Weapons in USA

[sene5hos]

120 people killed or injured by firearms in 48 hours in the USA.

 

[CaptRenault]

Here is columnist David Cole's "list of seven approved mass shooting causes." Feel free to pick your favorite one. I think all of them have been thoroughly covered in this thread.

“New Shooter New Shooter New Shooter!”

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(1) Guns: The favored “why” among leftists. If only we had stricter, European-style gun laws, these things wouldn’t keep happening!

(2) Broken families: With so much divorce and single parenthood, what else do you expect but mass shootings?

(3) Untreated mental illness: If only we could lock up the loons, we’d be safe.

(4) Overtreated mental illness: Thanks to Big Pharma, parents warp their kids’ minds with unnecessary meds.

(5) Media: Violent vidja games! Violent movies! 4Chan! And the evening news, which glorifies shooters and creates copycats.

(6) Fail male: “Society” is failing our boys. Our villages no longer raise up men!

(7) Failed safeguards: Schools unguarded, tips unheeded.

After examining these favorite causes, Cole concludes that it would be best to focus on number 7, "failed safeguards." I agree.

Failed safeguards: To me, this is the one to focus on, because it dispenses with the “whys.” It cuts through the debate. Whatever the “why,” just stop it from happening. Iron Dome doesn’t care why a missile was fired.

Ever since Oct. 1, 1997, when vice principal Joel Myrick stopped the Pearl, Miss., high school shooting by holding his Colt .45 to the teen shooter’s head, the second best way to stop a school shooting has been well-known. The first best is prevention. The Pearl shooter had leaked his plan in advance to his friends (as 48 percent of shooters do), but they told no one.

Armed professionals on campus and tips to law enforcement are not panaceas, but they’re the intelligent response of a society dealing with a phenomenon with no single cause (and after Covid, leftists have totally lost the right to say “we can’t terrorize schoolchildren just to keep them safe”). Still, armed guards and law enforcement tip lines don’t work when the armed professionals bumble like the Keystone Cops and the FBI puts shooting threats on the back burner as it devotes its resources to politicized witch hunts.

As we marvel at the police clusterfuck in Uvalde, remember that during Columbine, cops waited two hours before they entered the building where the shooting took place, and it took another hour to find the killers dead in the library. Following the outcry over the slow response, police nationwide were supposed to train regularly for such shootings. Apparently, the Uvalde cops did train, but poorly. If every police department in the country can be monitored for “diversity,” perhaps the quality of school shooting response training can be monitored too.

Also, it’d be great if the FBI could pause the partisan political ax-grinding for at least a few minutes a day to follow up on shooting tips.

And maybe we should stop arguing about the “whys,” because while they all may be to some degree valid, none is a magic bullet.

Pushing ideologically pleasing fixes makes for some damn fine tweeting…but in terms of real-world helpfulness, it’s of limited value.

 

[CaptRenault]

120 people killed or injured by firearms in 48 hours in the USA.

And I am sure that almost all of the incidents involved black males shooting at other blacks.

It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time

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On this, the second anniversary of the death of George Floyd, the evidence is now overwhelming: American elites have blood on their hands for their hysterical response to a local police blotter incident that has since brought about many thousands of incremental dead bodies on the pavement. The Floyd fiasco has been the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq invasion: a massive, self-inflicted national wound.

The proof is in the simultaneous eruption, once the great and the good turned sharply against the police during the mostly peaceful protests, in not just black-on-black shootings, but also in black traffic fatalities. It turns out that cops being made afraid to pull over black reckless drivers and jaywalkers leads more blacks to drive badly and/or pack a pistol.

Here’s a graph I drew up of the monthly per-capita rate of deaths by homicide from 2014 to 2020. I set the non-Hispanic white average of 2010–2014 to one so that you can easily see the racial ratios. Try to pick out when the “racial reckoning” that is being celebrated today began:

As you can see, according to the Centers for Disease Control’s WONDER database that tracks the causes of death written on all the death certificates in the country, the chance of an individual black dying violently at the hands of another human being was about 7 to 8 times the chance of a white dying by homicide back in relatively peaceful 2014.

