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Why I have stopped working with agencies

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It's shouldn't be surprising that agencies tend to hire women who they feel will appeal to most clients. It makes sense that they would want to develop a roster such that there is a good balance between variety (to cater to clients' varying tastes) and consistency (to help ensure their typical client can anticipate similar outcomes, especially in terms of how services are delivered). If most clients tend to seek the skinny white girls, agencies are going to do their best to meet that demand. This can lead to a cycle of catering to a certain type of client, though, losing interest from those whose desires are a little further from the norm. It's easy for agencies to become too "specialized," so long as their customer base stays large enough to sustain their business.

I think Sam is right in his assessment that the demand among clients for BBW escorts can be described as niche. The same cannot be said for curvy women, though I don't know if it's fair to say they're underrepresented on agency rosters as a whole. There might be one or two agencies who would do better to hire a few more women who are curvier or older or more racially and culturally diverse, but if they continue to have success finding clients for all their little white spinners, they probably won't feel motivated to change their hiring practices.

One might ask why the same agencies don't have male/Trans escorts, and the answer would be the same: there's not as much demand for them, and those who are looking for them are generally not the same people interested in the "products" and services the agencies specialize in providing. Perhaps someone from MUH could speak to this, as I understand they were one agency that booked both female and male SPs.

Something else to consider is the diversity lacking among those who desire to work as escorts. Even among all the ads I've seen for indy escorts around Montreal, there's mostly just the same skinny <25 white girls. There's definitely more diversity among indys, but perhaps a big part of the reason they're indy is because they don't fit the typical "mold" of an agency escort and feel they're better off marketing their services directly to those clients whose demands are underserved by the agencies rather than sitting on a roster made up mostly of women so different from them (and, in many cases, they're probably right). Still, even among indys, I haven't noticed a wide selection of non-whites, women >30, or BBWs. I've seen ads for a few, no doubt, but it's not like there's a ton to choose from. Either there's just not that many willing to work as escorts or they tried and weren't able to attract enough clients.

Like any market, the market for the oldest profession is ultimately governed by supply and demand.
 

Halloween Mike

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The Industry parties were fun bringing everyone together, but sadly doesn't happen that often anymore.

Sadly the last one that Unicorn had, outside of the Unicorn girls only a few indies showed up, no agency did. I think the best bet would be that agencies throw there own party from time to time. I know business is good and you surely does not need the "exposure" at Xo but it would be so nice to have a big XO party where we could meet the majority of the girls working in the agency. Pictures are one thing, reviews are helpfull, but nothing beat a face to face impression ;)

At one point i feel parties where too frequent for me, i couldn't keep up with all of them personally but 1 or 2 per year, that would be very nice. Make each of them a big unique event. If its a one agency party making sure at least 75% of the roster participate and if other agencies/indies are invited, making sure there is lots of peoples that do come.

Also, and this is a personal opinion, but i feel the parties started as more of a social event for fun gathering, i remember the entry fees being 25$ back then, agencies would had prizes as well like 50$ rebate etc or even free sessions, some parties threw in a few beers with your entry, but then by the end the "cover" charge was getting more and more expensive, 50/60$ and there was much less peoples showing up too. Would help to get back to the basics...

Lol yes I agree, but I have a question. Beauty has no weight either, so why won’t agencies hire curvy women or BBW? I’ve always thought it was weird to give up on money because of one’s personal opinion on beauty.

I spoke to one of the male escort at Unicorn and despite the guy looking very good, as in young fit and everything, he told me there was maybe one booking per month or so. The guy is straight too, maybe when it comes to the gay male escort its different stats... maybe? I dunno.

I can totally understand why agencies do not hire any niche market escort, because those are not the "money makers". Its a business so it need to make money. I think any niche tip of escort (gay male, bbw, dom only, trans etc) have a much better chance to have it work in there own as indies. An agency will let go any girl that don't book much, so they can't make exeption to the niche market unless she agree to only use the agency as an advertisement window and be responsible of her own incall/transportation.

I know its a slippery slope so i hope this is not badly taken, but you also got to remember the usual clients of XO, Euphoria, Vog or others are usually looking for young slim model looking girls. Some clients prefer a bit more curvy wich is fine too, but my point is the typical clients of these agencies are not looking for BBW, Trans or male etc. So if they start to list them on there roster it could alienate there regular clients. Kinda like a porn consumer who subscribe to brazzers, he does not want the website to start having gay scene or whatever. That does not mean gay websites can't exist as there seperate entities.

The word is offensive in the US because they have made it so

Mulatto is not a term that should be used anymore - think about it as referring to someone as colored or negro. There was a time in the past when not only was it ok, it was considered the appropriate term. This is not the case anymore and it is offensive. If you are trying to describe a person who has biological parents of different races, you are best off using the terms biracial or mixed-race.

We live and learn.

