Coronavirus

[EagerBeaver]

Look at this, California surfer dude taking a break from quarantine at a closed beach to exercise/participate in one of 4 permitted water sports activities (surfing) ends up getting killed by a shark:

26-year-old surfer killed in California shark attack | CNN

A 26-year-old man was killed in a shark attack while surfing Saturday at a beach in Northern California, officials said.

www.cnn.com

You can't watch Netflix all day...........we all have to get exercise.

 

[EagerBeaver]

California Coronavirus "cluster" traced to birthday party:

A cluster of coronavirus cases in California was traced to a coughing patient at a birthday party | CNN

A birthday party was behind a cluster of coronavirus cases in Pasadena, California, according to health officials.

www.cnn.com

What's interesting is that a large birthday party in Westport (Fairfield County), Connecticut, for an adult, created a huge cluster of cases that spiked the infection count in Fairfield County in the initial stages of the pandemic. This is what happens when stay at home orders are not followed.

 

[donbusch]

California Coronavirus "cluster" traced to birthday party:

A cluster of coronavirus cases in California was traced to a coughing patient at a birthday party | CNN

A birthday party was behind a cluster of coronavirus cases in Pasadena, California, according to health officials.

www.cnn.com

What's interesting is that a large birthday party in Westport (Fairfield County), Connecticut, for an adult, created a huge cluster of cases that spiked the infection count in Fairfield County in the initial stages of the pandemic. This is what happens when stay at home orders are not followed.

Similar pattern in South Korea, whose recent winning streak was ended by one person causing at least 24 other infections at the nightclubs.

South Korea's Moon warns of COVID-19 second wave as cases rebound

South Korea warned of a second wave of the new coronavirus on Sunday as infections rebounded to a one-month high, just as the authorities were starting to ease some pandemic restrictions.

www.reuters.com

Seems some people are just very contagious. It’s unknown what causes certain people to become super spreaders but all that’s needed is one or two of these super spreaders to cause a new outbreak.

Why Are Some People So Much More Infectious Than Others? (Published 2020)

Solving the mystery of “superspreaders” could help control the coronavirus pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

 

[OnJustALark]

As a wise old and ugly former secretary of state once said...power is an aphrodisiac.

Funny ... thought you were going to say hiLIARy Bodycount Clinton

 

[sene5hos]

One of the few articles I have seen that attempts to quantify deaths from the lockdown (or whatever you want to call it).

As many as 75,000 could die from 'deaths of despair' as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. One expert says economic turmoil has always led to an increase in suicides.

"I think it's always important to think about suicide as individual vulnerabilities and context," Eric Caine said.

www.yahoo.com

As Hungry101 alluded to, there will also be Deaths of Delay, in addition to the Deaths of Despair, as the medical system rations preventive care (and even seemingly necessary care such as treating some tumors with drugs instead of a faster route to surgery), but you won’t see much quantification of that due to its use in potential lawsuits.

A true economic analysis would also involve years lost to the various scenarios, and even quality years lost, but that is a political hot potato, especially in an election year.

I agree with your comments so much.

Yes it is true this economic analysis will never be done. I think of the USA which with their 80,000 dead and their famous president who keeps saying that thanks to him and his team, they avoided the worst. Imagine all the lives lost because of all the collateral problems.

I have never seen before a president having any empathy, a president who has no humanity and that for him alone the economy counts, because he wants to be re-elected. The problem is that many Americans are sheep and who believe everything that their president says. Don't think he says it all for you, but no he doesn't care about you.
Today 47 states out of 50 begin their deconfinement.
Honestly I hope it works for all of these humans who live in the USA.

 

[OnJustALark]

How was Easter for white Obama Trudeau who invoked Jesus to gather the Canadian sheep to stay home while he created a carbon print to fly off to his family cabin in Quebec ... mask-less am sure ... and then with his detail of people ... how was the "cake" you got to eat ... you know Marie Antoinette

 

[malboro_man]

I know two people who got the bug...sounds pretty nasty....fever lasting for close to 2 weeks with atrocious coughing...didn't die but took 3 weeks to recover. The two are "relatively" young, one early 30s and another early 40s. Then, there is the stigma of getting the bug. The bug never really goes away. It stays within your body and re-activates if your immune system is weak.

