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How did she know it?

She did not. Not at all. I should have written "I had to be fucking sharp on my skate to describe what is CIM and explain why I knew that acronym".

She had not clue what CIM means. I simply said. Ho it means if I can explode in your mouth. Then I said ok sorry I admit I may have watch a bit of porn in my life... Hence the use of the acrocym cim for cum in mouth...

She just smiled at me and continued the bj. Then she stopped and said "ho by the way I prefer you cum on my boobs". She then ask "Why you don't want to cum in the condom while fucking?" I laughed and said "My god with a hottie like you that would be such a waste!".

Yes EB MUCH better to describe the act. I should and will know from now on.

That girl wrote me back yesterday. She asked what's next. I replied handcuff, blindfold and longest daty/fiv she ever got in her life. Got 3 smiley and some kiss as a reply. Should be fun!

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Ok please follow Capt and EB advice in this thread and not mine because I got banned from SA.

It seems my message were to direct and were considered open solicitation for sex.

I do not have the time to meet every girl before reaching a point where a sexual relation will happen. So I guess SA is not for me and I will revert back to SP ;)

At least from my time in SA i got 2 girls who I have seen and are willing to see me again so it's not a total waste!

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Ok please follow Capt and EB advice in this thread and not mine because I got banned from SA.

It seems my message were to direct and were considered open solicitation for sex...

Sorry to hear that, J, but I warned everyone (back in April) about being too direct and explicit in private messages on SA. You negotiate terms outside of SA's site (if you want to text with a girl, then use regular texting, not SA's message system). If you can't deal with that, then SA is not for you.

If SA wants to access the private messages on its site, it can. I think they already do that, and if not they certainly could and would. It would be in their self-interest to monitor the pm's for evidence of "pay-per-meet" or transactional arrangements. I think SA is paranoid about accusations of facilitating prostitution and in the current climate they should be.

Given what we have already seen happen, I don't believe that SA is free of interference from the feds and the feminists. Once they shut down every escort advertising site and more escorts migrate to sites like SA (and some escorts have already been using it), then the feminists will go after SA.

We are in the midst of a vast moral panic that encompasses any and every kind of Orwellian sexcrime. There is no limit to the fanaticism of the anti-sex feminists and their conservative religious allies.

So if you use SA, never discuss financial arrangements in SA private messages. Leave all such discussions to face-to-face meetings and text messages off the SA site.
 

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Ok please follow Capt and EB advice in this thread and not mine because I got banned from SA.

It seems my message were to direct and were considered open solicitation for sex.

You should know better with the US enforcement of morality - FOSTA and SESTA. SA has no choice but to ban you otherwise they risk getting shut down. Besides SA is not an escort site. Better you stick with Merb agency/Indys.. Keep in mind the game on SA is very different then escort. The escort experience is what I call the pizza delivery experience. With SA it is more about courting the girl. It is a type of relation a mutually beneficial relation.
 

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I did learn one thing on SA that I didn’t learn on MERB, the term “Blasian.” It’s meant to refer to a woman who has both black and Asian ethnicity. When I first saw a lady describe herself on SA as a “Blasian”.

There is also "Blindian" which is part Black and part Indian.
 

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In addition to dating a Blasian lady, I also dated 2 Blispanic women. The first was Black and Puerto Rican and the second was Black and Portuguese. The Bluguese woman said to me, on our first date, "I bet you that this is the first time you ever dated someone who is half black and half Portuguese?" And she was right- it was! Interesting thing about her is that although she has dark skin, she really does not have any African features. She looks like Ariana Grande and has the same body type. The other Blispanic girl I dated had African features. The Blasian lady was the most attractive of those 3. What a wonderful mix she is. Try and picture a young Halle Berry with Asian eyes and that is her.

Jalimon- sorry to hear of your ban. You will have to start a new profile- with new email unless they can track your IP address somehow. If you are too direct girls will report you. You have not said whether you were using English or French in your offending postings. There are some English code words that can be used, like intimacy rather than sex. Never use the word sex or any acronyms associated with sex acts as we do here on MERB. SA is not MERB. Captain Renault did post some good advice about saving the details for in person, on any sexual acts and especially compensation for same. However, even in person the way I always frame payments are "allowances" for "dates", not specific payments for specific acts. You talk about the date details in person. The girls use Code as well. One I dated would call it "play", which of course is a vague word that can mean many things. Others say stuff like "private time." You need to know the SA language. The language is different than MERBese.

