Why I have stopped working with agencies

[jalimon]

I think DFK is the thing most people don't do, I've seen people offering GREEK and CIM but totally refusing DFK which I find funny. I think it might feel a little too intimate for some

Spot on! I saw many of the top girl and i can attest that if the client does not initiate DFK few girl will do it (what 10%??) I know i never initiate it. On repeat session i get it more often. i find light passionate lfk more arousing anyhow.

CBJ takes some time to get used to. I see more and more girl that only go CBJ. Again the overall attitude of the girl will have more impact for me. The thing i like about CBJ is that it usually help me be able to time exactly when i want to finish. Something i absolutely cannot do with bbbj..

Being the pervert that we are... bbbj girl will always be much more popular.

cheers,

 

[Dude824]

sure it is quite easy because you don't have to invest on hotels, ads and shootings. They will take care of eveything for you. All you got to do is be pretty and reliable

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I can only speculate, but I imagine that a lot of SP's gravitate toward working for an agency specifically because it means not having to invest the time, energy, and resources into seeing they have effective marketing, booking, space (if doing incalls), firewalls, and other needed safeguards. I would think that a lot of rookie SPs would not feel confident about how to take these measures themselves and would want to at least get their start as part of an agency where they can learn from others about how to manage the "business" aspect for themselves.

Some may never have a desire to take on those challenges because they just aren't interested in investing time and effort into something they already know they don't want to keep doing for very long. Why go indy when you've already decided to retire from the business upon finally getting that university degree/full-time job/whatever you've been waiting for and working toward while working part-time as an escort to pay your bills? It seems to me like being an agency SP would be easier to walk away from.

 

[Rinzler]

light passionate lfk more arousing anyhow

does that even exist? how can kissing be light and passionate?

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

I actually tell ladies. If dfk is reserved for your personal life. It’s fine. Just make it up to me another way. And bam! Top session with lots of dfk. But I get your point. No cim is a deal breaker for me

So CIM > COB, COF is that what you're saying? Because I am not going to lie, CIM isn't my favourite. I would much prefer COB, my boobs are cute and deserve to receive some love too.

Kyla you look really nice and hot, good luck in your Montreal experience!

Thank you :love:

Personally i could never really tell the difference between LFK and DFK... i mean as long as she don't just smack me on the mouth its cool. It need to be sensual and pleasurable but i don't expect them to shove there tongue down my throat either...

I think it's about the amount of tongue, are you just sliding your tongue just to get a little taste or are you trying to reach her throat.

Spot on! I saw many of the top girl and i can attest that if the client does not initiate DFK few girl will do it (what 10%??) I know i never initiate it. On repeat session i get it more often. i find light passionate lfk more arousing anyhow.

If it's not expected, I think ladies (at least myself) will stick to LFK.

 

[Halloween Mike]

So CIM > COB, COF is that what you're saying? Because I am not going to lie, CIM isn't my favourite. I would much prefer COB, my boobs are cute and deserve to receive some love too.

I think it's about the amount of tongue, are you just sliding your tongue just to get a little taste or are you trying to reach her throat.

Well for me Half Cim/Half Cof is the best. You COF but she keep the mouth open, and does not refrain from sucking you once you came while still having cum covered cheeks and lips... mmmm Ultimately if i must pick only one of the 3 i think it goes this way COF > CIM > COB but CIM if combined with swallow can take first place. COB is the "consolation price" , i mean if no cim no cof then ill settle with a COB because i just can't cum from penetration. Maybe its a mix of the condom but also mind set (loving too much the other ways). So far no SP has denied COB when the 2 other options where not possible.

As for the second part of your message, i just anatomically can't plunge my tongue deep. My tongue is attached on the tip and under. Born like that. My dentist asked me many times if i wanted to have it "fixed" but since it does not bother me in anything in life (eating, speaking etc) i always said no. I don't want to involve chirurgie if i don't have too. I would have a swollen togue/mouth for a while too and who knows, i may have trouble speaking afterward haha. So i gotta admit i like when the providers i see use there tongue As i got less and less shy im mentioning it now if i feel chemistry with the person...

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

COB is the "consolation price" , i mean if no cim no cof then ill settle with a COB because i just can't cum from penetration.

It is a nice way to finish, I have to admit.