(Unlike the FBI, the CDC measures who dies violently, but not who kills. Blacks commit a higher proportion of interracial murder than do other races, but most murders are intraracial, so measures of victims and perpetrators tend to go up and down more or less together. Also, the CDC does a better job than the FBI of disentangling Hispanics from whites.)

But then the Black Lives Matter movement began to win local victories over police departments, first in the St. Louis area, and then Baltimore, Chicago, and so forth. In the last two years of the Obama administration, the Ferguson Effect drove the black rate up to 8 to 10 times the white rate.

During the first few years of the Trump administration, this unfortunate trend was halted, but the black murder rate remained high.

Then the press and politicians went berserk in late May 2020, egging on rioters and depressing law enforcement. The Floyd Effect drove black homicides to skyrocket, peaking in July 2020 at over 15 times the white rate in 2010–2014, and remaining at an unprecedented ratio for the rest of the year.

Hispanic and white deaths by homicide also were unusually high in the second half of 2020, but not the murders of Asians (despite the Narrative that Trump’s March 2020 comments about the “Chinese virus” unleashed a frenzy of violence against Asians).

When the press is forced to admit that murders exploded in 2020, they blame it on Covid and leave George Floyd’s sacred name out of it.

...
n March 2020, blacks were 8.7 times more likely to die by homicide than whites in 2010–2014, then 10.2 times in April, both in the normal range since the Great Awokening. With the huge eruption in violence in late May following Floyd’s death, the ratio hit 12.6 (the first time the black death-by-homicide rate exceeded 12 since 9/11), followed by 14.4 in June, a record 15.5 in July, and remained above 13 for the rest of the year.

As a million thinkpieces are saying today, something changed in May 2020...

 

[CLOUD 500]

Speaking of family, a 2 years old kid playing with his father handgun shot him in the back and killed him.
Evidently, the hangun was loaded and not stored securely.
The mother is charged with Manslaughter.
I don't have much sympathy for the man or his wife but hope the kid will not be traumatised in his teem or adult life.
Probably not because of his young age.

This is not not a gun issue, this is an issue of carelessness. A gun is a tool like any other. Many workers working in construction, welding, elevators must all follow strict safety protocols because the machines can be deadly. Same for handguns. Do not blame the gun, blame the owner. A gun should not be even loaded especially in the presence of kids and a gun should be on safety by default. But course the left will politically hijack this issue. The hypocrisy of the left: Arm Ukraine. Good job. Arm citizens. Bad job.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^
Well not exactly a gun is a deadly tool unlike any other, it is designed to kill and injure. Elevators, construction equipment are not and there aren’t millions of elevators concealed under peoples clothes.
Yes this particular case was due to carelessness completely.
I don’t have any use for guns and don’t see the need for the existence of any or any reason to have private citizens own one.
Do I know responsible gun owners who would never harm anyone intentionally, yes many.
Guns belong in the hands of law enforcement and soldiers like in Ukraine not “law abiding citizens“.and especially not crazed lunatics who can buy an assault rifle easier than a can of beer.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I like to have the tools necessary to defend myself like pepper spray, brass knuckles, a switchblade instead of being at the mercy of police and hoping for the best. How can I defend myself against a 6'6" 300 Lbs muscle dude? But in Canada under the Liberal influence even defending myself using pepper spray or even bear spray can land me several years in jail.

 

[Fradi]

I like to have the tools necessary to defend myself like pepper spray, brass knuckles, a switchblade instead of being at the mercy of police and hoping for the best. How can I defend myself against a 6'6" 300 Lbs muscle dude? But in Canada under the Liberal influence even defending myself using pepper spray or even bear spray can land me several years in jail.

Avoid 6’6 300Lb muscle dudes and definitely don’t antagonize them lol.
I even avoided 5’2’ guys and teenage women drivers in Florida when they cut me off as down there you never know that they don’t have a gun in their car.
Here you only need to avoid the muscle bound dudes, south of the border you need to avoid everybody, even the the tinniest angry person with a gun is a hundred times more dangerous than those muscle bound dudes. It is hard to out run a bullet, not so much those lumbering muscle bound dudes.

