Does anyone on here believe in god and the bible?

[BookerL]

Hello EB



Old testament

, health laws found in the Bible are to:

Eat your meals at regular intervals (Ecclesiastes 10:17).
Don't overeat (Proverbs 23:2,)
Make mealtime a happy time (Ecclesiastes 3:13)
Don't harbor envy or hold grudges (Proverbs 14:30,)
Maintain a cheerful, happy disposition (Proverbs 17:22; 23:7).
Balance work and exercise with sleep and rest (Ecclesiastes 2:22,23; 5:12, Psalm 127:2).
Also, the blood can transfer diseases. Science is just catching up with the Bible. ]
Put full trust in the Lord (Proverbs 4:20-22; 19:23)
Avoid eating animals that die by themselves,( Ezekiel 4:14).

Keep your body clean (Isaiah 52:11).
Help those who are in need (Isaiah 58:6-8).
The Pentateuch which consist of the 5 first books of the old testament
Bury body waste to avoid disease (Deuteronomy 23:12-13). [Note: This is obviously for health reasons, because history and science has shown that if this was not done, diseases would spread and people would die from them]

Do not boil a young animal in its mother's milk (Deuteronomy 14:21).
Balance work and exercise with sleep and rest (Exodus 20:9,10, )
Do not eat animal fat or blood (Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 3:17; 7:23-27; 17:10-14, Deuteronomy 12:16). [Note: Recent scientific studies have confirmed the fact that most heart attacks result from a high cholesterol level in the blood -and that the use of "fats" is largely responsible for this high level. .
Avoid eating animals that die by themselves (Leviticus 17:15; 22:8, Deuteronomy 14:21)

New testament

Don't overeat ( Luke 21:34).
Don't harbor envy or hold grudges ( Matthew 5:23,24).


Be temperate in all things (1 Corinthians 9:25, Philippians 4:5).
Avoid all harmful stimulants [Note: Medical science has confirmed the fact that tea, coffee, and soft drinks that contain the addictive drug caffeine and other harmful ingredients are all positively damaging to the body]

Avoid eating animals that were strangled (Acts 15:20,29; 21:25).

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Booker if you want citation try this- very simplistic but a seminar I attended on the origins of public health law which cited far more citations including early regulations on drinking water and cleansing of blood of others from the body.

Very interesting that a seminar for health laws would use the Bible for a sort of guidance,the men that have written the Bible had no science to come to does conclusion interesting ,
Thanks for the referrals EB

The point is that the health laws in the bible came before public health laws or modern medicine. And provided their origins. In 2016 we have the science to back it up, but many of thousands of years ago they did not.

Cheers





Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

Hello EB



Old testament

New testament





Very interesting that a seminar for health laws would use the Bible for a sort of guidance,the men that have written the Bible had no science to come to does conclusion interesting ,
Thanks for the referrals EB




Cheers





Booker

Booker as I said earlier and at the risk of repeating myself, the seminar traced the history of public health law as we know it in the USA and Canada and it originates from the Old Testament, which came before the New Testament. The seminar did not contain the passage I quoted but outlined other health laws all of which had origins in the Old Testament with citations- various books. To understand modern public health laws it helps to learn where it all came from.

 

[blkone]

Jew Books???

The Old Testament yes.

The New Testament not so much....it was written mostly by Jews who turned Christian but compiled by Christians.

The Koran....maybe you know something that the rest of the world doesn`t

The world is not aware that the koran is based on the old testament? The world does not know that the Islamic prophet revered Moses? The world does not realize that the koran is more or less a copy of the old-testament? Has the education system become that awful?

Christianity and Islam are nothing more than Judaic sects. More elaboration on Jewish fairy-tales and that is all they are. The Romans understood that about Christianity when it first emerged.

 

[blkone]

To be a student of law one must necessarily be a student of religions and the Old Testament. For example, all modern public health laws are rooted in the Old Testament which addresses everything from personal hygiene to treatment of drinking water to cleansing blood off soldiers returning from battlefields to their native villages. Many modern public health laws are directly rooted in the Old Testament.

And that's why we're in such a bad situation. We continue to follow fairy-tales. Maybe we should ask Santa for advice on how to live, he seems a jolly fellow!

 

[BookerL]

The Romans understood that about Christianity when it first emerged.

The Romans understood and did what exactly ?



Cheers



Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

The Romans understood and did what exactly ?