 

[minutemenX]

The bug never really goes away. It stays within your body and re-activates if your immune system is weak.

This is quite a strong statement. I suggest you submit paper to Lancet ASAP. May qualify for Nobel

 

[malboro_man]

This is quite a strong statement. I suggest you submit paper to Lancet ASAP. May qualify for Nobel

There are many reports about people who got the bug and then get re-infected. A number of researchers suggest
the virus get re-activated. Look at the Bloomberg report:

Coronavirus May ‘Reactivate’ in Cured Patients, Korean CDC Says

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[cloudsurf]

Interesting how the reality deniers are downplaying the deaths as mostly the old and health compromised who were going to die soon anyway. As well as the 50% who are asymptomatic. The myth believers who consider covid19 to be fake news or a conspiracy by the evil left.
That is until they realize that 20% of those who catch covid19, end up in the hospital. They include young adults and kids who go through weeks of hell with high fever and other complications that may last a lifetime.
Me I`ve always been a risk taker and believe that life ain`t worth living if you are not living on the edge. I`m not afraid for myself but am concerned for the health of my kids and grand-kids.

 

[The Nature Boy]

There are many reports about people who got the bug and then get re-infected. A number of researchers suggest
the virus get re-activated. Look at the Bloomberg report:

Coronavirus May ‘Reactivate’ in Cured Patients, Korean CDC Says

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.bloomberg.com

Explainer: South Korean findings suggest 'reinfected' coronavirus cases are false positives

South Korean health authorities raised new concerns about the novel coronavirus after reporting last month that dozens of patients who had recovered from the illness later tested positive again.

www.reuters.com

It’s likely remnant viral nucleic acid getting picked up, N it’s not “a number of researchers suggesting”, it’s the South Korean CDC fucking wondering if reinfection is possible and now leaning on “no”

 

[jalimon]

to stay home while he created a carbon print to fly off to his family cabin in Quebec ...

His family cabin is at Lac Meech in Chelsea, Quebec. About 15km from the parliament. Actually since the renovation of 24 sussex this 'cabin' was often used by him and family as main residence (now they have move to a bungalow on Rideau hall). More carbon print was wasted by your non fact checking and pure non sense on this board.

 

[malboro_man]

Explainer: South Korean findings suggest 'reinfected' coronavirus cases are false positives

South Korean health authorities raised new concerns about the novel coronavirus after reporting last month that dozens of patients who had recovered from the illness later tested positive again.

www.reuters.com

It’s likely remnant viral nucleic acid getting picked up N it’s not “a number of researchers suggesting” it’s the South Korean CDC fucking wondering if reinfection is possible and now leaning on “no”

If that's the case, that's good. I was thinking of permanently social distancing those two people that I know who got the bug.

 

[minutemenX]

There are many reports about people who got the bug and then get re-infected. A number of researchers suggest
the virus get re-activated. Look at the Bloomberg report:

Coronavirus May ‘Reactivate’ in Cured Patients, Korean CDC Says

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.bloomberg.com

If you need medical help you go to a hospital not to a news agency. Having positive results for the virus does not mean that the person is re-infected and have a disease. We have a whole bunch of pathogens in our body but for the majority they will never be active. Take for example tuberculosis. In some countries more than 50% of population test positive on the presence of the pathogen but they will never get sick. I am far from medical field and biology, but it is not hard to find all this information in respectful sources.

 

[The Nature Boy]

His family cabin is at Lac Meech in Chelsea, Quebec. About 15km from the parliament. Actually since the renovation of 24 sussex this 'cabin' was often used by him and family as main residence (now they have move to a bungalow on Rideau hall). More carbon print was wasted by your non fact checking and pure non sense on this board.

It’s on both sides on the political fence

Ivanka Trump, Kushner skipped lockdown for Passover trip, White House confirms

White House says closed Trump golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey is considered to be family home; Washington, DC, where they reside, has a stay-at-home order

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[OnJustALark]

His family cabin is at Lac Meech in Chelsea, Quebec. About 15km from the parliament. ...