Look at the XO team: around half are Non-Quebecoise or have an exotic mix.
We've had many ebonies, mulatos, latinas, asians, middle-easterners, europeans, etc.

"Mulatto" is an offensive way to call mixed people.


I don't know if your reply was general or if it was directed to me but I have never said GFE made me uncomfortable, I said I do offer it to a certain extend and will always re confirm with the gentleman before.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Hum since when Mullato has become offensive? Thats the first time i hear this. We even have a lady call Mocha la Mulatta on merb... If not using Mullato then what term to describe this specific type of skin color? Mixed people is vague and can be anything...

And well said Sam. Personally if an agency want to hire a non GFE girl i don't mind, but they should just put it on her profile or warn every clients that is gonna book her. It would be very awkward that you are about to iniate things and she says "No kissing" or she pull your pants off and reach for a condom for the blowjob. At that point can you really cancel? Not without some serious hassle with both the provider and the agency, and you are more than likely gonna loose some money as a "compromise" ...

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

Hum since when Mullato has become offensive? Thats the first time i hear this. We even have a lady call Mocha la Mulatta on merb... If not using Mullato then what term to describe this specific type of skin color? Mixed people is vague and can be anything...

Ask Mocha she will herself tell you that it's offensive, she even asked on Twitter if she should change her name. It is considered a racial slur, not as bad as the N word but it's still not the way to call a mixed person. In French we would say métisse.

Merriam-Webster definition

 

[luvdozer]

Mulatto is not a term that should be used anymore - think about it as referring to someone as colored or negro. There was a time in the past when not only was it ok, it was considered the appropriate term. This is not the case anymore and it is offensive. If you are trying to describe a person who has biological parents of different races, you are best off using the terms biracial or mixed-race.

We live and learn.

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

I don’t use it because I know it could be offensive to people here.

Mulatto is not a term that should be used anymore

Thank you!

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

^^^^
mmm.... I don’t believe I was the one that brought it up, but not a problem you can PM me about anything.

Yes sorry, I read too fast, I've edited it

 

[luvdozer]

Kyla

You raise some interesting issues regarding interactions with other girls and perhaps more importantly the issue of race and customers. That being said, one of the things I have always been fascinated by as I see some girls moving back and forth between agency and indy is value of time. When you work for an agency, you dont need to spend any time advertising your services, scheduling appointments, or securing incall locations.

When you work as an indy, you keep all of your money and you total freedom to work or not work according to your schedule without having to deal with the booker or other girls. As you note, you also have the freedom to be very clear about what you will do and what you will not do to a level of specificity that you dont get at an agency. You are also able to market yourself in a much more individualized way. However, all of that is work and takes time.

One of the things I have always wondered is the issue of getting new clients - is it easier to get new clients when you work for an agency? I have always suspected that agencies are kind of like department stores and indys are like boutiques. Department stores get much more foot traffic, but boutiques have loyal clientele that are suited for that store. Is that an accurate metaphor or no?

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

One of the things I have always wondered is the issue of getting new clients - is it easier to get new clients when you work for an agency? I have always suspected that agencies are kind of like department stores and indys are like boutiques. Department stores get much more foot traffic, but boutiques have loyal clientele that are suited for that store. Is that an accurate metaphor or no?

I had way more clients when I was working with agencies but very few would call back. Now that I am independent, I have time to build a relationship with the people I see. If they text me on my time off, I can reply and have a little chat with them. Those are things I couldn't really do with an agency.

 

[Julia Sky]

Women are beautiful and beauty has no colour (ask Pat98, gaby, etc. who have seen our lovely exoticas).

Lol yes I agree, but I have a question. Beauty has no weight either, so why won’t agencies hire curvy women or BBW? I’ve always thought it was weird to give up on money because of one’s personal opinion on beauty. Most agencies in Montreal are clearly fatphobic.

I remember one agency telling me to forget it, that I was not cut for the job and wouldn’t make money and look at me now. Their loss.

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

So why won’t agencies hire curvy women or BBW?

Interesting question

 

[jalimon]

New thing I learn, we are stepping in an era where agencies get labeled racist and fatphobic.

