Long term arrangements

[CaptRenault]

...In the first few days I messaged as many girls as I could, got some replies...

Mistake number 1.

...Most of them are open to the idea of “Pay Per Meeting"...

Mistake number 2.

..The first girl seemed a bit crazy in text, I asked her expectation, she replied "it ranges from 400-1500 from going movies to meeting in a hotel. I am fine with strictly sex" I was kind of mad then I just asked her "what is your rate?". .

Mistake number 3.

...2nd one agreed to meet in a hotel room for the first time meeting and asked for 400 for 1.5 hours, again I didn't find it reasonable but still I replied "for this expectation I gotta see more pics of you", her responds was "if you just wanna more pictures then you are not looking for emotional connection." Later I convinced her to meet for coffee first, will see how it goes..

Mistake number 4.

...I tried my best to approach them as they are civilian girls, although a great deal of them are essentially escorting. Probably because I have been seeing escorts too long, I couldn't help but always sound like "I just wanna sex and please make an offer." So far not so much positive experience.

Eager is right. You should stick to escorts. You clearly don't have the patience or the kind of game one needs to succeed on SA, unless you happen to stumble across an escort who is just using SA as an alternative advertising site.

 

[EagerBeaver]

CR,

I have to agree with your last post 100%

 

[eviltmp]

Gentlemen, I have just started using SA.Due to work reason I moved to a relatively small city, and the escort scene is pretty much dead there so I decided to give SA a try. There is a fair amount of women there but not comparable to big cities.In the first few days I messaged as many girls as I could, got some replies. Most of them are open to the idea of “Pay Per Meeting".The first girl seemed a bit crazy in text, I asked her expectation, she replied "it ranges from 400-1500 from going movies to meeting in a hotel. I am fine with strictly sex" I was kind of mad then I just asked her "what is your rate?". Then she made it clear she is not a prostitute and that was the end of our conversation.2nd one agreed to meet in a hotel room for the first time meeting and asked for 400 for 1.5 hours, again I didn't find it reasonable but still I replied "for this expectation I gotta see more pics of you", her responds was "if you just wanna more pictures then you are not looking for emotional connection." Later I convinced her to meet for coffee first, will see how it goes.3rd one the talk is still ongoing but she made it very clear "few times a month, each time one hour, an allowance per time" I haven't asked her how much tho, it is gonna be high I am sure.I am surprised there is quit a few girls on SA that I actually know them in person, one is a very hot nurse who is my friend's ex, messaged her haven't heard back yet, probably won't work cuz she is way too hot for me. Another girl is very popular on Instagram, also popular in school, I didn't bother to try. I tried my best to approach them as they are civilian girls, although a great deal of them are essentially escorting. Probably because I have been seeing escorts too long, I couldn't help but always sound like "I just wanna sex and please make an offer." So far not so much positive experience.

Dude, SA is not for you. If you're trying to meet a cute college girl that's a bit uncertain about the whole thing, she will be gone after a couple of messages. The ones who will stick around with that approach are the pros. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but be aware that your approach dictates who you end up meeting face to face.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Dude, SA is not for you. If you're trying to meet a cute college girl that's a bit uncertain about the whole thing, she will be gone after a couple of messages. The ones who will stick around with that approach are the pros. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but be aware that your approach dictates who you end up meeting face to face.

Bingo - dead on correct analysis. He has a losing game plan for getting dates with the hot young college non pros.

 

[sambuca]

So please correct me if I'm wrong, you have to offer the veneer of a relationship with the young, non-pro girls? I don't mean commitment or monogamy, but you have to play the game so that it appears you are looking for a connection and some companionship beyond sex.

You experienced guys do you ever fake the connection/relationship part in order to sleep with young hotties. I ask because I don't think I can. I think I would have to find some connection. With a first world escort, it's a whole different mind set. A good escort makes you comfortable, but it's a relatively transient transaction.