The critical key to success on SA, which is now just calling itself "Seeking", is communication skills, not money. The only guys who think the key to success on SA is money are the guys who have none. My success rate on SA improved dramatically over the course of time due to learning the lingo through experience. It is a fucking game. Just like the game of football or hockey, the second year player is better than the rookie, and the third year player is better than the second year player, and so on in most cases. I am a 5th year player now in the prime of his career- I have another 5-6 years before I start to get too old and show it. Experience improves you in the game. You make mistakes, do not get dates and learn what works and what doesn't. I recently had my first doubleheader of SA dates in New York City. I saw one lady for lunch on 35th Street at 2 pm, and then met the second at a bar on 36th Street at 5 pm. Both ladies were great and I intend to see both of them again. I was kind of surprised both dates went as well as they did. Both girls offered up an intimate date at the end of the platonic first date and quickly gave me their cell numbers, so now the only question is picking which one is first and when I can actually meet her.

One thing I can share that I think is important and cannot be overstated is behaving like a normal, courteous person and treating a woman with respect. Respect is manifested in how you communicate and whether you are able to express yourself tactfully and gentlemanly while at the same time letting the girl know that intimacy is the end game. There is a large % of the male population which simply cannot do it, from what I hear from my SA dates. They find many men rude, and to me that is code for being too blunt and not taking a slow and steady strategic communication path. I think a lot of guys do not even think strategically, they just open their mouths and spontaneously spew words. My verbiage is always calculated. I go into any date, especially a date to nail down an arrangement, with a plan in my head which includes answers to the likely questions you will be asked. The unprepared hockey player who has no plan of what to do will get sweep-checked and stripped as he rushes the puck up ice. Similarly, guys with no plan on SA do not get past first base.
 

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Ok this week I saw both girl that I had met while on my short stint on SA.

First one Thursday. A quick lunch session with the first one who may have about 15lbs too much but she's nasty (I see her as the kind of girl I would hook up with at club closing time when I was in my 20's because she, like myself, had not yet found anyone ;) ). She is clearly not an escort and has never been but at 22 she's discovering how good sex can be ;) Both time I saw her she ask me to make sure I finish in her mouth so she can enjoy and swallow it all. She makes me feel 20 years longer :)

Second one yesterday. My god she is so beautiful. Very few sp could match her facial beauty (ok except Jaime of xo..). Body I love but she would not cut it as an sp with you bunch of spinner pervert haha
Had a 2h session yesterday which was absolutely great but still missing some nastiness to it ;)

Best of it is the $ they ask. It's much less then sp.. I do think this is because these girls are north shore girl. In downtown Montreal not sure I would get such low allowance..

I am questioning if I am ready to go back in a few weeks on SA. EB just very clearly wrote how you need to play the game. Not sure I am willing to spend so much time. And clearly there is no way I will have a first meet with every potential girl. No time for that. But on the other side it's so fucking easy. I had so many prospect lined up in such little time!!

If I did not bored you enough so far, stay tuned ;)

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But on the other side it's so fucking easy. I had so many prospect lined up in such little time,

If you play by the rules, are not aggressively ugly or look old as Methusaleh, it is incomprehensibly easy. The hard part is what you mentioned: Time investment. The SA game requires patience and impatient Blue balls types don’t do well there. Also, the platonic first meet is important because it completely eliminates the girl feeling like an escort. At the end of the day it’s money for sex, we all know that, but the ladies see it differently and if you do the platonic first meet they see it as a sign of respect and gentlemanhood. Also gives them the chance to weed out the various sociopaths and psychopaths on site.
 

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Even before you get to the point of meeting a girl for a get-to-know-you session, you can eliminate a lot of candidates by exchanging some private messages within the SA site. Of course, you have to be careful not to solicit them for sexual services during the exchange of messages.

