Ask us anything part 3

[Fradi]

On the topic of duos, I know the norm with indys is to match the higher rate but since some have a differential in play options/rates as well as social rates, I've been finding that asking each individually if they're cool with the other in a duo and then adding them both to an email and saying "$X is what I have set aside for this night, here's a couple things I would be open to, and I'd like to play for at least Y hours, can we make this work?" and letting them come to an agreement seems to be working out for me, but is it the wrong way to go about it?

I think most would be kind of insulted by it. and I would tend to agree with them. Although there has been a trend to offer specials in duos by various ladies doing exactly that coming to a mid point price arrangement for both.

I wouldn’t mind booking one of their duo specials seeing as they are making the offer but trying to negotiate one when it isn’t offered no I would never do that.
I accept that if I am going to book a duo the higher priced ladies rate will apply to both, to me that is fair and the right thing to do and any gentleman should be prepared to accept that. It would be improper and demeaning to pay one of them less in a duo and I don’t negotiate with SP I can either afford to pay what they ask or not.

 

[LeDodo]

On the topic of duos, I know the norm with indys is to match the higher rate but since some have a differential in play options/rates as well as social rates, I've been finding that asking each individually if they're cool with the other in a duo and then adding them both to an email and saying "$X is what I have set aside for this night, here's a couple things I would be open to, and I'd like to play for at least Y hours, can we make this work?" and letting them come to an agreement seems to be working out for me, but is it the wrong way to go about it?

I've been wondering about the logistics of more than 2 ...

 

[Fradi]

What do you think we'd have to gain from lying about something like this? There are users I really don't like here lol but it wouldn't serve me, other SP and other clients to lie about them doing something to me if I've never even seen them.

With the tit for tat all out cat fights recently between providers and the often bad blood fights between Merbites themselves logic and common sense does not always prevail.
Nothing surprises me anymore in this industry or the people involved in it.
This is not a personal thing, I agree with you that you would never do this, nothing about you or the way you answer things would suggest that.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

On the topic of duos, I know the norm with indys is to match the higher rate but since some have a differential in play options/rates as well as social rates, I've been finding that asking each individually if they're cool with the other in a duo and then adding them both to an email and saying "$X is what I have set aside for this night, here's a couple things I would be open to, and I'd like to play for at least Y hours, can we make this work?" and letting them come to an agreement seems to be working out for me, but is it the wrong way to go about it?

I've seen people do this before. some of us are okay with it, some are not. I've often had clients refuse to match my donation to my duo partner, and I accepted it because I didn't want to lose the opportunity to do a duo since I really enjoy them.. but it's really ideal to match the rates. you are also mentioning different options. Once, I had a duo with a provider who had a PSE option. I assume the client saw that because he treated her very differently from me, he matched our rates (her GFE rate was higher than mine) but he did not pay for PSE.. He was a lot more rowdy with her and it made me really uncomfortable. I think it's important to discuss everything with both duo partners.

 

[Rebaynia]

In the spirit of duo conversations.

Rather than hear about how pricy it can be. My partners and I know what our shared prices are. For either GFE or PSE. But curious, what your idea of reasonable prices are. (Not lowest low bottom barrel price, but reasonable.)

FS-
GFE-
PSE-

Do you see it as a bonus or discount if it is less than the double of the higher earner?

I am also curious if agencies have duo rates?

Call it market research.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

With the tit for tat all out cat fights recently between providers and the often bad blood fights between Merbites themselves logic and common sense does not always prevail.
Nothing surprises me anymore in this industry or the people involved in it.
This is not a personal thing, I agree with you that you would never do this, nothing about you or the way you answer things would suggest that.

Thank you for recognizing this. I am going to put this out there. If someone goes after a friend of mine or myself, I will defend myself or the friend in question, but I would never try to sabotage this person's business, publish slander about them online or gossip about them with clients.