Btw where do you hang out that you need pepper spray, brass knuckles and a switch blade.
I use a credit card, a round of free drinks usually does wonders.

 

[Womaniser]

^^^^
Well not exactly a gun is a deadly tool unlike any other, it is designed to kill and injure. Elevators, construction equipment are not and there aren’t millions of elevators concealed under peoples clothes.
Yes this particular case was due to carelessness completely.
I don’t have any use for guns and don’t see the need for the existence of any or any reason to have private citizens own one.
Do I know responsible gun owners who would never harm anyone intentionally, yes many.
Guns belong in the hands of law enforcement and soldiers like in Ukraine not “law abiding citizens“.and especially not crazed lunatics who can buy an assault rifle easier than a can of beer.

I don't completely agree with you.
In Canada, sport shooters must follow very strict rules in storing and transporting their firearms.
It's the illegal firearms (hanguns) coming from USA mostly from Natives reserves that are used by street gangs members.
The magazines capacity is 10 rounds for handguns and 22 cal. Rifles and 5 rounds for centerfire semi-auto rifles.
In USA, except for rare cities or states, there is no limits.
One or two years ago a man going in a bar had an AR-15 with 2 50 rounds drum magazines coupled together on his rifle.
Fortunately, he was fastly stopped by police before making a massacre.

 

[Womaniser]

This is not not a gun issue, this is an issue of carelessness. A gun is a tool like any other. Many workers working in construction, welding, elevators must all follow strict safety protocols because the machines can be deadly. Same for handguns. Do not blame the gun, blame the owner. A gun should not be even loaded especially in the presence of kids and a gun should be on safety by default. But course the left will politically hijack this issue. The hypocrisy of the left: Arm Ukraine. Good job. Arm citizens. Bad job.

Quite evidently careful storage and use of firearms is not a strong habit in USA.
The statistics clearly show that the countries with reasonable or severe firearms rules have a very very small death rate by firearms compared to USA.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Avoid 6’6 300Lb muscle dudes and definitely don’t antagonize them lol.
I even avoided 5’2’ guys and teenage women drivers in Florida when they cut me off as down there you never know that they don’t have a gun in their car.
Here you only need to avoid the muscle bound dudes, south of the border you need to avoid everybody, even the the tinniest angry person with a gun is a hundred times more dangerous than those muscle bound dudes. It is hard to out run a bullet, not so much those lumbering muscle bound dudes.

Btw where do you hang out that you need pepper spray, brass knuckles and a switch blade.
I use a credit card, a round of free drinks usually does wonders.

I always avoid possible trouble, but you know shit happens. Especially with the rise of so much crime it is sensible to be armed. You never know, when something happens it happens so fast. Instead of thinking about the why, best to have the tools.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Quite evidently careful storage and use of firearms is not a strong habit in USA.
The statistics clearly show that the countries with reasonable or severe firearms rules have a very very small death rate by firearms compared to USA.

I agree partially. South American countries have the highest crime rates in the world. Only difference what happens in the US is told by the media. The biggest cause of crime is poverty. Countries with low crime rates also have low poverty. The US has lots of poverty and wealth inequality. Victimless crimes like drugs make crime flourish.

 

[Fradi]

I don't completely agree with you.
In Canada, sport shooters must follow very strict rules in storing and transporting their firearms.
It's the illegal firearms (hanguns) coming from USA mostly from Natives reserves that are used by street gangs members.
The magazines capacity is 10 rounds for handguns and 22 cal. Rifles and 5 rounds for centerfire semi-auto rifles.
In USA, except for rare cities or states, there is no limits.
One or two years ago a man going in a bar had an AR-15 with 2 50 rounds drum magazines coupled together on his rifle.
Fortunately, he was fastly stopped by police before making a massacre.