I think it's getting too far to think that. You are running an agency. You have to please many girl and respond to what your client wants. And the majority want young spinner college type. Do not blame the girl. Do not blame yourself. But I admit you can blame the majority of us pervert client haha (except me I love ebony and curvy... And if she's both thank god!!).

Other agencies do too just to name a few quickly:
Maya, Kelly @ Maximumxxx
Chloe @ XxxCeption
Amira, Chelsea @ Vog
Jenny @ Godiva
Andrea, Tara @XxxTase
Daniella, Raphaelle, Luna @ Euphoria

Thanks for sharing your TSL Sam hehe teasing you young handsome dude... We shared our love of curvier girl quite a few time

Cheers,

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

New thing I learn, we are stepping in an era where agencies get labeled racist and fatphobic.

I have never said agencies were racist, I've said none of the big agencies wanted to hire me because other black girls didn't do well. And I told XO that "mulatto" was offensive.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I don’t think it’s necessarily a racial thing, I know of one agency (apparently no longer in business) which had a reputation for having black woman on staff but also not bashful about letting them go if they didn’t book well.

Agency owners make subjective judgment calls on girls sometimes. Around 10 years ago, I met a young agency escort who worked for a very popular Montreal agency. She told me she had moved to Montreal from Toronto with her best friend who was also her roomie. Both Caucasian girls. Of normal build. They presented themselves to the agency and the owner hired the girl I met on the spot (appropriately) but told her friend he couldn’t take her as he felt she wouldn’t book well. The friend was devastated by the rejection and went into a depression. Both ladies assumed they would easily get hired and they also offered to do duos together.

Ultimately it is a business and such determinations do get made. Obviously they are subjective to some extent although in the case I mentioned above I happened to know the agency owner personally and I am pretty sure he made a judgment call on rejecting that lady that he believed was in the agency’s best interest.

I am also reminded of a massage parlor in NYC I frequented in the 2008-2012 time span. I got to know the owner fairly well. We were talking about one of her better looking ladies and she told me she hired her thinking she likely would not last one week (this owner was a former MP herself). Her attitude was clearly to hire them if they look good and see how it all works out. However that place had a very high turnover because she had zero tolerance for lateness, no shows and unreliability. And if the lady didn’t have good feedback from trusted regular clients, she would be quick to pull the plug.

I don’t think escort agencies are different really than professional sports teams. If a basebal player or hockey player isn’t producing, he is released. The criteria with agencies is bookings, they are like goals and assists in hockey or hits and walks in baseball. I don’t think they care about anything else, skin color or weight or whatever. If a lady books well she is a keeper and if she doesn’t she gets cut.

 

[Dude824]

It's shouldn't be surprising that agencies tend to hire women who they feel will appeal to most clients. It makes sense that they would want to develop a roster such that there is a good balance between variety (to cater to clients' varying tastes) and consistency (to help ensure their typical client can anticipate similar outcomes, especially in terms of how services are delivered). If most clients tend to seek the skinny white girls, agencies are going to do their best to meet that demand. This can lead to a cycle of catering to a certain type of client, though, losing interest from those whose desires are a little further from the norm. It's easy for agencies to become too "specialized," so long as their customer base stays large enough to sustain their business.

I think Sam is right in his assessment that the demand among clients for BBW escorts can be described as niche. The same cannot be said for curvy women, though I don't know if it's fair to say they're underrepresented on agency rosters as a whole. There might be one or two agencies who would do better to hire a few more women who are curvier or older or more racially and culturally diverse, but if they continue to have success finding clients for all their little white spinners, they probably won't feel motivated to change their hiring practices.

One might ask why the same agencies don't have male/Trans escorts, and the answer would be the same: there's not as much demand for them, and those who are looking for them are generally not the same people interested in the "products" and services the agencies specialize in providing. Perhaps someone from MUH could speak to this, as I understand they were one agency that booked both female and male SPs.

Something else to consider is the diversity lacking among those who desire to work as escorts. Even among all the ads I've seen for indy escorts around Montreal, there's mostly just the same skinny <25 white girls. There's definitely more diversity among indys, but perhaps a big part of the reason they're indy is because they don't fit the typical "mold" of an agency escort and feel they're better off marketing their services directly to those clients whose demands are underserved by the agencies rather than sitting on a roster made up mostly of women so different from them (and, in many cases, they're probably right). Still, even among indys, I haven't noticed a wide selection of non-whites, women >30, or BBWs. I've seen ads for a few, no doubt, but it's not like there's a ton to choose from. Either there's just not that many willing to work as escorts or they tried and weren't able to attract enough clients.