Also, I will be real. There are Merb users I really dislike because I find they lack empathy and are cruel, but I am not going to make up something false about them just to be vindictive. I would say that's the same thing with most providers I know, we all have people we don't like online, but if we haven't seen them in person and they haven't treated us with disrespect in person or during a booking process, it actually hurts everyone to invent something about them. The thing is, I have said it, there has been Merb users who have done disrespectful things to me. I am not about to go on a crusade against them because I don't have the energy for it, but if how some clients who publish reviews here were exposed for how they treat certain providers, their reviews would not be seen the same way.

 

[Fradi]

In the spirit of duo conversations.

Rather than hear about how pricy it can be. My partners and I know what our shared prices are. For either GFE or PSE. But curious, what your idea of reasonable prices are. (Not lowest low bottom barrel price, but reasonable.)

FS-
GFE-
PSE-

Do you see it as a bonus or discount if it is less than the double of the higher earner?

Call it market research.

I will not differentiate between the 3 things as I kind of let things happen as it develops with GFE being the usual request l also don’t like a menu but if DFK or at the least LFK and BB Blow Job is not included then it is a non starter.
I think a 90 minute ( 1 hour is way too short ) duo with 2 well reviewed and gorgeous SP costing anywhere from $1000-$1500 is fair and something I would consider and have done.
I don’t really care what the ladies agree to I always assume it will be double the rate of the more expensive lady if their rates are not the same. This to me is the right thing to do unless they themselves are advertising a special.

 

[jeffmathers]

Thank you for recognizing this. I am going to put this out there. If someone goes after a friend of mine or myself, I will defend myself or the friend in question, but I would never try to sabotage this person's business, publish slander about them online or gossip about them with clients.

There are Merb users I really dislike because I don't like their attitude, but I am not going to make up something false about them just to be vindictive. I would say that's the same thing with most providers I know, we all have people we don't like online, but if we haven't seen them in person and they haven't treated us with disrespect in person or during a booking process, it actually hurts everyone to invent something about them. The thing is, I have said it, there has been Merb users who have done disrespectful things to me. I am not about to go on a crusade against them because I don't have the energy for it, but if how some clients who publish reviews here were exposed for how they treat certain providers, their reviews would not be seen the same way.

I wish there was a punishment for the merbites who physically hurt providers and cross boundaries. They just post and spread their opinions without a care in the world.

 

[Fradi]

I wish there was a punishment for the merbites who physically hurt providers and cross boundaries. They just post and spread their opinions without a care in the world.

This makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree whole heartedly that anybody hurting any woman physically or crossing their boundaries should be punished SP or civilian.

Just how exactly do opinions do that ( pretty hard to harm someone physically with an opinion). Everybody has one and is entitled to one there is no prerequisite to agree with it. Some may just consider yours harmful lol.

 

[philonius]

I think most would be kind of insulted by it. and I would tend to agree with them. Although there has been a trend to offer specials in duos by various ladies doing exactly that coming to a mid point price arrangement for both.

I wouldn’t mind booking one of their duo specials seeing as they are making the offer but trying to negotiate one when it isn’t offered no I would never do that.
I accept that if I am going to book a duo the higher priced ladies rate will apply to both, to me that is fair and the right thing to do and any gentleman should be prepared to accept that. It would be improper and demeaning to pay one of them less in a duo and I don’t negotiate with SP I can either afford to pay what they ask or not.

To clarify: I'm not negotiating rates at all in this situation. I say "this is what I'm comfortable spending (ideally with these couple ideas in mind), what can we do with this?" and the amount total is greater than the sum of the highest rate x 2 so it's they don't generally have to come down on anything, but rather how we spend our time, and who gets what $ (if I'm gonna spend more time with one vs the other), is the only thing they have to decide.

As an example, in one scenario they both agreed to spend equal time all three of us together, some social and some play, and they split the total evenly (in line with the most expensive sp rates). In another scenario, one wanted to do dinner beforehand and the other was going to meet us at the hotel afterwards, so the breakdown was $X for one, $Y(less) for the other.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

This makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree whole heartedly that anybody hurting any woman physically or crossing their boundaries should be punished SP or civilian.

Just how exactly do opinions do that ( pretty hard to harm someone physically with an opinion). Everybody has one and is entitled to one there is no prerequisite to agree with it. Some may just consider yours harmful lol.