Have you ever concerned about anonymity? Have you ever had a bad severing of an arrangement? I worry about threats and the like.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The young non pros want to see a guy be able to establish a connection with them. That means a willingness to go out on a few dates, acting like a gentleman, not talking about CIM (as Jalimon did before getting banned) and showing yourself to be a regular dude. If you do all of that, are decently well dressed and well groomed, and can talk a good game, pretty much anything is on the table depending on your negotiating skills. You never talk about relationships or the veneer of relationships. Almost all the young non pros have disclaimers on their profiles that say something like "nothing serious." What that means is they don't want a committed relationship but NSA, FWB type fun.

Anonymity is a 2 way street, and never had threats because the girls usually have more to lose than the guys once you get to that point in an arrangement. I had one bad severing- simple expedient was to block her on my phone. She was just a little too crazy. She did make a threat along the lines of warning other women on SA about me, but you can delete and start new profiles if such threats were ever acted upon, which in her case they were not. There is no real info on SA, it's like MERB, fake handles are used, so the anonymity issue is the same with SA girls as escorts for the most part, difference being you do at some point need to take an SA girl to your place. Hopefully you only do that after making a solid decision on her character and discretion.

Sambuca, all of the above is common sense which needs no explaining to intelligent men who understand how the game is played. If you can do all of the above, SA is easy.

 

[sambuca]

I'm not sure it's as easy as you make it out to be. I don't find women to ever be that simple. I actually thought sex was kind of implied early on. Now it seems like you might be implying that you have to take them out (and pay them a fee) a few times before it leads to the bedroom. I certainly wouldn't start demanding sexual services in my initial conversations, but it's nice to know that's the whole point.

There are some smokin' hot girls with absolutely ridiculous expectations that don't even discuss what they offer other than there smokin' hot photos. I would look for a girl who is attractive but has realistic expectations. I'm guessing I would connect better with these girls. Then there are some women who have profiles that I can't figure out what the hell they want. Don't be coy.

Eager, I think you misconstrued my comment "veneer of a relationship". I'm talking about the connection that makes it less transactional. Young women are into appearances. So I'm sure if you were very blunt with the sex for money talk it would freak many of them out.

So do you ever "fake" the connection just to be with a hot, young girl?

 

[EagerBeaver]

So do you ever "fake" the connection just to be with a hot, young girl?

I don't understand this question. I do not fake anything. I am a very social guy and usually if I get a date with a girl, whether I am paying her for social time or just dinner, I am able to chat and make conversation. I know how to talk with younger women. Connections, in my experience, do not get faked. You either can make one, or you can't. I suspect it could be easier for me than for most because I am glib and versatile and can slide into different conversations on different topics with relative ease. As far as appearances, while I am not Brad Pitt, I do dress well and look reasonably sophisticated. I think women want to see a guy who looks the part of a professional, middle aged dude and I can pull that off. For my occupation I need to dress well so this should not be hard and it isn't.

The main task is to keep a conversation sustained and interesting and keep the girl comfortable, which means acting like you are in no hurry to fuck her, even while the boner is trying to burst through your zipper. If that is what you mean by fakery, then I must plead guilty as charged. One of my friends on SA believes, and I agree, that if you dress the part and talk the part, native looks make very little difference unless you are Jabba The Hutt ugly. Girls know guys with money are generally 40 and up anyway.

So nothing is really faked in the true sense in my mind. If something significant is faked, or has to be faked, girls have radar for that. Perhaps, you mean passing myself off as being more sophisticated than I actually am? I do not really know what you mean and cannot answer a question I do not understand.

Arrangements can range from nude pics for money, to kissing to full sex for money. There are a lot of girls who look hot and will only offer pics and vids for money and they will usually say "online only" and that is what that means.

 

[sambuca]

So how many dates are you and others going on before you get intimate? From earlier posts I got the impression that the girl's know what's up and after your introductory meeting(s) thing progress quickly.

I don't know if I'm overthinking it, but I saw some cute girls who live in smaller towns an hour or two from my city. They seemed genuinely bored and interested in having fun in the city. Some of the city girls seem like hustlers.

On a different note, I see attractive women in their 40s on the site. I'm thinking honey you're attractive but I would just take you to dinner. I'm kind of confused, but perhaps they find much older guys who want to pay them for their more mature companionship.

 

[EagerBeaver]

So how many dates are you and others going on before you get intimate? From earlier posts I got the impression that the girl's know what's up and after your introductory meeting(s) thing progress quickly.