This is a problem with current society, making everything offensive and having to be super Politicaly Correct. Its getting even ridiculous to a point that a word that was perfectly acceptable suddenly is not?. Whats the correct word to describe a person that was born of a white and black parent? Mixed race can't cut it as it could be white/asian or black/asian or white/native etc etc.

There is a huge color and look difference between for instance Halle Berry and Serena Williams.

For instance do you know that "Negroid" is actually an official term to describe a certain morphology?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

But due to social standards of today, you better not use it. The first time i heard it , it was my aunt speaking, and i looked at her with big eyes .. Told her she shouldn't be saying this because in my head i obviously understood "negro". She then explained to me the term and i googled it and everything and was surprise.

I find it sad personally we always have to be extra cautious these days because of our ancestors. To a point that a fan of a rapper for instance can't sing the tune on stage that include the word "negga" because she is white... The rapper invite her on stage, to sing along, and she is supose to censor herself because of her race? That make no sense to me. ITS A SONG that the rapper wrote HIMSELF !! How can it be offensive? lol. We should be able to make the difference when a word is used as a degatory slur and when its use in a different context.
 

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If most clients tend to seek the skinny white girls, agencies are going to do their best to meet that demand.

Thin, hot blondes are the fuckin' bomb everywhere in the world. You look at the buzz anywhere..........London, NYC, Frankfurt, Moscow, Sao Paulo and even Shanghai and Hong Kong where they import them in from Russia..........Hot blondes are fully booked and commanding high prices. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not even saying it's me. However, there is a freakish gene in most men's heads and penises that command them to fuck hot, blonde women.
 

AdeleBeaumont

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Ultimately it is a business and such determinations do get made. Obviously they are subjective to some extent although in the case I mentioned above I happened to know the agency owner personally and I am pretty sure he made a judgment call on rejecting that lady that he believed was in the agency’s best interest.

It's shouldn't be surprising that agencies tend to hire women who they feel will appeal to most clients

What can be racist are the hiring policy in place. Refusing to hire any black escort because you believe beforehand she will not do well is indeed racist.


I do understand this is a business and that it should be handled as such, therefore sometimes choices have to be made to respect the wishes and needs of the clientele. Where I think it's not ok is when I am told that I can't even have a chance because some black woman f*cked up 3 years ago.

We are both black but I am not her and she is not me. I think it's unfair but oh well, what can I do? *shrugs*
 

CLOUD 500

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Yes the major ones, the reputables ones but sadly those are the agencies that won't take you if you are black.

I am only interested in Black or Latina women which is why I never use Merb agencies. They decided for you that the girl you can book is pure Laine White but myself I got zero interest in those types of women. With the passing of years we see less and less exotic women. I remember five years ago every agency at least had some dark skinned woman now they are almost none existent. I found other options. I strictly have stripper take outs so agencies are not even a concern to me now. I do not like dealing with Merb Indys personally since there is too much difficulty to book one. Too much screening for example. I got no references to provide for example since I never seen an Indy so I just skip it. And often Indys pricing is out of my range. I get far better pricing with strippers.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
What can be racist are the hiring policy in place. Refusing to hire any black escort because you believe beforehand she will not do well is indeed racist.

Uhhhh, wrong. Hate it when the racist cards gets pulled. If you are a store selling balls and you have blue, orange and green ones. The orange balls sell like crazy, the the others minimal, some days no sales and storage is not free. You have been selling balls for years and have tried various shades of blue and figure not many people want blue balls ( slipped a joke I'm there). A sales person comes in and offers a different blue ball for sale, do you take it or pass?
Leave the bullshit racist card out of this.
 

CLOUD 500

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What can be racist are the hiring policy in place. Refusing to hire any black escort because you believe beforehand she will not do well is indeed racist. You can worship at the alter of profit all you like. Doesn't change shit. Good business decision. Still racist. How one lady did in the past is not reflective of how a new lady will do in the future. Even more so when the agencies almost never have black escorts anyway.

I agree. They basically decided for you what you can book. Most stripclubs are also have a racist hiring policy they implement a non white girl quota. I noticed most clubs hiring policy is based on the personal preference of the manager. But you see ppl like me avoid those clubs and go to clubs where there are a lot of black girls. Same principal. The agencies hire white girls only well black lovers look elsewhere so if one agency decides to hire a black girl she does not do well because the market was already established for white girls. I have not used Merb agency in years. I already have other options for black girls. Even if an agency has one I will probably not book as I already got my regulars and potentials.
 

louee47

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If you are working for an outcall only agency, it might be difficult to see another girl do better than you. Imagine spending 5 hours in a call and not being busy at all. Sometimes ladies will start talking behind your back etc.

Je crois que les expériences de chacunes sont différentes. Pour avoir travaillé dans une agence, il n'y avait pas cette compétition. Enfin, je ne l'ai jamais sentie, au contraire. Et notre "gérant" ne nous mettait pas vraiment de pression, il était hyper compréhensif et respectueux et voulait qu'il y ait une harmonie entre nous. Au moins qu'on puisse se supporter toute une soirée. Ça fait toute la différence.
 