There are people who harm people in various ways whether or not they are conscious of it, one of them being slander and insults which can be considered ''opinions'' and in certain spaces these comments can actually have repercussions in other's real lives. Hateful people's opinions do have negative consequences. I've seen people here say that if they get a bad service from a provider they should be able to take the money back or not pay. If a bunch of people start saying that, some will feel emboldened by it and actually steal from providers. Do you see what I mean? That's just an example. Bad reviews as well. They can actually have a really negative impact on someone's life.

I'm not talking about someone saying ''I prefer women with big boobs'' lol obviously that is upsetting for us who have small breasts but it's a personal preference and quite neutral.

 

[philonius]

I've seen people do this before. some of us are okay with it, some are not. I've often had clients refuse to match my donation to my duo partner, and I accepted it because I didn't want to lose the opportunity to do a duo since I really enjoy them.. but it's really ideal to match the rates. you are also mentioning different options. Once, I had a duo with a provider who had a PSE option. I assume the client saw that because he treated her very differently from me, he matched our rates (her GFE rate was higher than mine) but he did not pay for PSE.. He was a lot more rowdy with her and it made me really uncomfortable. I think it's important to discuss everything with both duo partners.

100%. Again, I'm not trying to pay less than the top rate x 2 but rather letting them decide how to spend $X total at their discretion, rather then me planning it all out individually and just telling them what were doing and when.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

To clarify: I'm not negotiating rates at all in this situation. I say "this is what I'm comfortable spending (ideally with these couple ideas in mind), what can we do with this?" and the amount total is greater than the sum of the highest rate x 2 so it's they don't generally have to come down on anything, but rather how we spend our time, and who gets what $ (if I'm gonna spend more time with one vs the other), is the only thing they have to decide.

As an example, in one scenario they both agreed to spend equal time all three of us together, some social and some play, and they split the total evenly (in line with the most expensive sp rates). In another scenario, one wanted to do dinner beforehand and the other was going to meet us at the hotel afterwards, so the breakdown was $X for one, $Y(less) for the other.

I understood that you aren't negotiating rates, you have a budget. I think honestly what you're asking for is reasonable.. but that's just my opinion. I'm sure some providers wouldn't be ok with it but I would be

 

[philonius]

I understood that you aren't negotiating rates, you have a budget. I think honestly what you're asking for is reasonable.. but that's just my opinion. I'm sure some providers wouldn't be ok with it but I would be

I can understand that stance too. I've just been having better luck with them planning and organizing the night bc that way they can discuss it amongst themselves and be on the same page with everything, rather than be telling them what we're doing. Plus, I feel like they're going to be a better judge of a good night out since I don't live in MTL and am taking a guess on restaurants/activities/etc and the time it takes to get between them. I think I'm ok bc I don't do duos with people I haven't already met in the past so we are usually quite familiar with each other and if there was something up with it we could discuss it.

 

[Fradi]

There are people who harm people in various ways whether or not they are conscious of it, one of them being slander and insults which can be considered ''opinions'' and in certain spaces these comments can actually have repercussions in other's real lives. Hateful people's opinions do have negative consequences. I've seen people here say that if they get a bad service from a provider they should be able to take the money back or not pay. If a bunch of people start saying that, some will feel emboldened by it and actually steal from providers. That's just an example. I'm not talking about someone saying ''I prefer women with big boobs'' lol obviously that is upsetting for us who have small breasts but it's a personal preference and quite neutral.

That is a huge slippery slope to go down and for anybody to determine to be the judge. We all have opinions.
I believe we have moderators for that to determine when it is over the line.
Why merbites take it upon themselves to continually provide unrequested rim jobs so to speak I don’t know.
It certainly won’t get them free service lol.

Let me ask you this then If you buy something in a store and it falls apart the next day or ends up being a piece of crap, would you want your money back.?
I am in no way defending a vindictive or scumbag reviewer I am sure there have been and will be many but you cannot apply blanket thinking either and say that all negative reviews fall into this category.