Anywhere from 2 to 4 dates ( in other words sex on 2nd to 4th date). I met 2 in NYC recently, same day, and both agreed to sex on the second date. I already had the sex with the hotter of the two. The other one our schedules just did not line up yet. Both were African American college girls in NYC.

On a different note, I see attractive women in their 40s on the site. I'm thinking honey you're attractive but I would just take you to dinner. I'm kind of confused, but perhaps they find much older guys who want to pay them for their more mature companionship.

Not a demograohic I would pursue but I would suggest Captain Renault can help you here. I am pretty much exclusively dating the 18-25 college and grad school girls because their are droves of them on Seeking.

 

[CaptRenault]

So how many dates are you and others going on before you get intimate? From earlier posts I got the impression that the girl's know what's up and after your introductory meeting(s) thing progress quickly.

...On a different note, I see attractive women in their 40s on the site...

Though I have communicated using the SA messaging system with quite a few women on SA, I have met only three in person. In each case, after the initial get-to-know you meeting, the next date involved some social time (such as lunch) and then a sexual encounter at my home.

However, before meeting each one, I exchanged a number of messages with each woman and we both shared a limited amount of personal information about ourselves beyond what is in our profiles. These messages were similar to the kind of messages that you might exchange with a woman on a dating site. Those messages do not, I repeat do not, involve questions about sexual services, rates, sexual practices, sexual preferences etc. It's about flirting. It's about selling yourself and making the woman feel comfortable and safe enough to meet you and evaluate as a potential sexual partner.

It's also about her selling herself to you, convincing you that she's not crazy and that she is trustworthy enough for you to reveal your true identity. I think the process of feeling each other out via the SA messaging system is an important, but somewhat overlooked part of the process. It's more complicated than messaging an escort or an agency, "Hey are you available at 10 on Friday? What's the rate?"

So please correct me if I'm wrong, you have to offer the veneer of a relationship with the young, non-pro girls? I don't mean commitment or monogamy, but you have to play the game so that it appears you are looking for a connection and some companionship beyond sex...You experienced guys do you ever fake the connection/relationship part in order to sleep with young hotties. I ask because I don't think I can. I think I would have to find some connection...

Have you ever concerned about anonymity? Have you ever had a bad severing of an arrangement? .

There is a continuum of possible relationships that can result from meeting a woman on SA. It's whatever two people want it to be. Some women might desire a relationship that resembles a real relationship and some women are happy to carry on a relationship that resembles one between an escort and a client...and then there's everything in between.

As I've stated before though, I do think that one thing many sugar babies desire is repeat business with one or a couple sugar daddies. They generally do not want to meet and have sex with lots of different men one by one (though some may operate that way if they have to in order to get the money they need/want).

If you are overly concerned about guarding your privacy, then arrangements are probably not for you. They work best when each party reveals a certain amount of personal information (but not everything) about themselves.

...I actually thought sex was kind of implied early on. Now it seems like you might be implying that you have to take them out (and pay them a fee) a few times before it leads to the bedroom. I certainly wouldn't start demanding sexual services in my initial conversations, but it's nice to know that's the whole point...There are some smokin' hot girls with absolutely ridiculous expectations that don't even discuss what they offer other than there smokin' hot photos. I would look for a girl who is attractive but has realistic expectations.

Most of the women on SA are committed to having sex, but, and it's a big BUT, only with guys that pass their own standards for acceptability in looks, safety, income, educational background, intelligence and whatever standards they have. The standards are not universal-they vary from woman to woman. Keep in mind that if a woman agrees to meet you in person for a get-to-know session, you have already passed the first hurdle and she is seriously considering having sex with you.

As for whom to target? Chacun à son goût. Each to his own. In my case, based on browsing, messaging and realistic self-reflection about my needs and wants and realistic appraisal of whom I could attract, I settled on the 25-40 yr. old single mom demographic.