Like any market, the market for the oldest profession is ultimately governed by supply and demand.

 

[Halloween Mike]

The Industry parties were fun bringing everyone together, but sadly doesn't happen that often anymore.

Sadly the last one that Unicorn had, outside of the Unicorn girls only a few indies showed up, no agency did. I think the best bet would be that agencies throw there own party from time to time. I know business is good and you surely does not need the "exposure" at Xo but it would be so nice to have a big XO party where we could meet the majority of the girls working in the agency. Pictures are one thing, reviews are helpfull, but nothing beat a face to face impression

At one point i feel parties where too frequent for me, i couldn't keep up with all of them personally but 1 or 2 per year, that would be very nice. Make each of them a big unique event. If its a one agency party making sure at least 75% of the roster participate and if other agencies/indies are invited, making sure there is lots of peoples that do come.

Also, and this is a personal opinion, but i feel the parties started as more of a social event for fun gathering, i remember the entry fees being 25$ back then, agencies would had prizes as well like 50$ rebate etc or even free sessions, some parties threw in a few beers with your entry, but then by the end the "cover" charge was getting more and more expensive, 50/60$ and there was much less peoples showing up too. Would help to get back to the basics...

Lol yes I agree, but I have a question. Beauty has no weight either, so why won’t agencies hire curvy women or BBW? I’ve always thought it was weird to give up on money because of one’s personal opinion on beauty.

I spoke to one of the male escort at Unicorn and despite the guy looking very good, as in young fit and everything, he told me there was maybe one booking per month or so. The guy is straight too, maybe when it comes to the gay male escort its different stats... maybe? I dunno.

I can totally understand why agencies do not hire any niche market escort, because those are not the "money makers". Its a business so it need to make money. I think any niche tip of escort (gay male, bbw, dom only, trans etc) have a much better chance to have it work in there own as indies. An agency will let go any girl that don't book much, so they can't make exeption to the niche market unless she agree to only use the agency as an advertisement window and be responsible of her own incall/transportation.

I know its a slippery slope so i hope this is not badly taken, but you also got to remember the usual clients of XO, Euphoria, Vog or others are usually looking for young slim model looking girls. Some clients prefer a bit more curvy wich is fine too, but my point is the typical clients of these agencies are not looking for BBW, Trans or male etc. So if they start to list them on there roster it could alienate there regular clients. Kinda like a porn consumer who subscribe to brazzers, he does not want the website to start having gay scene or whatever. That does not mean gay websites can't exist as there seperate entities.

The word is offensive in the US because they have made it so

Mulatto is not a term that should be used anymore - think about it as referring to someone as colored or negro. There was a time in the past when not only was it ok, it was considered the appropriate term. This is not the case anymore and it is offensive. If you are trying to describe a person who has biological parents of different races, you are best off using the terms biracial or mixed-race.

We live and learn.

This is a problem with current society, making everything offensive and having to be super Politicaly Correct. Its getting even ridiculous to a point that a word that was perfectly acceptable suddenly is not?. Whats the correct word to describe a person that was born of a white and black parent? Mixed race can't cut it as it could be white/asian or black/asian or white/native etc etc.

There is a huge color and look difference between for instance Halle Berry and Serena Williams.

For instance do you know that "Negroid" is actually an official term to describe a certain morphology?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

But due to social standards of today, you better not use it. The first time i heard it , it was my aunt speaking, and i looked at her with big eyes .. Told her she shouldn't be saying this because in my head i obviously understood "negro". She then explained to me the term and i googled it and everything and was surprise.

I find it sad personally we always have to be extra cautious these days because of our ancestors. To a point that a fan of a rapper for instance can't sing the tune on stage that include the word "negga" because she is white... The rapper invite her on stage, to sing along, and she is supose to censor herself because of her race? That make no sense to me. ITS A SONG that the rapper wrote HIMSELF !! How can it be offensive? lol. We should be able to make the difference when a word is used as a degatory slur and when its use in a different context.