But some guys find it hard to resist treating SA as if it were an escort advertising site. It's not. :rolleyes:
 

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This story demonstrates that sugar daddy sites may not carefully check the age of each woman on the site. The site involved in this case is not nearly as well known as Seekingarrangement.com, but I wouldn't assume that SA does a better job of checking the ages of its sugar babies.

It would not be a good thing for the "sugar" industry if underage girls start showing up on these sites. That would be a sure way to bring down the wrath upon them of the anti-prostitution feminists and religious zealots.


3-D gun entrepreneur Cody Wilson accused of paying for sex with underage girl, authorities say
Cody Wilson, director of Defense Distributed, at a restaurant in Austin on Aug. 5, 2018.
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By Lindsey Bever
September 19

Cody Wilson, a 3-D gunmaker who has become embroiled in a national debate about “downloadable” firearms, has been accused of sexually assaulting a teenage girl, according to court documents.
Authorities said Wilson, 30, paid the teenager $500 for sex in a hotel last month in Austin after the two met on a dating website, according to an arrest warrant affidavit that was filed Wednesday in district court in Travis County, Tex. Wilson faces a charge of sexual assault, a second-degree felony, according to the court documents.

A spokeswoman with the Austin Police Department said Wilson has not been arrested. It is unclear why authorities are charging him with sexual assault and whether he has an attorney.

The court documents state that the teenager, who authorities said is younger than 17, told police that the two met on SugarDaddyMeet.com and that she started exchanging messages with Wilson.
The teen told investigators that Wilson used the username “Sanjuro” but that, during the conversation, he gave her his full name and told her he was a “big deal.” She said she did not know who he was until she looked him up online, according to court records.

The teen told investigators that the two met in person Aug. 15 at a coffee shop and then drove to the Archer Hotel in north Austin, the court records state. Surveillance footage showed the two walking through the hotel about 8:30 p.m., according to the court records. Once inside the hotel room, the teen told police, “she and Wilson engaged in sexual intercourse and oral sex on the hotel room’s bed.”
The teenager said Wilson then gave her five $100 bills, according to the court records.

About 10 p.m., Wilson drove to a Whataburger, authorities said.

Over the past few months, Wilson has made national headlines amid a heated debate about 3-D-printed firearms. His company, Defense Distributed, has been entangled in an ongoing legal battle...



 

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It's not clear from that story how the cops got involved. Did the girl's parents complain? If she was under age 17 there may be an age of consent issue under Texas law, hence the reason for the sexual assault charge -because the underaged minor cannot consent under the law.

I assume the girl likely posted she was 18, but you gotta be careful. Buyer beware!
 

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It's not clear from that story how the cops got involved...

Another story* that I read said she reported it to a "counselor.," who must have then reported it to the police. The girl had his real name so she must have told the police when they interviewed her.

The guy made a huge mistake to get involved with an underage girl. It's wrong in and of itself but it's also a very dumb and dangerous thing to do. He probably thought he was safe because she was listed on the site.

But a site like that simply can't vet all its members in the same fashion that a Montreal escort agency could. And as we know, agencies have themselves been fooled occasionally in the past. Though I think they're pretty strict these days because they know that a single case of an underage girl could put them out of business immediately.


*https://www.statesman.com/news/brea...es-sex-assault-charge/AnteUx5fI7LpNg6yg0Z1JN/

Austin police are working with international authorities to bring Cody Wilson, an Austin man at the center of a debate about 3D-printed guns, back to the country from Taiwan to face a sexual assault charge filed in Travis County on Wednesday.

Wilson’s last known location was the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, Austin police Cmdr. Troy Officer said.

Wilson missed a scheduled flight back to the United States and is thought to have left the country after a friend of the 16-year-old sexual assault victim told him that police were investigating him, Officer said.
Police do not know why Wilson went to Taiwan, only that he frequently travels there for business, Officer said.

Wilson has been entered into a national law enforcement computer for sexual assault of a child, Officer said.

Earlier: Cody Wilson, an Austin man whose fight over 3D-printed guns thrust him into the national spotlight, faces a charge of sexual assault, according to an arrest affidavit filed in Travis County district court on Wednesday.

The affidavit said a counselor called Austin police on Aug. 22 to report that a girl under the age of 17 told her she had sex with a 30-year-old man on Aug. 15 and was paid $500.