I didn't find my ideal sugar baby until the third try though the sex with the first two was pretty good and worth it. The third and current SB is a 29 yr.-old very attractive (more attractive than most escorts avail. near me) hispanic single mom with one child and a regular job in sales that allows her to sometimes meet me for lunch and fun time in the middle of the day. I have been seeing her an average of once a month since last December. Our dates last 2-2 1/2 hours and I pay her $300 per date. $300 per hour is the prevailing hourly rate for escorts near where I live.

I realize that many guys will read this and say "Good grief! That's too much work! I'd rather call an escort!"

Fine, great. That's exactly what you should do-forget arrangements and hire an escort. :nod:

 

[EagerBeaver]

Jack,

I have searched in multiple geographical areas including Montreal, New York City, Connecticut, Florida, and southern Massachusetts, and it's true that there are different SB pools in different venues. Do you have a saved search? I use the same saved search in all venues and my search criteria are:

Newest ladies shown first (and then I switch to recently active)
18-25 age restricted
slim, athletic and average body type restricted
no racial restrictions
no height restrictions

With that search, I have not had any problems finding women in any of those venues, who are legit college girls. The newer, younger ladies are the ones who most often do not know what they want in terms of anything, and are usually easiest to negotiate with. For some reason, you are finding pros. My guess is you are not age and newness restricting your search. You have to use your search filters.

Also you may need to send out around 15 messages to get a few dates so do not take it personally, you need to appreciate that there are going to be swings and misses, as in baseball, before you launch a few home runs. I think working on an opening message that introduces yourself and expresses interest in a polite way usually gets a message thread going. Girls who send those kinds of messages you have described, just delete them without response and move on to the next girl. You always want to meet a lady first -never make a deal without seeing her in person. There are some that use fake pics although that is rare in my experience. I met one who used fake pics in NYC and she was actually hot, but used the hot pics of another girl, apparently for privacy reasons.

Montreal and NYC are the best buyer's markets there are, full of broke college girls looking for SDs. One of the ones I met in NYC who offered "play time" on the second date, for $400, was a tall very attractive 22 year old college student. I asked her why she was not in an arrangement and she said she had a number of dates but "nothing consistent", just seeing guys a few times. When I asked her why she thought that was, she said, "the selection of what is out there is really large and there is a lot of variety." I think she is right.

 

[sambuca]

CaptRenault, okay that makes sense. Sounds like you have a nice companion.

I'm not looking for a super young, hotty. Meeting once or twice a month sounds perfect. A couple hours of relaxed time would be fine. I'm not trying to jam multiple shots on goal or anything like that. Maybe just a relaxed session, some food, some drink, some conversation.

I'm sure some of the Indy girls who advertise three hour dinner dates at $1,000 would object, but that's not my problem.

 

[CaptRenault]

. ..I'm sure some of the Indy girls who advertise three hour dinner dates at $1,000 would object, but that's not my problem.

True, their business can suffer the kind of disruption from sugar babies that taxi companies suffer from Uber and hotels suffer from Airbnb. But as you say, that's not our problem. Competition is good for consumers.

Also, as we sometimes see here on MERB, high priced Indy girls sometimes react like taxi and hotel companies do, by endorsing regulatory restrictions on competition.

 

[sambuca]

Is it my imagination, but in the U.S. are there a lot hot, young black girls on SA fulfilling older men's fantasies? It sounds like Eager has a penchant for the ebony ladies.

 

[eviltmp]

I know I've mentioned this before but the more money she asks of you, the less she actually cares about you. These girls you message and boom they tell you some ridiculous number (many hundred$) is because she couldn't care less about who you are. For that amount she'll screw anybody including a sasquatch. The corollary is that the less she cares about you, the less interesting the main event will be.

Talk to them like a you would a friend, show some interest in them and if she's attracted to you you'll have the time of your life. Even a total knockout will be happy with a couple of hundred for an overnight you'll never forget, if she really likes you.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Is it my imagination, but in the U.S. are there a lot hot, young black girls on SA fulfilling older men's fantasies? It sounds like Eager has a penchant for the ebony ladies.