How many gas guzzling vehicles did you white Obama utilize with staff and escort (not the fun type we speak of on this fine board) to effectuate his travels AFTER he invoked Jesus Christ for you, and ALL of Canada to REMAIN HOME ... some, but not you of course, would call that hypocrisy ... and this done ALL DURING a National Canadian health emergency while perhaps even you were hunkered down and forgoing family functions even at this most Holy of catholic holidays ....

 

[sene5hos]

How was Easter for white Obama Trudeau who invoked Jesus to gather the Canadian sheep to stay home while he created a carbon print to fly off to his family cabin in Quebec ... mask-less am sure ... and then with his detail of people ... how was the "cake" you got to eat ... you know Marie Antoinette

His family cabin is at Lac Mech in Chelsea, Quebec. About 15km from the parliament. Actually since the renovation of 24 Sussex this 'cabin' was often used by him and family as main residence (now they have move to a bungalow on Rideau hall). More carbon print was wasted by your non fact checking and pure non sense on this board.

It’s on both sides on the political fence.

Et comme on dit en français, il faut se tourner la langue 7 fois dans la bouche avant de parler.
Ou cette citation, que j'aime bien: Vaux mieux que tu passes pour un imbécile, que de t'ouvrir la bouche pour le prouver.

 

[ShyMan]

We have a whole bunch of pathogens in our body but for the majority they will never be active.

True. As many things in life, the 80/20 "rule" seems to apply to the SARS-CoV-2 virus too -- 80% of people who are infected will self-resolve. The other 20% will need hospitalization, and of that 20% a fraction will become severely ill and some of those who become severely ill end up dying. At least, that's what I have come to understand from the scientific and medical experts. The question is no one really can predict who will become severely ill and who will die from Covid-19. For now, that's the scary unknown. There's no easy way out just yet.

For now, social distancing might be a small price to pay, compared to the "police state" tactics that some countries have deployed to curb the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

South Korea’s Early Coronavirus Wins Dim After Rash of New Cases

South Korea, which largely succeeded in quelling the initial spread of the coronavirus, is back on the defensive, with Seoul’s bars and clubs ordered closed, as the country reported its biggest one-day increase in new infections in a month.

www.wsj.com

"SEOUL—South Korea, which largely succeeded in quelling the spread of the coronavirus, is back on the defensive, with Seoul’s bars and clubs ordered closed, as the country reported its biggest one-day increase in new infections in a month.

More than 50 cases have been linked to a 29-year-old man who, in a single night last weekend, visited five clubs and bars in a popular Seoul neighborhood, health officials said. He tested positive on Wednesday—the same day the South Korean government rolled out relaxed social-distancing measures."
. . . .

"When the 29-year-old man’s case was made public, South Korean media reported the establishments he visited were some of Seoul’s most popular gay clubs, which could explain why some clubbers provided inaccurate contact information."
. . . . .

"Health officials, poring over security-camera footage and credit-card statements, have expanded their investigation to more than 5,000 individuals. Some of the clubbers have infected family members. "
. . . .

"South Korea’s contact-tracing allowed investigators to pinpoint the 29-year-old man’s whereabouts from the evening of May 1 until the early hours of the following day. A report published on the local district’s website provided his travel details, the company he works for and other sensitive information.

While authorities didn’t release the man’s name, some people believe his identity could be determined from the information they did disclose. "

 

[fromtheoutside]

That is until they realize that 20% of those who catch covid19, end up in the hospital.

I assume the intent of this is to elicit concern and fear. The most recent data I've seen suggests 16% are hospitalized here in Canada. Of those, only 23% were admitted to ICU and of those, only 5% required ventilators. So what were the other hospitalized cases? Admitted overnight? For a few hours? Either way, they make it into the stats for hospitalization. All out of an abundance of caution that they may have never required before and hence the percentages look high? I don't actually know that answer, by the way, but no one else here does either until they release more detailed info. As a result, some just choose to question / debate / challenge, the current approach and variety of stats and articles that are posted , and for that they are myth propagators, deniers and sociopaths.

 

[cloudsurf]

The difference between your 16% and my 20% is that people recover from covid and are then admitted to hospital for complications. Plus those who die in nursing homes and at home. Elicit concern yes . Elicit fear no fuckin way....there is too much fear in some sectors of the population as is.