In a forensic interview on Aug. 27, the girl told authorities that she created an account on SugarDaddyMeet.com, and began exchanging messages with a man who used the username “Sanjuro,” the affidavit said.
The pair messaged online, then began exchanging text messages.

“During this conversation, ‘Sanjuro’ identified himself as ‘Cody Wilson.’ Victim said that ‘Sanjuro’ described himself to the victim as a ‘big deal,’ ” the affidavit said.
 

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That’s why he got charged with sexual assault. The minor was incapable of consenting under the law. Hence he violated her. Pussy is off limits until it’s 17 in Texas.
 

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There are so many girls on SA that the experience varies widely. When you cut right to the chase like you have you are going to get the more mercenary ladies. Patience is a virtue on SA. If you are not willing to play the game, stick to escorts.
 

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...In the first few days I messaged as many girls as I could, got some replies...

Mistake number 1.
:rolleyes:

...Most of them are open to the idea of “Pay Per Meeting"...

Mistake number 2.
:rolleyes:

..The first girl seemed a bit crazy in text, I asked her expectation, she replied "it ranges from 400-1500 from going movies to meeting in a hotel. I am fine with strictly sex" I was kind of mad then I just asked her "what is your rate?". .

Mistake number 3.
:rolleyes:

...2nd one agreed to meet in a hotel room for the first time meeting and asked for 400 for 1.5 hours, again I didn't find it reasonable but still I replied "for this expectation I gotta see more pics of you", her responds was "if you just wanna more pictures then you are not looking for emotional connection." Later I convinced her to meet for coffee first, will see how it goes..

Mistake number 4.
:rolleyes:

...I tried my best to approach them as they are civilian girls, although a great deal of them are essentially escorting. Probably because I have been seeing escorts too long, I couldn't help but always sound like "I just wanna sex and please make an offer." So far not so much positive experience.

Eager is right. You should stick to escorts. You clearly don't have the patience or the kind of game one needs to succeed on SA, unless you happen to stumble across an escort who is just using SA as an alternative advertising site.
 

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Dude, SA is not for you. If you're trying to meet a cute college girl that's a bit uncertain about the whole thing, she will be gone after a couple of messages. The ones who will stick around with that approach are the pros. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but be aware that your approach dictates who you end up meeting face to face.

Bingo - dead on correct analysis. He has a losing game plan for getting dates with the hot young college non pros.
 

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So please correct me if I'm wrong, you have to offer the veneer of a relationship with the young, non-pro girls? I don't mean commitment or monogamy, but you have to play the game so that it appears you are looking for a connection and some companionship beyond sex.

You experienced guys do you ever fake the connection/relationship part in order to sleep with young hotties. I ask because I don't think I can. I think I would have to find some connection. With a first world escort, it's a whole different mind set. A good escort makes you comfortable, but it's a relatively transient transaction.

Have you ever concerned about anonymity? Have you ever had a bad severing of an arrangement? I worry about threats and the like.
 

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The young non pros want to see a guy be able to establish a connection with them. That means a willingness to go out on a few dates, acting like a gentleman, not talking about CIM (as Jalimon did before getting banned) and showing yourself to be a regular dude. If you do all of that, are decently well dressed and well groomed, and can talk a good game, pretty much anything is on the table depending on your negotiating skills. You never talk about relationships or the veneer of relationships. Almost all the young non pros have disclaimers on their profiles that say something like "nothing serious." What that means is they don't want a committed relationship but NSA, FWB type fun.

Anonymity is a 2 way street, and never had threats because the girls usually have more to lose than the guys once you get to that point in an arrangement. I had one bad severing- simple expedient was to block her on my phone. She was just a little too crazy. She did make a threat along the lines of warning other women on SA about me, but you can delete and start new profiles if such threats were ever acted upon, which in her case they were not. There is no real info on SA, it's like MERB, fake handles are used, so the anonymity issue is the same with SA girls as escorts for the most part, difference being you do at some point need to take an SA girl to your place. Hopefully you only do that after making a solid decision on her character and discretion.

Sambuca, all of the above is common sense which needs no explaining to intelligent men who understand how the game is played. If you can do all of the above, SA is easy.