I date women of all races but for whatever reason I have had an amazing recent run of luck with ebony ladies. Three I recently dated were actually mixed: one was half Italian American and half Jamaican; one was half African American and half Portuguese; the third was “Blasian”, a mix of black and Chinese. All very, very attractive. In my area there are a large number of black or mixed college students on SA which is now called Seeking. Their economic situations seem a bit more dire than others. Of the 3 aforementioned two come from unstable families where there have been divorced parents and numerous siblings, all of whom have essentially been left to fend for themselves with no help from their parents. It’s a tough world out there for such women, and Sugar Daddy Aid is more imperative. That being said, the attitudes of these women towards sex with older men at a younger age seem considerably more open, in my experience, than with white suburban college girls. Most of these women want to date white men, even prefer it.

For all these reasons I think the answer to your question is yes.

I never even dated any black women until I was in my 40s. It’s mainly because I never was exposed to very attractive black women due to the negligence of my parents in raising me in white suburbs and sending me to private schools generally affordable only by whites. Once I was free of such parental shackles and began to venture into the real world and started representing black clients and started getting exposed to more of their culture and seeing and meeting such women, I realized a beautiful woman is a beautiful women, and race doesn’t matter one bit. However I have always been attracted to brunette darker skinned women even of the white race. So it’s likely I just tapped into something that could and should have been tapped into much earlier in my life. But wasn’t due to the upbringing I had.

 

[etalon69]

Hey everyone, (sorry for the long message in advance!)

Since reading all of this thread helped me out a lot in discovering SA and the world of sugar daddies and sugar babies, i wanted to write about my experience with SA as it could benefit others.

A couple of months ago, after reading this thread and in search of variety (i was always seeing the same MP/SP), i registered a free account on SA and was browsing the women in my area and was pleasantly surprised by the nice women i was seeing so i decided to try for 1 month only (due to the very high price of 80$ US per month to be able to exchange messages!!)

During that month, i tried to get as many contacts (phone numbers) as possible before my account expires and then i would decide which one(s) i would see. I did put photos of myself (im a guy next door, no brad pitt) and i was surprised by the amount of women coming to talk to me! Most of them told me it was because i was young (below 40 years old). I barely did have to make the first steps, they came first! I only had to choose!

I told the same thing to all women that i discussed with, i told them that i was looking for simple SD/SB relationship to go out and have fun but i was most looking for "intimate relationships". I told them i would pay all expenses and i was willing only to pay a fee per encounter. So right from the start they knew what i wanted and i was offering them 300$ per encounter (i was requesting a minimum of 2 hours). I also told them that they could have other SD if they wanted and told them i might have other SB's.

In 1 month, i got a total of 11 phone numbers. I also discussed with 5-6 women where they werent interested or i didnt pursue further because i had too many contacts (i am not that rich to sustain that many relationships all at the same time! ha ha ha)

1st SB: She contacted me within minutes after i paid for my account. She was a 24 yo girl next door, a little chubby but she was taking care of herself. She wanted 2000$ per month for one encounter a week but was willing to meet at a 300$ encounter once to see if it clicked. However i never met her. She was always busy and i found hotter chicks so i just never messaged her back

2nd SB: A super hot 20yo asian college girl, she messaged me and was totally up for the offer but she was asking for 500$ per encounter. We went to have a drink in a bar, she was so hot that most of the guys were turning their heads to look at her when we were passing through and looking at me with a smile. We did chat for about 2 hours and were having fun and i invited her home and we had sex on the first night. Sex was good but she was mostly on her cell phone all the time so she wasnt 100% there when i was chatting with her and i thought 500$ per encounter was a lot so i thought i would meet others before pursuing but i was never able to reach her after, she must have found another SD with more money

3rd SB: A 18 yo girl next door little nympho student with a very nice little body! That was my best encounter. She was the one who reached out to me on the site, she asked for 400$ per encounter but pretty much everything is on the menu. After discussing terms, there was no pre-meeting, she came directly to my home. Sex has been awesome. I saw her about 10 times since then, still seeing her now!

4th SB: A 24 yo sportive girl next door. I thought she was cute and i am the one who reached out to her on SA. She was very open to my offer and there was no pre-meeting either, she came to my home, we chatted for a few hours and had sex. She was pretty open, i saw her about 5-6 times. However i stopped seeing her because she had a busy schedule and each time i was seeing her, she kept reducing the time we spent together and always had to leave early but wasnt reducing the donation. So instead of arguing on this and due to the fact i had so many potential candidates, i didnt pursue.

