikely Hitler would
Have tolerated Jews in his immediate family and he is not known to have dated any Jewish girls.

It has been rumoured that Adolf Hitler himself had jewish ancestry. Same thing with one of the Nazi elites named Reinhard Heydrich, who was one of the top Nazi officials responsible for the Holocaust & 'the Final Solution'. Allegations of his jewish ancestry hounded him for years until his death near the end of WWII.

Just because his son-in-law happens to be jewish doesn't mean anything. We live in 2016. People living in western society are generally free to chose whom they want to marry. The parents may not agree with it, but usually end up accepting it.

I know of muslims who hate fellow muslims because their values and traditions do not match. I'm certain there are jews who hate fellow jews for similar reasons.
 

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Will a Republican majority congress impeach Trump so that a true conservative like Mike Pense can become president?
If he becomes too hard to handle or breaks some laws then its all very possible.

I totally agree and this was alluded to by some Republicans even before election day. But i see this happening only if Steve Bannon winds up being named chief-of-staff. He's been at war with many in the current Republican establishment and he has been a strong critic of the Republican Party himself. But if it's someone such as Reince Priebus pulling the strings, i regard him as being more conciliatory with high-ranking fellow Republicans. But i have no doubt Bannon will be kept on as an advisor and the unstable Donald Trump could very likely fire Priebus or any other chief-of-staff if he dares to disagree with him.

By the way, Chris Christy was just demoted from the transition team and Mike Pence has taken over. We're being told that it has to do with Christy's 'Bridgegate' scandal. However, i've learned that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner has been at odds with Christy ever since he joined the campaign since Christy once successfully prosecuted Kushner's father when Christy was a federal prosecutor. Jared Kushner, who is married to Ivanka Trump, holds a lot of influence with Trump and was among the group of people visiting the White House yesterday. Because of Kushner's influence, i believe Steve Bannon will not get the chief-of-staff nod. Kushner is rumoured to prefer Priebus for the job.
 

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Will a Republican majority congress impeach Trump so that a true conservative like Mike Pense can become president?

We all know I despise Trump, but now that sleazebag will be inaugurated you have to protect the office. Try what you suggest without proper cause and the U.S. becomes a very unstable Banana Republic where legitimacy becomes only a matter of personal power, which was significant in Rome's downfall. The office simply cannot be treated like a revolving door circus no matter what. That was the reason I wouldn't support it against the very cheap reasons it was tired against Clinton and I'll certainly stand by that now.

Trump will need belief in him and loyalty from Republicans who are sure to exert deep influence for him to get anything done. That will be the control on him, and a lot of what Trump has promised goes against what many Republicans put in for their constituents. Trump cannot do many things he wants to on his own and some things like eliminating "gun free zones" for one are controlled by state not federal laws.

Here's one article pointing out how difficult and foolish it would be to try to fulfill all his promises.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-trade-immigration-healthcare/

But, the same guy who predicted Trump's victory predicts his impeachment.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...trump-will-be-impeached/ar-AAkbsjd?li=BBnb7Kz

At the end of our September conversation, Lichtman made another call: That if elected, Trump would eventually be impeached by a Republican Congress that would prefer a President Mike Pence — someone who establishment Republicans know and trust.

“I'm going to make another prediction,” he said. “This one is not based on a system, it's just my gut. They don't want Trump as president, because they can't control him. He's unpredictable. They'd love to have Pence — an absolutely down the line, conservative, controllable Republican. And I'm quite certain Trump will give someone grounds for impeachment, either by doing something that endangers national security or because it helps his pocketbook.”

So while Republican voters clearly came home before Nov. 8 — network exit polls show 90 percent of GOP voters cast ballots for Trump — it's less clear that the party leadership is on board. (Lichtman actually isn't the only person to predict a Trump impeachment; this morning, the New York Times's David Brooks suggested a Trump impeachment or resignation was “probably” in the cards sometime within the next year.)

As I said I don't want the cause to be anything unworthy, but if you really think Trump isn't selfish or dumb enough to do something incredibly stupid and illegal your fooling yourself. For his sake he better listen to his advisors.

