My post was tongue in cheek. You did not get it. I do not "blame" my parents for anything. We all have to figure out things for ourselves eventually once the parental upbringing umbilical cord is cut, including our personal sexual identities. I have no complaints about my upbringing at all, and consider it quite fortunate compared to the vast majority of the backgrounds that the SBs I date come from.
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My post was tongue in cheek. You did not get it. I do not "blame" my parents for anything. We all have to figure out things for ourselves eventually once the parental upbringing umbilical cord is cut, including our personal sexual identities. I have no complaints about my upbringing at all, and consider it quite fortunate compared to the vast majority of the backgrounds that the SBs I date come from.
It's best to get to know the lady first, and if she insists on advance payment at an initial meeting, it's best to move on. It's not like seeing an escort- an arrangement has to be built on trust. I think you are looking for a quick hit and your profile or preliminary messaging must be sending that message. Change your profile and say you want to invest some time in getting to know a lady and establishing whether a connection exists, or else in the initial messaging process say that. Unless a lady is totally mercenary and opportunistic she will be willing to meet for coffee to see if a connection exists. The vast majority of ladies want this, request it. There is something wrong with your profile or initial messaging because you seem to be magnetizing the opportunists. De-magnetize your profile, delete the above message and move on!
Its fun reading this thread. I`m fascinated by the amount of trouble and money some of you go thru when, if you do your homework well, you can book a gorgeous agency girl for a fraction of what you spend on an SA girl and be almost guaranteed of a GFE+ time.
Don`t get me wrong though since I `ve had the pleasure of enjoying several sugar babes over the past 10 years....I didn`t arrange it through a web site or dating service but in one on one meetings with bar-maids I met at parties.
I also dated a couple of girls who had sugar daddies that were a few years older than me at the time. Their stories of their affairs.....yes sugar babes do tell stories about their sd`s to their boy friends.....were amusing.
Don`t get me wrong though since I `ve had the pleasure of enjoying several sugar babes over the past 10 years....I didn`t arrange it through a web site or dating service but in one on one meetings with bar-maids I met at parties.
I also dated a couple of girls who had sugar daddies that were a few years older than me at the time. Their stories of their affairs.....yes sugar babes do tell stories about their sd`s to their boy friends.....were amusing.
Cloudsurf,
The amount of time needed to be invested in SBs is certainly more than for escorts but some people like the thrill of the hunt so to speak, and some develop a really good canned (more or less) intro to use which can be copied and pasted or modified copied and pasted. There is no way around the preliminary dating process, and yes that’s time consuming, but some of us are social animals and we like the social time and see it as an appetizer to the main course. There are clearly some guys who prefer the takeout pizza approach to save time, and just get right down to business. STN has posted I don’t know how many times that he is a take out pizza kind of guy and sees no need for actual dinner or social time dates. Everyone has to decide what is worth it for themselves and what fits with their needs and agendas and time allotment. I think Seeking works better for single or divorced guys. My married friends who use Seeking like the service but complain that they don’t have the time needed to perfect opportunities arising on Seeking and when they do they have to use hotels. It’s a game that is much easier to play if your single.
The amount of time needed to be invested in SBs is certainly more than for escorts but some people like the thrill of the hunt so to speak, and some develop a really good canned (more or less) intro to use which can be copied and pasted or modified copied and pasted. There is no way around the preliminary dating process, and yes that’s time consuming, but some of us are social animals and we like the social time and see it as an appetizer to the main course. There are clearly some guys who prefer the takeout pizza approach to save time, and just get right down to business. STN has posted I don’t know how many times that he is a take out pizza kind of guy and sees no need for actual dinner or social time dates. Everyone has to decide what is worth it for themselves and what fits with their needs and agendas and time allotment. I think Seeking works better for single or divorced guys. My married friends who use Seeking like the service but complain that they don’t have the time needed to perfect opportunities arising on Seeking and when they do they have to use hotels. It’s a game that is much easier to play if your single.
Most SBs are NOT escorts however. I think escorts are about 5% of what’s on Seeking and with my filtered search I rarely come across other than regular civilian college girls who need cash badly.
Bleeding heart liberals would accuse you of taking advantage of a socially unjust situation.
I don`t. I`m pleased that these girls are helping themselves get a better life with higher education.
I helped pay a s/b get a masters degree in finance. With that degree she got a good job in an investment bank. She ended up falling in love and marrying a young millionaire client of the bank.
I don’t see it as taking advantage of an unjust situation. But for SDs, these ladies cannot afford rent and and tuition and become wards of the State, supported by the taxpayers. It’s socially preferable to have private subsidization of this sector of the economy. I see no reason for liberals or conservatives to object, but Seeking has greater risk from politically right-wing groups with the agenda of pleasing religious and/or law and order fanatics who perceive it as a threat to their supposed moral fiber.
Cloudsurf, there probably is a bigger appeal for SB in the U.S. In some cities, law enforcement has gone after the escort business. It's random and it's real. You can always stick to the same escorts, but if they retire or you want some variety Seeking.com seems like a good route. Given the upward price pressure here for attractive, young escorts, the economics don't seem so bad. Not everyone can just jump in a car and drive to Montreal.