5th SB: a 23 yo girl next door type again with a nice style. I had found her on tinder before and didnt have a match so when i saw her on SA, i didnt hesitate to message her because i thought she looked very nice. We discussed a little and she was so busy she didnt have time for a boyfriend but she wanted to have some no strings attached fun (but for money ) She asked 400$ per encounter (i didnt succeed in dealing below) and she came directly to my home without a pre-meeting. As usual the modus operandi was chatting for a while with a drink and having sex. She was pretty open and sex was good. Only saw her twice because she is always too busy. We had multiple scheduled meetings that failed to happen but i am still exchanging text messages with her at this point.

6th SB: A 20 yo girl next door. We exchanged a looooot of messages regarding what we were looking for. She was looking for only 1 sugar daddy to be with exclusively. (she was coming off a 1 year relation with a SD) I told her i wasnt set on being exclusive yet but told her it could be possible. Then i found out she had a fake picture but she sent me some pictures of her through text messages, even topless ones which made me want to meet her! Money wasnt that important to her, she thought 300$ was too much, she was willing to take less money. We arranged a pre-meeting and went to have a drink, then i brought her home and we had sex. She wasnt very open and sex was just ok so i didnt see her again. Anyway i wasnt entirely what she was looking for especially with my experiences with my little nympho!

7th SB: a 19 yo girl with a very nice athletic body (as per her pictures). She reached out to me on SA, she was looking for A LOT of money for a big trip. I discussed a little with her and told her what i was looking for and she wasnt open to having intimate relationship for money. She was expecting to be paid 250$ per encounter for just her company. I still got her cell phone number to keep discussing. She then disappeared from the site because she kept getting weird requests from really old guys as she told me and she said she kept me because i was cute. I proposed to her to go have a drink and chat and see if it works and then we can think about going further if she wants. She agreed but the 2 times we were supposed to meet, she backed out. I kept exchanging text messages with her for 2 months but it never got anywhere. So nothing happened!

8th SB: A 26 yo university student, very beautiful on her pictures. She is the one who reached out to me on SA. We discussed and i told her what i was looking for, she agreed to my terms and exchanged phone numbers to arrange a meeting. I tried to setup a meeting around 5-6 times over 2 months, each time she would tell me she would get back to me but never did. I guess she had too many SD's. I didnt message her after

9th SB: A 18 year old very cute student (as per her pictures). She was pretty never online and after discussing, she was looking for a relationship more on the romantic side. She was open to intimate relationship but not at the beginning. I could see this one being a very long game. But she was hot so i decided i would try. We exchanged phone numbers and discussed many times over text messages. I tried setting up meetings 2-3 times just to have a drink and discuss to see if there was a connection. After a while, she was very slow to respond to messages and she ended up telling me that she wouldnt pursue because she wasnt "game" enough to meet someone, she had never met someone through that site before even if she was registered for many months. So that one was time lost entirely.

10th SB: A 20 year old college student of the girl next door type but her pictures showed that she had a great body. She reached out to me on SA to discuss. As usual i told her my terms and she agreed to them. She quickly gave me her phone number to chat. I tried setting up a meeting on a weekday and the day she was available was a day i was meeting another SB so i told her i would let her know if i could make it. Then my other SB couldnt on that day so when i got back to her, she wasnt available anymore. I tried to arrange other meetings just to go chat, have a drink and see if there was a connection but she never could and was slow to respond which means lack of interest. She either found other SD's or she just wasnt "game" enough like the other one. No meeting happened, i lost my time on that one.

11th SB: a 21 year old university student coming from another canadian province. She was in Quebec to learn french and study. She is the one who reached out to me on SA. i thought she was cute on her pictures, a girl next door. We quickly exchanged phone numbers and arranged a meeting to have a drink and chat. We had lots of fun and we connected so after that she discussed her terms. Also, she was much hotter in person than on her pictures. She initially had agreed to my terms but she said that she wanted 500$ instead of 300$ for a meeting. Since she was asking for that much, i asked her to stay the night which she agreed. I picked her up and brought her home, we had a drink and discussed and had fun. Then we had sex twice, and once again in the morning! She had an awesome body. After that meeting, we exchanged a couple of text messages and i wanted to see her again but she just stopped responding to me and she disappeared from SA. So i guess this was a one time deal, or she found a SD with more money (or more interesting than me). It was weird because we had lots of fun and then no news. Its too bad because i would have seen her again!