But i see this happening only if Steve Bannon winds up being named chief-of-staff. He's been at war with many in the current Republican establishment and he has been a strong critic of the Republican Party himself.

A few posts ago I said don't think you can't make wholesale changes to the establishment or you will get F&$#*@D!

Cheers
 

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I understand Hungry101 got banned for replying to Kasey Jones in the same manner that KJ post to him so H101 has asked me to post the following for him

"Happy belated birthday to the marine corp nov 10 1775"

and the following:


Enjoy Trump Haters! :thumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvf2i1mEVg0

Isn't it an offense to post for someone who's already been banned? I remember someone getting time off for a week for this in the past. Just saying.
 

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Ummmmmmmmmm you had me do it for you once, remember :pound:

The election results hittin' ya pretty hard or what my friend? Now you know how I felt 4 years ago. ;)

Isn't it an offense to post for someone who's already been banned? I remember someone getting time off for a week for this in the past. Just saying.
 

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Ummmmmmmmmm you had me do it for you once, remember :pound:

Okay, i remember now. I think i was away for a while and i had given you permission to post for me using my handle. That's when mod 8 and mod 12 were around. On another note, I met up with a former mod the other day and he admitted to me that he knew all along that i had been posting with an alternate handle in the past, which i'd only use when i'd be posting from one of the major airports' internet server. I finally got him to spill the beans and admit how he knew it was me. Shame on me for thinking i could get one past him. Brilliant guy.
 

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Isn't it an offense to post for someone who's already been banned? I remember someone getting time off for a week for this in the past. Just saying.

Yeah, I thought I'd let someone else post that.
 

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No it was not using your handle (would not have worked anyways because as i said your handle was banned) as i never had your passcode nor would not ever want it, one handle is enough for me anyways thank you very much. It was when you were banned, you had asked me to post something and say it was for you but nothing that broke the rules like insults or anything or i would not have done it. I forget what it was about now but something in the hockey thread or birthday wishes or something like that.

About Mod8, yes he was a good guy until the end, he kind of lost it but this is the last place he needed to be anymore, ones health is more important.
Okay, i remember now. I think i was away for a while and i had given you permission to post for me using my handle. That's when mod 8 and mod 12 were around. On another note, I met up with a former mod the other day and he admitted to me that he knew all along that i had been posting with an alternate handle in the past, which i'd only use when i'd be posting from one of the major airports' internet server. I finally got him to spill the beans and admit how he knew it was me. Shame on me for thinking i could get one past him. Brilliant guy.
 

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Because he broke the same rule that kasey jones did, he was called stupid and other personal insults and retaliated with the same. Hungry101 texted me and asked me to post about the Marines for Veterans day since he couldn't and i did the honorable thing for my friend just like i would do for anyone where as this veterans day means so much to those who fought for their country and lost loved ones. I will say this, Hungry is a very passionate man when it comes to his family, friends and country. Very honorable guy.
Why was hungry101 banned? I did not even notice the banning or what may have caused it.
 

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LOL, this coming from a guy who created 3 new handles (one after the other after each was banned when M20 discovered it was you) while you were banned for six months late last year and a good portion of this year.

B R A V O! :clap2:

Yeah, I thought I'd let someone else post that.
 

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I too salute all the veterans. My Grandpa was in the US Navy, my father in the US Army, my great uncle fought for the US army in World War II and received a Purple Heart and my cousin saw combat action and was shot at by Viet Cong snipers every day while clearing jungle roads for tank battalions. He was wounded by friendly fire but didn't get a Purple Heart because there is no medal when friendly fire caused the wounds. Even though the other guy fucked up. I salute their service which they all spoke to me about in great detail and all 4 were proud to serve our country.
 

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Doc? mErlot? Don't want you guys to get your panites in a wad but i bet you did not know Donald J. Trump was a member here did ya? Well he has his hands full right now but he asked me to post something for him also, and he said to make sure it was clear it was for all those who said he would never win so for all his haters, here is just a simple message the Teflon Don wanted me to post in his honor:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

See what i did there? Are we done now boyzzzzzzzzz? ;)
 
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