It sounds like SB is a form of escorting for some girls. I know some will disagree. It's just a subjective assessment from reading the accounts here. I'm not a Law Enforcement expert. I am cautious so I don't have to worry about the law. Seeking.com and the entire dance between the guys and the girls would seem to give men and women legal cover.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see some enterprising local LE go after Seeking.com participants. Frankly, a few of the girls' profiles sound like escorts. They're clearly up for anything. If we use Jalimon's approach with a strong P4P intro, I can see that being problematic with the law at some point. On the flip side, if you are having coffee, lunch, etc. before you get too explicit, the police will have no time for such a long game.
It sounds like SB is a form of escorting for some girls. I know some will disagree. It's just a subjective assessment from reading the accounts here. I'm not a Law Enforcement expert. I am cautious so I don't have to worry about the law. Seeking.com and the entire dance between the guys and the girls would seem to give men and women legal cover.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see some enterprising local LE go after Seeking.com participants. Frankly, a few of the girls' profiles sound like escorts. They're clearly up for anything. If we use Jalimon's approach with a strong P4P intro, I can see that being problematic with the law at some point. On the flip side, if you are having coffee, lunch, etc. before you get too explicit, the police will have no time for such a long game.
I'm riffing off some of your political posts. You seem to have a problem with old, white Republicans. Some of us resemble your remarks.
My Dad is an old white Republican and he is my best friend. He was President of the Young Republicans in college back in the 1950s, voted for Eisenhower and his “I Like Ike” button is a cherished personal possession.
Never respond to such a proposal. Just delete and move on. Trolling is not productive of anything and only wastes your own time which is better spent messaging the next candidate. Your percentage of pros seems way too high and something is magnetizing them. I would hide your profile and only respond to responses to your messages. No responses to unsolicited messages. When I first signed up I was getting spammed by pros/fuglies and I just hid my profile and that way only had to respond to responses to my own messages. Most of the ladies who are messaging unsolicited are pros or else can’t get dates. Hotties don’t need to spam.
Whether you technically call them "escorts" or not, there are a lot of hustlers on SA. I'm sure when you select the girls who you contact you skip over the all the girls who desire luxury, exotic travel, gifts, monthly allowances. Champagne Wishes and Caviar Delusions.
Nothing wrong with travel, but I would expect a lot of connection mentally as well as physically before I'm spending several days with someone.
Darn right Cloudy. even before the #MeToo movement, the majority of the vocal abolitionists in the USA were and still are left wing militant feminists. Read their tripe sometime. We pay the girls 200$-500$ to help us deal with our guilt for exploitation.
I like the SD concept. I just don't have the time or patience for this and it seems expensive. I want to use a filter on the site so that I can more easily find the pros.
Well, sure, but Ike would be a Democrat today. Like most intelligent Republicans (From, Will, Schmidt, Kristol, Gerson, Boot, Rubin, etc, etc.) he'd be horrified at what has become of his party.
Sure, but you're talking CT. Up here, that figure is much, much higher, I'd bet between 30-40%. When I was active on SA, I'd regularly get one and two word messages, obviously from working girls.
It's not just conservative and religious zealots who would oppose sugar arrangements. I get tired of always having to point this out about any kind of paid sex.
Eager ask the next feminist prosecutor you meet what she thinks of sugar daddies. Then ask her what she would think of you if, purely hypothetically of course, you told her that you are an enthusiastic client of sugar babies...not to mention escorts. Go ahead Eager! Ask and then let us know how that went. :lol:
I agree with EB that using SA and making arrangements is much easier for single/divorced guys, esp. if you have a nice, comfortable, safe home where you can discreetly host a woman. Many women, esp. those in my preferred demographic of single moms, simply can't or won't host a sugar daddy in their homes.
Also, going to a hotel room, unless it's a really upscale hotel, makes the encounter feel more like an escort meeting a client. It also adds to the cost. Some sugar babies might do it and enjoy it if it's a luxury hotel, but hosting in my own home has worked best for me.
The myth about arrangements costing lots more time and money than professional escorts comes up over and over again. I think some guys keep mentioning this because they either cannot or don't want to try an arrangement.
CS, let's say you live somewhere in the middle of nowhere USA and so Montreal, Germany and Asia are not easily reachable destinations except 2 or 3 times per year. So where you live, let's say for example, Indiana, you are faced with this choice when it comes to getting sex for money-which would you choose?
1. Escorts who cost $300/hour and up. Here's a representative sample of escorts for Indiana: https://www.eros.com/indiana/sections/indiana_escorts.htm Are you impressed? I didn't think so.
2. An Indiana sugar baby. With a small investment of research, time and money, I guarantee that you could identify, meet and have sexual encounters with a number of women who are not only more attractive than those Indiana escorts but would also charge half the price of the pros.
I admit that some guys will still choose option 1. They simply prefer any kind of takeout pizza (to borrow Eager’s analogy) to a nice meal that takes a little time and effort to plan.
I just looked at the women on SA who live within 50 miles of Indianapolis. There are lots of good possibilities.
Montreal has both a great escort scene and, based on what I have seen while browsing on SA, a great sugar scene. If I lived there, I would seek opportunities wherever I could find them.
I actually tested the Montreal sugar scene and got roughly twice as many positive responses as I did with the same amount of messaging in CT. Montreal is slightly more fertile Seeking ground (for what I like) than is NYC, and after those two venues, CT, Mass. and Florida gulf coast, in order, of the venues I have actually tested. I used the same filtered search in all of these venues.
It does help to be near cities which lots of college students.
It does help to be near cities which lots of college students.
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