There were many other women that i discussed with that didnt go anywhere. There was a 26yo single mom with a superb little body that agreed to my terms but we never could arrange a meeting due to her needing someone to take care of the kid during our meeting and anyway, i had so many SB's that i just stopped trying with her.

So in overall, my experience was hit and miss, a lot of discussions and arrangements dont go anywhere but there are also a lot of open women who are willing to go intimate quickly if your price match their needs! There were many hot women that i didnt even go for on SA because their lifestyle was set to luxurious and i was definitely not rich enough to even be in their league (they didnt reach out to me either ) I am pretty sure that all of the women i met werent SP's but just regular girl next door looking to make some money. I look at all the ads in my region and recognized many SP's (and even MP's that i already met before) by looking at the pictures on SA.
If you are average looking and clearly tell them what you want, you can make some good encounters on SA. I feel like pursing but the monthly price tag to be on the site is too high for me. Among all the SB's i have met, i am still seeing 2 of them and enjoying it

 

[EagerBeaver]

etalon,

I am a bit older than you but the wide variety of experiences I have had mirrors yours.

I am mining the same age demographic as you, and you have an advantage on me in your youth, but I can talk to the younger women, and I try to compensate for the age thing with dressing well and mentorship attendant to my age and experience in life. If you are going to be an older guy, mentorship is one advantage you bring to the table and it's all about playing to your strengths and minimizing your weaknesses, just like a sports team does. All part of the game. All young women want and need a solid mentor in life and many so state in their profiles.

One of the experiences you had, which I did as well, is that some of the younger ones in particular (18-20) need a bunch of dates, need to achieve a comfort level over more than 1 or 2 dates, and are long term propositions before they hop in bed with you. But I kind of like that challenge. Longer dates (I am talking dinner dates), also including sex, are very doable with young hotties for anywhere from $300 to $500. Some of the really hot young ones, especially those on the website for a while, can be very mercenary but sex is on the table with almost all of them, and the ones for whom it isn't, you will figure that out right away.

I think women at around age 22 start to get more comfortable sexually and are more inclined to hop in bed after 1 date if you fit their general criteria - that you look presentable and not offensively ugly, act reasonably chivalrously, and do not attempt to be controlling and give them their space, and can talk to them like a friend does. Very important to them is the guy not acting weird or possessive, not talking about or soliciting sex (like Jalimon who was banned from Seeking), and respecting their privacy and being discreet.

Like you, I have amassed a bunch of phone numbers and a couple of these contacts I am not regularly dating, but if I text them and ask them for dinner and some fun, the answer is yes. These are my bench players, but they always come through for me off the bench. I have 2 right now that answer the call when summoned off the bench for dinner dates, while I work on plans A and B with other girls, unbeknownst to them. The beauty of Seeking is you could potentially maintain an entire team, with starters and bench players. You can, like a baseball manager or hockey coach, create your own lineup, going with looks or personality depending on the occasion in which you need them - sort of like deciding on a baseball lineup and whether to go with a lefty or righty hitter or pitcher or DH and using defensive replacements. Or a hockey team and who to play on what line and calling on that goal scorer when you need her.

The collective experiences with women I have had on SA/Seeking have better developed my social skills with women because even though you pay for the company, different women have different expectations, emotional needs, and sexual needs and limits, and all of these things have to be learned, understood and nurtured. This is all an educational process. For the ones who took more than 3 dates to have sex with, the challenge and realization of the reward was itself educational because you learned what buttons had to be pushed to achieve the end result.

 

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Very important to them is the guy not acting weird or possessive, not talking about CIM (like Jalimon), and respecting their privacy and being discreet.

EB do not start fake news. Jalimon never asked for cim to them via SA. Please remove your post or change it