Cheers



Booker

BookerL I see you did not get a formal education in world history. The Romans fed the Christians to the lions, believing them to be spreaders of fairy tales and harmful propaganda. Watching lions feed on Christians was their chief form of entertainment along with battling Gladiators, which was their version of what we now watch as boxing or MMA. If you ever wondered what the Roman Coliseum was used for back in the day, now you know.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Roman Civilization was an incredible mix of creative inventions, depravity and barbarism. These are the people who gave us the classic language of Latin and also invented the vomitorium. Their history is quite amazing.

 

[BookerL]

Hello EB

BookerL I see you did not get a formal education in world history. The Romans fed the Christians to the lions, believing them to be spreaders of fairy tales and harmful propaganda. Watching lions feed on Christians was their chief form of entertainment along with battling Gladiators, which was their version of what we now watch as boxing or MMA. If you ever wondered what the Roman Coliseum was used for back in the day, now you know.

The question I have asked wasn't directed at you and read the context of it

Christianity and Islam are nothing more than Judaic sects. More elaboration on Jewish fairy-tales and that is all they are. The Romans understood that about Christianity when it first emerged.

.And I am fully aware of the Roman Catholic Empire and structure and many other religion as well .





Cheers




Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

BookerL,

The Romans enslaved the Jews, but Christians actually suffered a worse fate: they got to be lion food. I believe the Romans did starve those lions before feeding the Christians to them, so that their appetites would be ravenous. So I believe the religions were treated differently by the Romans.

Of course Latin became the language of the Roman Catholic Church but this was many years later after many a Christian had been dinner for a lion.

 

[BookerL]

Hello all

Even if a person is not a Jew or a Christian and does not believe either the Old or New Testaments, you have to concede that the Roman Emperor who converted to Christianity and therefore converted all the Romans to Christianity probably did some good to civilization.

What Constantine did was more a merger between pagan belief and called Christianity ,one of does belief is the Holy Trinity ,Judaism faith did not promote it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/

Judaism is one of the oldest monotheistic religions and was founded over 3500 years ago in the Middle East.

The Arian controversy arose in Alexandria when the newly reinstated presbyter Arius[36] began to spread doctrinal views that were contrary to those of his bishop, St. Alexander of Alexandria. The disputed issues centered on the natures and relationship of God (the Father) and the Son of God (Jesus). The disagreements sprang from different ideas about the God-head and what it meant for Jesus to be his son. Alexander maintained that the Son was divine in just the same sense that the Father is, co-eternal with the Father, else he could not be a true Son. Arius emphasized the supremacy and uniqueness of God the Father, meaning that the Father alone is almighty and infinite, and that therefore the Father's divinity must be greater than the Son's. Arius taught that the Son had a beginning, and that he possessed neither the eternity nor the true divinity of the Father, but was rather made "God" only by the Father's permission and power, and that the Son was rather the very first and the most perfect of God's creatures.

Some distinctive elements in the Nicene Creed, perhaps from the hand of Hosius of Cordova, were added, some specifically to counter the Arian point of view.[12][48]
Jesus Christ is described as "Light from Light, true God from true God", proclaiming his divinity.
Jesus Christ is said to be "begotten, not made", asserting that he was not a mere creature, brought into being out of nothing, but the true Son of God, brought into being 'from the substance of the Father'.
He is said to be "of one being with The Father", proclaiming that although Jesus Christ is "true God" and God The Father is also "true God", the are "of one being", in accord to what is found in John 10:30: "I and the Father are one". The Greek term homoousios, or consubstantial (i.e., "of the same substance) is ascribed by Eusebius of Caesarea to Constantine who, on this particular point, may have chosen to exercise his authority. The significance of this clause, however, is extremely ambiguous as to the extent in which Jesus Christ and God The Father are "of one being", and the issues it raised would be seriously controverted in the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Effects of the council
The long-term effects of the Council of Nicaea were significant. For the first time, representatives of many of the bishops of the Church convened to agree on a doctrinal statement. Also for the first time, the Emperor played a role, by calling together the bishops under his authority, and using the power of the state to give the council's orders effect.

Cheers




Booker

 

[blkone]

:lol:

The bible is a fairy-tale. It's an evil fucking fairy tale that had a god that kills "suckling infants."

It's 2016.

It's time to get rid of the Jew-book. Old-testament, New-Testament, Koran ... Throw them all in the garbage. Hey, that Talmud? In the trash too.

Do you see any God man when you look up? Yeah, thought so.

 

[blkone]

BookerL,

The Romans enslaved the Jews, but Christians actually suffered a worse fate: they got to be lion food.

The Romans did not enslave Jews, they killed them outright.

As for Christians, so what? Christians with their inquisitions murdered hundreds of thousands of people with their religion of 'peace' just like the Muslims and any other sect that descends from the Jew-book.