AdeleBeaumont

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I got no references to provide for example since I never seen an Indy so I just skip it. And often Indys pricing is out of my range. I get far better pricing with strippers.

This is why I keep my donations close to agencies donations. While I am happy to provide references for other SP, I don't ask for references when booking.


Je crois que les expériences de chacunes sont différentes.

Effectivement, c'est pour ça que je donne mon opinion et que je ne peux pas parler pour tout le monde. Je ne connais pas les expériences de chacun et chacune
 

ShyMan

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Hate it when the racist cards gets pulled.

I could not agree with you more STN.

It's all about supply and demand. Demand is the primary driver in any industry and business. There's a reason we rarely see 50+ year old female providers advertising anywhere, regardless of how beautiful and "hot" they are.

I personally prefer to go through trusted Montreal agencies.

Years ago, I tried an Independent SP in Montreal (mostly out of curiosity; her donation was C$30 higher than agency ladies. She advertised on Merb. She showed up 25+ pounds heavier and 5+ years older than her photos on her website -- we had a nice long chit chat and I could not wait for the session to end. (I chalked up that expensive experience as part of my "education".) She has long since retired.

No offense to the OP, who appears very lovely but when I'm in Montreal, I have no reason to want to see any SP traveling there from else where, because the SP's in Montreal are 10 times more appealing to me. Now, if the OP were to move to Montreal, I would see her. But let's not generalize about Montreal agencies; they are not like those in TO or else where and they do not all operate the same.

Ms Jessy of the renowned Montreal Sex City regularly has ebony providers on her team. (Ms Jessy's ladies broke my cherry :cheer2:-- I discovered Montreal's GFE's first through MSC.)

I'm glad the OP continues to engage in this thread and she's doing a nice job promoting herself. She seems like a nice person whom I would enjoy meeting.
 

jalimon

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Exact Shyman and STN... When you own your own business you make the decision that are wise for you your client and your employee. That's it.

Shyman my friend the OP is from Montreal. Downtown. Upon your return to your place in your adopted city she'll be whispering you name... ;)

Cheers,
 

AdeleBeaumont

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No offense to the OP, who appears very lovely but when I'm in Montreal, I have no reason to want to see any SP traveling there from else where, because the SP's in Montreal are 10 times more appealing to me. Now, if the OP were to move to Montreal, I would see her.

Shyman my friend the OP is from Montreal. Downtown. Upon your return to your place in your adopted city she'll be whispering you name... ;)


I don't know why people assume I am not from here, I think I will have to start all my posts with "btw I am from Montreal" or change my signature to "your Montreal friend" :p
 

No_Church_InThe_Wild

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You have been selling balls for years and have tried various shades of blue and figure not many people want blue balls ( slipped a joke I'm there).
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I don’t know how you came up with this analogy STN. But somehow you made your point and in the process made me laugh aswell
@OnlyDoggy I honestly enjoy reading your thoughtful posts OD. And there is no denying that there is racism in this world we live in. But pls let’s not make this thread about that . Are agencies racially biased in hiring? Perhaps so.
But not because they are racists. It’s a business decision based on what the market needs and demands. Money doesn’t discriminate. So let’s not make everything black and white shall we . Things are never that simple.

As for the Mulatto term .I know for a fact that in many places it’s surely not viewed in a derogatory way. Not at all .
Perhaps in the states it’s viewed a bit as a racial slur. But in the politically correct bizzaro world of our neighbors many things are . To constantly worry about being politically correct can get exhausting. And I’m pretty sure that anyone who used the Mulatto term on these boards never meant to offend .
 

AdeleBeaumont

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And there is no denying that there is racism in this world we live in. But pls let’s not make this thread about that . Are agencies racially biased in hiring? Perhaps so.
But not because they are racists.

I actually don't know why this has became the main topic of this thread...I gave a bunch of reasons to why I've quit agencies. Instead of screaming racism, I've decided to go independent. Why would I stay with an agency if there's no demand or if they don't know how to advertise black women. It's pointless and everyone involved would be wasting their time.

In this business more than anywhere else, time is money.
 

ShyMan

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I don't know why people assume I am not from here

Sorry, Kyla. I was lazy. But you popped up on Merb all of a sudden in March 2019.

Your photos are delicious. I love chocolate now and then. :)

And I’m pretty sure that anyone who used the Mulatto term on these boards never meant to offend .

NCITW, you are correct my friend. That's why I love Montreal. Many of the Montreal SP's I've seen are of mixed European heritage. I'm glad we are seeing more SP's who are of Arabic heritage and Mulatto. (I in fact have a relative who is a Mulatto.) Variety is the spice of life. That's why I think "hobbying" is an appropriate term for what we do.

After having met and spoken with many local Merbites, I realize many of them enjoy seeing local Independents on a regular basis. They are lucky to have established such wonderful "long-term" relationships with local independent providers. I'm actually envious ;)
 

Valcazar

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How did this thread become about racism?
 
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