 

[jeffmathers]

This makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree whole heartedly that anybody hurting any woman physically or crossing their boundaries should be punished SP or civilian.

Just how exactly do opinions do that ( pretty hard to harm someone physically with an opinion). Everybody has one and is entitled to one there is no prerequisite to agree with it. Some may just consider yours harmful lol.

I wasn't even talking about you but you sound like you took that personally. I haven't heard anything about you having physically hurting people.

"This makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree whole heartedly that anybody hurting any woman physically or crossing their boundaries should be punished SP or civilian.

Just how exactly do opinions do that ( pretty hard to harm someone physically with an opinion)."

If you don't understand I don't think there's any explanation that would help you understand. Providers come here because it's good for business. It's a detriment to them that they have to interact with people that have physically harmed them and I don't want to go into more detail. Didn't expect you to think I was talking about you since I haven't heard of you physically hurting anyone.

 

[jeffmathers]

There are people who harm people in various ways whether or not they are conscious of it, one of them being slander and insults which can be considered ''opinions'' and in certain spaces these comments can actually have repercussions in other's real lives. Hateful people's opinions do have negative consequences. I've seen people here say that if they get a bad service from a provider they should be able to take the money back or not pay. If a bunch of people start saying that, some will feel emboldened by it and actually steal from providers. Do you see what I mean? That's just an example. Bad reviews as well. They can actually have a really negative impact on someone's life.

I'm not talking about someone saying ''I prefer women with big boobs'' lol obviously that is upsetting for us who have small breasts but it's a personal preference and quite neutral.

I don't think there's any explanation that would help someone understand if they don't understand already.

 

[Fradi]

I wasn't even talking about you but you sound like you took that personally. I haven't heard anything about you having physically hurting people.

"This makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree whole heartedly that anybody hurting any woman physically or crossing their boundaries should be punished SP or civilian.

Just how exactly do opinions do that ( pretty hard to harm someone physically with an opinion)."

If you don't understand I don't think there's any explanation that would help you understand. Providers come here because it's good for business. It's a detriment to them that they have to interact with people that have physically harmed them and I don't want to go into more detail. Didn't expect you to think I was talking about you since I haven't heard of you physically hurting anyone.

Nah I knew you weren’t talking about me and even if you were I don’t wear shoes that don’t fit me.
I am quite comfortable with who I am I don’t need other people’s approval.

You never seem to have a thought of your own all you do is White Knight in every post you make lol.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

That is a huge slippery slope to go down and for anybody to determine to be the judge. We all have opinions.
I believe we have moderators for that to determine when it is over the line.
Why merbites take it upon themselves to continually provide unrequested rim jobs so to speak I don’t know.
It certainly won’t get them free service lol.

Let me ask you this then If you buy something in a store and it falls apart the next day or ends up being a piece of crap, would you want your money back.?
I am in no way defending a vindictive or scumbag reviewer I am sure there have been and will be many but you cannot apply blanket thinking either and say that all negative reviews fall into this category.

I don't think all negative reviews fall into this category at all. If a girl was a scammer or fails to provide the service she says she would in the ad, I understand why a client will say that in a review. If a girl is using fake photos obviously it will be mentioned in a review....

However you know just like I do that there are people who post reviews that are derogatory and insulting. Moderators will only delete comments if they are reported.

... Also do you seriously think it's ok to fuck an escort and then refuse to give the money or take it back by force?

 

[jeffmathers]

I don't think all negative reviews fall into this category at all. If a girl was a scammer or fails to provide the service she says she would in the ad, I understand why a client will say that in a review. If a girl is using fake photos obviously it will be mentioned in a review....

However you know just like I do that there are people who post reviews that are derogatory and insulting. Moderators will only delete comments if they are reported.

... Also do you seriously think it's ok to fuck an escort and then refuse to give the money or take it back by force?

It's a waste of time to try to convince Fradi of anything. It's great you have optimism. It's true Fradi doesn't say things as awful as some users but there's no convincing possible here. Look who agrees with him.

This all started because I mentioned the lack of punishment for people who physically hurt providers and cross boundaries. Fradi can't change his mind because that would make him a White Knight.