The Romans were correct to be wary of that goddamn sect. If it was not for Christianity and the thousand years of darkness it brought upon humanity we would be far, far more technologically advanced by now.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are like a cancer and that cancer killed at least 1000 years of science and tech.

If a god is out there he/she/it can talk to us. No need for fairy tales written by people that poop in the morning.

 

[cloudsurf]

bikone , I suggest that you get back on your anti-psychotic meds.
BTW would your grandparents approve of your lunatic rantings.

 

[cloudsurf]

The Romans did not enslave Jews, they killed them outright.

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Like in so many of your suppositions you are wrong.
The Romans killed most of the Jews in Jerusalem but then enslaved and deported most of the Jews in what was then called Palestine.
That is how the Jews eventually ended up in Africa, Asia and most of Europe.
The Spanish Inquisition was actually led by a converted Jew.

 

[cloudsurf]

While I don`t believe in the Bible or a God as describe there in. I do believe in a higher power.
I also believe that the Bible is fiction based on partial fact. It is probably the most awesome work of fiction ever written, and its many authors deserve a Nobel prize.

 

[Passionné]

Even if a person is not a Jew or a Christian and does not believe either the Old or New Testaments, you have to concede that the Roman Emperor who converted to Christianity and therefore converted all the Romans to Christianity probably did some good to civilization.

The idea that converting anyone to a particular religion is more "good" for them than converting to another religion is extremely debatable depending on religious and other views that would create bias in assessment. If we could look at it without influences of favor we grew up with for one religion versus another human behavior would be a constant that persists in each religion. I don't see where any of the major religions has generated a higher form of human behavior. It's probably only the favor/bias we would have for whatever faiths we follow that allow us to think a specific religion does more good.

I think there are some religious teachings that would elevate/be better for human beings, the pure teachings of Christ for example, but tying those with the Old Testament has made Christianity just another faulted very "human" religion like Judaism and Islam. Personally I find religions (all three) that use war to confirm beliefs...ALL TOO HUMAN.

As for Constantine, his real concern was unity and permanence of his empire. He would have chosen paganism if he thought it would have achieved his goals, but he charged the various Christian sects to come up with a unified doctrine he could use to unify his empire because there had been so many hard fought civil wars threatening to destroy it and depose him. No one knows if Constantine was ever a true believer. More likely he was being pragmatic. So you got the Council of Nicea beginning in 325 C.E. (A.D.)

ROMAN TREATMENT: JEWS VERSUS CHRISTIANS:

The idea that Romans enslaved Jews and sacrificed Christians to the lions is kind of a ticky tack cherry picking of different narrow notions about history. Roman treatment of people was pretty consistent no matter what nationality or religion you belonged to. Be peaceful, keep things stable, produce for Rome, pay taxes, and you were left alone...relatively speaking. Fail to do those and you were inviting all the wrath of Rome.

Christians were persecuted because they put Christ above Caesar, resisted Rome, and were considered troublemakers. The idea that they were particularly brutalized comes because Nero used a then small sect as scapegoats for the great fire of 64 C.E. he probably had set and Christians were made a gruesome example of committing such an offense for Nero's purposes in ways a psychotic deviant like him favored. Relatively at the same time the Jewish historian Josephus says 1.1 million Jews were systematically murdered during the Palestine rebellions against Rome 66 to 73 C.E. and the surviving population was almost completely dispersed from their homeland.

You can decide which end is worse but outcomes were more a matter of what Rome thought was necessary and effective at the time. Crucifixion or feeding to animals was not particular to any religious group or culture. They were just typical Roman methods.

Cheers

 

[Lou Simone]

100% atheist

I dislike all religions equally but I agree with the right of people to practice whatever fairy tale they want as long as it is seperate from the state powers (which we are far from, it still has way too much influence, even in the western world, on politics, supreme courts and laws). I do believe tho that equality between women and men should come first and that religious organisation should not be taxe exempt.

 

[jeff teliska]

Very interesting thread...
I think Doc summed it well in post #38 and i do share his skepticism on a historical Jesus.
Nothing, and i mean absolutely nothing, has been written about Jesus while he was supposedly alive !
In the works of Jewish or Roman writers of that period, zero mention of Jesus. ( Please, those two sentences from Josephus are a joke, lol )
How could it be ?
Mithra might be the most logical explanation.

 

[C.B. Brown]

I believe in the here after
and i tell every woman i meet
you know what i am
here after

 

[maximus.dickus]

In a session with an SP, she cried out, “Oh God”, I answered by saying yes? What can I do for you, in French.

She then started giving me shit, this how some sessions can end badly