Yes, I agree with what you are saying.
Criminals will always be able to obtain illegal guns but as I have said a few times they usually end up killing each other with the occasional innocent bystander getting caught in the crossfire.
I had quite a few friends who had to take courses in order to get a permit to have even guns for hunting and they all have specialized locked storage where they keep their guns.
I simply don’t like guns of any kind, for me they are meant for nothing else other than killing, whether human or animal.
I could never understand hunting enthusiasts either, what joy they get out of shooting a defenceless deer, moose or rabbit is beyond me.
Closest I get is fishing and even then I release every fish I catch.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Agreed for hunting. I never understood it either. I love animals and to hunt a poor defenseless animal is cruel. I neither like or dislike guns, to me they are merely tools. Either way firearms laws in Canada are already very strict especially for handguns.

 

[sene5hos]

Aux États-Unis, un fusil destiné aux enfants crée la controverse

En 2021, les armes à feu ont fait près de 45 000 morts aux États-Unis, dont plus de 1500 mineurs.

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In the United States, a gun intended for children creates controversy.

 

[Womaniser]

Yes, I agree with what you are saying.
Criminals will always be able to obtain illegal guns but as I have said a few times they usually end up killing each other with the occasional innocent bystander getting caught in the crossfire.
I had quite a few friends who had to take courses in order to get a permit to have even guns for hunting and they all have specialized locked storage where they keep their guns.
I simply don’t like guns of any kind, for me they are meant for nothing else other than killing, whether human or animal.
I could never understand hunting enthusiasts either, what joy they get out of shooting a defenceless deer, moose or rabbit is beyond me.
Closest I get is fishing and even then I release every fish I catch.

I think hunting might be in the genes of some humans. A part of humanity hunted for food, other part grow plants and harvest them, others catch fish.
Peoples living on farms and wooded areas are more into hunting than those raised in big cities.
Most hunters like to eat wildlife meat.
Beef, pigs, chikens are also defenceless animals that are forced to get in trucks, driven to slaughterhouses.
They certainly suffer from high stress.

 

[CaptRenault]

As long as progressives insist on releasing dangerous, violent felons out of jail over and over again to terrorize the citizens of major cities (almost all run by Democrats), Americans will need guns to defend themselves. Those black Americans who are most often the victims of these thugs have the greatest need to arm themselves for protection, as Wall Street Journal columnist Jason Riley points out.

Opinion | Why Black Americans Are Buying More Guns

The people who bear the brunt of rising violent crime are taking steps to protect themselves.

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“The issue we face is one of conscience and common sense.” So said Joe Biden last week in a prime-time plea for more Second Amendment restrictions. The president is right on both counts, just not in the way that he and other gun-control enthusiasts imagine.

Voters have noticed that cities where shootings occur almost daily also have some of the strictest gun laws. Using common sense, they’ve concluded that more gun-control legislation probably isn’t the solution because criminals by definition don’t respect laws. Many of the same people likewise find it unconscionable that elected officials would make it more difficult for law-abiding residents of high-crime neighborhoods to arm themselves for protection.

Someone might remind Mr. Biden that the past two landmark Supreme Court rulings on gun control were fueled by black plaintiffs who simply wanted to defend their homes and their families. Moreover, they hailed from cities controlled by liberals who have done an extraordinarily bad job of protecting low-income minorities from criminals. In a 2008 case, District of Columbia v. Heller, the court affirmed that the right to bear arms is an individual right and that you don’t need to be part of a militia to exercise it. One of the initial plaintiffs was Shelly Parker, a black computer-software designer who decided to challenge the district’s handgun ban in court after a 7-foot-tall neighborhood drug dealer tried to break into her home one evening and threatened to kill her. “What I want is simply to be able to own a handgun in my home, in the confines of the walls of my home—nothing else,” she told National Public Radio.

Two years later, in McDonald v. Chicago, the high court expanded on Heller. The lead plaintiff was Otis McDonald, a black Chicago retiree who wanted to own a handgun for protection from the gangs that terrorized his low-income neighborhood. Ruling in his favor, the court said that the Second Amendment applies with equal force to federal, state and local governments alike. When McDonald died in 2014, the Chicago Tribune obituary described him as “the man who brought down Chicago’s gun ban.”

It’s well known that gun sales have surged in recent years, but less well known is that blacks have led the trend. Retailers in an online survey conducted by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group, reported that they sold 58% more guns to black customers in the first half of 2020 than a year earlier, the highest increase for any ethnic group. Personal safety tops the list of why people decide to buy a firearm. In a 2021 Gallup survey, 88% of respondents said they own a gun “for protection against crime,” which is up from 67% in 2005.

Social conditions have convinced more Americans that they need a gun, yet the political left has spent little time reassessing woke policies that lead to such thinking. Violent crime has been rising. Homicides in major cities have reached levels not seen in three decades. Meanwhile, liberal policy makers treat criminals like victims and police officers like criminals. Antigun police units tasked with keeping illegal weapons off the streets have been disbanded. Felonies have been downgraded to misdemeanors, and misdemeanors go unpunished, which only emboldens miscreants. Low-income minorities feel the brunt of these so-called reforms because they are by far the most likely crime targets.

The same “defund the police” progressives who have spent most of the past decade undermining the ability of law enforcement to combat crime are now using sensational but statistically rare mass-shooting tragedies as a pretense for curtailing the ability of people in vulnerable communities to defend themselves. The president wants to ban “assault weapons,” raise the purchase age to 21, and expand background checks. There’s no evidence that any of this will address the day-in-day-out gun violence that has driven so many Americans to become first-time gun owners.

The question is whether more restrictions on ordinary Americans in a nation that already has more guns than people will reduce the number of lives lost. Most mass shooters in recent decades have been over 21. The assailants in Buffalo, N.Y., and Uvalde, Texas, passed background checks and purchased their weapons legally. And from 1994 to 2004, we had a federal assault-weapons ban in place. The reality is that most gun crimes don’t involve such weapons, and a RAND Corp. assessment of these efforts found “inconclusive evidence for the effect of assault weapon bans on mass shootings.”

The source of the problem is the failure or inability of the government to protect us. Common sense dictates that we do what is necessary to protect ourselves in the meantime. Only a fool or an ideologue could believe that the best response to people who commit crimes with guns is launching a holy war against people who respect gun laws.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I think hunting might be in the genes of some humans. A part of humanity hunted for food, other part grow plants and harvest them, others catch fish.
Peoples living on farms and wooded areas are more into hunting than those raised in big cities.
Most hunters like to eat wildlife meat.
Beef, pigs, chikens are also defenceless animals that are forced to get in trucks, driven to slaughterhouses.
They certainly suffer from high stress.

There is a big difference to hunt for food vs hunting for fun. Hunting for food is okay (happens in nature) but to hunt for fun or game is just cruel.

 

[sene5hos]

Invading Ukraine benefits crooks - canada today

Unscrupulous individuals tried to take advantage of the war in Ukraine to defraud generous Canadians, who reported dozens of such scams to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Center. • Read also: Sanctions erase 15 years of economic gains in Russia • Read also: An impromptu battle in Ankara between Lavrov...

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Unscrupulous individuals tried to take advantage of the war in Ukraine to defraud generous Canadians, who reported dozens of such scams to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Center.

 

[sene5hos]

See how AR-15 style guns create 'explosions inside the body.

Researchers at Wayne State University use gelatin to demonstrate how AR-15 styles weapons create an "explosion inside the body" compared to handguns.

 

[gaby]

BREAKING NEWS....semblerait qu'une dizaine de SENS REPUB seraient prêts à se joindre aux DEMS. pour l'adoption d'une législation plus sévère pour l''acquisition d'armes par les moins de 21 ans ...pas une révolution mais ce serait un petit pas dans la bonne direction................faudra voir.....ces REPUB conciliants seront sûrement l'objet de fortes pressions de leurs collègues et surtout de l'industrie des armes à feu.....à suivre.